Putting skills on militia tanks won't be necessary.

They're much more expensive

All I had to read was "No militia AV" to know I don't support this thread. Somebody isn't happy with 20/0

There's no good reason - none at all - for this to happen.

Removing the only Militia AV option is a terrible idea.

There NEEDS to be some form of Militia-level counter to EVERY playstyle. Swarms are the ONLY option you have for AV at Militia level. And Militia Swarms are TERRIBLE compared to almost every other AV option out there.

A team will likely have several people who Spec into AV or at least have a backup fit for it. The nubs will only need to rely on them.

Too some extent I agree. Anyone can jump in a free starter fit and do the nearly the same dmg as someone who has specialized in it (talking about swarm launchers). The difference between starter and specialized isn't that much. I partly blame the swarm launcher skill not directly effecting performance so there isnt much to balance between the starter and a pro. I would expect the militia swarm to suck, but for someone that has the specialized sp, it would suck a little less.

I guess I'd like the swarm to be reduced by a certain amount, which could then be replaced by a skill dmg boost such that someone with the skill 5 would see no difference.

in eve all you start off with is a small ship the worst gun and mining laser you then have to earn new skills so you can buy new ships and weapons you get some ships from the training missions after that you're on your own. in dust you start off with access to most the different types of weapons so you can pick which ones you like at the start. If I was new to the game I would be happy with a assault rifle and a pistol with training missions that you say get 50 sniper rifle or AT guns for doing after that you are on you own

instead i would simply support a militia forgegun. Same damage as a standard forgegun but with only 2 rounds in a clip like the swarm launcher does. Or maybe longer charge up time or whatever. After all we have militia heavys and i think there should be a militia variant from all weapons to give newbies a impression what they can try out and what suits them the most.

in eve all you start off with is a small ship the worst gun and mining laser you then have to earn new skills so you can buy new ships and weapons you get some ships from the training missions after that you're on your own. in dust you start off with access to most the different types of weapons so you can pick which ones you like at the start. If I was new to the game I would be happy with a assault rifle and a pistol with training missions that you say get 50 sniper rifle or AT guns for doing after that you are on you own

Should just remove all the starter fits 'cept Triage, make people actually pay cash for what they're using.
It's unfair that someone can solo with a Militia Swarm Launcher and a nanohive very easily (Done it, come at me.)
The issue is free **** like the Swarm Launcher and LAV are better than what they should be, You can easily go off 15/0 scrubbing it up in a LAV running people over, I've seen it. And militia swarms can very easily keep a vehicle on the run and majority of the time, destroy them.

You think, A Militia Swarm should be balanced against Militia Tanks. These Swarms will **** up any Militia vehicle driver instantly. It's not "But it's meant to be like that", You can have Infantry Support, you can be running in a squad but if you don't see the guy on the mountain in the distance and he gets those volleys off, PCE TANK.

EVE is a very unique space MMORPG, it's not an FPS and it's certainly not comparable in any way with any existing FPS. Trying to make an FPS fit the mould of EVE will be a disaster. Not to mention the training missions in EVE are insufficient at best for preparing players for New Eden and the learning curve is so steep as to be laughable. EVE is a success in spite of that steep initial learning curve, not because of it. Nobody has stuck around EVE because the 'training missions and getting raped was awesome'

There are certain expectations with an AAA FPS game, having a fighting chance is one of the core ones. Your logic seems to be: "You're new so we get to kick you around with armoured vehicles until you've earned the right to be able to fight us with even the remotest chance of taking us down)." The more I read on General the more I think people somehow want this game to fail.

Go read the Feedback/Request forums and you'll get an idea of what actual new players think. The unsullied I call them. General is full of bitter-vets complaining "X piece of equipment kills me too fast, nerf it and make my Y piece of equipment uber please CCP before I rage-quit"