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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:15:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:It really depends on what your ranking them on.
Right now I would rank Synergy over SI because Synergy is starting to field some solid tanks and they by far have some of the best gun game players in the game. Only thing that would drop them below SI is they are so close to that number mark on players. Synergy is doing some secret improving so I think they could be one of the ones to watch out for because they have the ability to draw in other skilled players. Just look at there win/loss and K/D together both are decently high.
SI would come next they have great players al around but they do not compete with synergy's ground game. all SI has is Tanks and Rankrancid hiding with his thale.
After that PFB Amazing people lack the numbers though. I think personally they can compete with SI Slap is a great tanker. And I have seen a few people that run solid ground game from them.
then Zion based on numbers they will never be one of the best but they will have numbers to through out there when needed there quantity will let them pull out some amazing players here and there but I feel they will loose them also to corps that are more competitive.
LOTIS might be a up and coming corp can not say have not delt with them enough but They have people with solid gun game and some decent heavies. Along with a tanker if I remember right.
I just want to put that Zion is competitive in every aspect of this game, it's just this is a BETA, and being competitive in a BETA seems a bit... preemptive?
Don't count Zion out of being a tough nut yet ;) |
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:14:00 -
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It's honestly hard to judge the imperfects. Zitro twins and Reg are beasts, more so then most, but when you see a squad of imperfects and neither of those 3 are in it, then all you have to do is see if they pull out a tank, if they don't, then they're as squishy as anyone else. But even then, their worst members are easily any other corps best.
Si on the other hand, even without a tank they run so perfectly together that 8 out of 10 games you'll see a flock of blue berries following them. STB and SyN get the same treatment from blue berries.
ROFL may as well be dead, so who cares. If they need to pull from several corps to field a team then they'll be struggling with a lot more then just skill. ROFL needs to set up a base of players they expect to be competitive and actually go through with makin' it into a real corp, possibly the idol head of there "Alliance." Which is what I believe they did do, but they didn't stick with it.
Trit - I like these guys. If you ever were to have a good game where a line was drawn and the only thing crossing that line was bullets, it against these guys. Not as tight as other corps, they make up for it with excellent solo players who compliment others who are trying to use team work. There leadership is both effective and influential.
Betamax - You see them from time to time, almost never in full squads. I've never seen them dominate more then a few games, usually in vehicle. They may of once been good, but it's hard to tell now, seems a lot of there best aren't as active. Still, you see there name in game and know that one side has an edge with them there.
L.O.T.I.S - Up and coming indeed. What a punch these guys pack lol. Not nearly at the top 5 corp strength, they're climbing fast. Careful of there pilots, they take cue from PFB and use speed tanks that a full squad of proto forges can't touch. They're well organized and there leadership seems strong.
PFB - Another great group of guys, gun game is as good as any other corp, but there vehicle game is especially sinister. They're probably the best when it comes to vehicle to vehicle warfare. There leadership is capable, but organization may be in the lack.
Zion is hard not to be biased towards, but I have my reservations. Out of any corp we field the most heavies and logi's, which makes for excellent pub stomp squads. Zions lack of vehicles has crippled there standings in corp battles, as such we get looked down upon, which is understandable. If you're looking for a quick squad with excellent gun game Zion's public channel openly accepts anyone into there squads as if they were Zion themselves. Zion has a "good guy" reputation, earned from Shad and his subordinates. But we'll see how long that image lasts :)
And STB - They take a lot of crap from the top corps, and I'm not sure why. QG, when I squaded with him, impressed the hell out of me with his SL skills. Showed me there's a lot more to being a squad leader then giving out orders, objectives, and destinations. The other members of STB constantly show excellent gun game and coordination, and with QG at the helms I've no doubt they'll be spearheading many a battle.
There's a lot to say about every corp that makes them different. It's not a stretch to say Imperfects are easily the best, but it would be a long stretch to say they're the best by a mile. Many corps have several players worthy of mention, many of which never use these forums. So far I'm impressed with the beta communities corps and can't wait to see what it's like in open beta :) |
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:18:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:SI got beatdown by Zion I heard... I like you, you made me chuckle. Interesting zion dont turn up to corp battles against them. Not sure when we got beat down by them. Maybe I wasnt online at the time and missed it? Wait I'm always online..
Don't turn up to corp battles? When did we not show up? You fell for an obvious troll. :P |
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:42:00 -
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Thanks for the fill in, Jaiden. Most of my statistics are my own that I've seen on the battlefield, look forward to seeing you guys grow. And had no idea about your relation with PFB, very interesting ^_^
And Free beers - I like you too, man, but I'm not someone you'll easily over-look on the battlefield. Though lately I've been enjoying LAV crushing and kamakazing into every tank I see. I WILL JUMP ON YOU, FEAR ME. In other words, yes, I am as good or better then your average imperfect. Enjoy running your superior proto assault suits, price reduction on proto heavy will help a lot of people dedicated to heavies like I am shine.
And I really should of added you to that trio of beasts Free Beers. You seem to be above average no matter what gun you hold in your hand, which takes a lot more skills to be versatile then it is to be pro with one weapon. |
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:44:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:SI got beatdown by Zion I heard... I like you, you made me chuckle. Interesting zion dont turn up to corp battles against them. Not sure when we got beat down by them. Maybe I wasnt online at the time and missed it? Wait I'm always online.. Don't turn up to corp battles? When did we not show up? You fell for an obvious troll. :P So the 2 mil was a gift ? Hmm ok thanks then I guess...I got team killed 7 times in that game waiting for your lot to show up. Then zion said they were short on cash.
Did that happen? You guys made a match with us when we had no ISK? You either jumped the gun on challenging us without knowing our situation, or Zion made a mistake.
Either way, it's all good. You guys wipe us clean ^_^ |
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:53:00 -
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Third post in a row - ew, but I hate clutter in posts.
My opinions are in no way a reflection of my corporation. I have nothing but absolute respect for every corp mentioned in this thread and every single one of there members ability to play. I tried to keep positive in my opinionated post and give both positive and negative feed-back, but in doing so I realized most my feed-back was positive. It's a reflection of how well organized DUST already is by it's loyal player base.
Regardless of skill, whose better then who, who can do more then who, or who can do things faster, it's been enjoyable posting on these forums, playing games, and discussing and tweaking this game with you all.
May the good times role, and every corp mentioned here find success in there own way. |
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:56:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Third post in a row - ew, but I hate clutter in posts.
My opinions are in no way a reflection of my corporation. I have nothing but absolute respect for every corp mentioned in this thread and every single one of there members ability to play. I tried to keep positive in my opinionated post and give both positive and negative feed-back, but in doing so I realized most my feed-back was positive. It's a reflection of how well organized DUST already is by it's loyal player base.
Regardless of skill, whose better then who, who can do more then who, or who can do things faster, it's been enjoyable posting on these forums, playing games, and discussing and tweaking this game with you all.
May the good times role, and every corp mentioned here find success in there own way. Did I just hear you say your as good as our average player. :/ SoTa I am our average ground pounder yet I hold a close to a 4.0 k/d Ground pounding. In Type 2 suit and Advanced assault riffles. Not a single support skill for my assault riffles(range/Weapon damage/reload speed. etc.). No proto gear in my build. It is mostly militia with some advanced shield extenders. Yet I know I wipe the floor with you. My specialty is vehicles. AKA I am one of our main dropship pilot and I run a very solid sagaris also. Do not tell me you are as good as our average player. Yes zion has a few people that have good gun game but do not compare yourself to them because you never impressed me. There is also a reason why some of us rank synergy and PFB above both zion and SI we played them in the corp battles. PFB made up most of ROFLs players for the corp battles. And synergy where they where lacking in the corp battles they have changed and now support some very nice tanks. Which I personlly think puts them above SI now because synergy also has players with amazing ground game. ROFL gave us one of the funnest challenges in the tourny.
Funny, you seem to go down as fast as anyone else. Guess I must be miss reading your name. Keep up the good work. lol :)
And incase you hadn't noticed, I ranked most those corps above Zion too. I consider us the weakest of the strong corps, but not because of gun game.
But thx for your opinion, glad to know someone in imperfects is making sure to remember me on the field so they can talk about it here. |
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:41:00 -
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Kasshern s Chrome wrote:Free Beers wrote:I like you sota but imperfects are more then 3 people and no your not as good as our 'avg' imperfect. So other players we have that you didn't list include Axl, Cyn, Ima_leet, Telc, ludwig, Alm1gty, bendtner, Gslick, Venery, thereaper, wicked, protoman, enigma, alldin, skytt, beserk. There are more i could list like Adski who runs a 6+ kdr on NA servers as a UK player. Not to mention we have the best HMG/forges in the game. Ever get sniped by sleepy or swufy? Our vehicles are scrubs but i WOULDN'T trade (except Noc he is scruber) them for another corps. We have lots of players that spec'd into different things for the tournament in case we needed it. I have almost 2 mill of my 6 mill sp into logi bro not to mention hacking/scanner/etc. Judging us by public play is a mistake because is just sp/isk farming for us. If you think corp battles are going to get any eaiser when it gets to 16/24/32 per side you are sadly mistaken.
PS I wasn't listing our entire corp here and what they spec'd into for the tournament but there are a lot of player the choose suits/weapons based upon the possiblity of need not what they are already good at.
To add to the discussion I would put PFB and SyN at 2 also because having played them in tourny we know first hand individual skills and tatics. They are both complete teams.
SI Is a good corp but they were dependent a lot of vehicles and lacked a bit of gun game. Something they are woking on now to their credit. On US servers SI would be equal to PFB and SyN.
STB have some individual skilled players but again us in corp battle they used the same pub-stomp-tank-spam they do in pubs. I have played with and against STB players and their skill should translate better to corp battles and it hasn't.
Tritan has a good based but heavies and some vehicles aren't all you need. I expect them improve.
I think the WTF guys have the best gun game in EU but lack in other parts.
Zion TCD I dont know what to think. I know there are some top players there and i have played with them but there is a big fall off once you get past that. Yes they lack vehicles too. The continue to do corp battles which is only way a corp can improve.
I could probably go on and on but am tired of typing it out. I do think there are some really go small 10 man groups in dust right now I hope ccp doesn't try to MAG out dust and make as big as battles as possible. if we do 16/24 I would be happy that way smaller corps can exist. Realistically if you have to fill a 32 man team you will need 100 poeple in your corp to be active daily.
If corps don't do corp battles then they shouldn't be rated at all. Pub stomp corps are worthless in dust in the long term i agree with beers sota IMP has more than just three faces, and for you to assume that is ill thought my good sir, if three people won that tourney by themselves then i quit straight up... dont assume that cause you see a core group of players from a clan that there arent any hidden gems or diffferent timezone things going on.
I would ask you to re-read what I wrote in regards to imperfects. I singled out 3 for being 'beasts' then said that even there worst players are equal or better then other corps best. |
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