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Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:30:00 -
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Corvus Ravensong wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:hahaha You petition in EVE when the server takes a **** or you loose a ship for doing something stupid?..
Just buy more you space poor hobo. Yea, but in EVE they reimburse your ship if you loss it on PVE because of disconnection. No, they don't. If the server crashes, and your petition lands in front of a GM that feels sorry for you, you MIGHT get your ship back, maybe. More often, you'll be reminded that you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose. Edit: It's also CCP policy to NEVER re-imburse pvp losses, and last time I checked Dust doesn't have a PvE experience yet, your argument is both an invalid comparison, and patently false.
If the "ship" wasn't lost, why do I still lose ISK? I can afford to, but the test just highlighted again that it is unnecessarily frustrating to automatically lose my assets when the situation doesn't even warrant it. If a tank costs a dollar and I lose it to a disconnect with 10s left at full health in a match, don't you think "don't use what you can't afford to lose" is going to **** off the customer? That is artificially making it "hardcore". |
Sir Petersen
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:30:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:I'm a tank scrub. D/C loses the tank even if it survives. That needs addressed since it's grossly unfair to automatically lose something that wasn't even in danger.
You are beta testing this game. Have you not figured this out yet? What-¦s going on here??  |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:38:00 -
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I'd just like to mention here, that I made around $2M from the few games I played with free suits.
More often than not, people weren't using stupidly expensive suits/vehicles since... ya know... it's a stress test. Who's good and who's just rich really became evident for a little while today.
Either way, if you can't afford to lose a tank, perhaps you ought to call in a different one? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:39:00 -
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This has to be addressed eventually. It won't fly to lose real $$ when it is CCP's fault and shrug it off as HTFU. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:49:00 -
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What is the "H" in HTFU anyway?
I think I've got the rest figured out. = D |
Sir Petersen
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:57:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:This has to be addressed eventually. It won't fly to lose real $$ when it is CCP's fault and shrug it off as HTFU.
Fly to lose? You will lose everything anyway when this beta testing is over so what are you on about?
Again. What is it that you don-¦t understand about us beta testing this game?
Tell me kid. How old are you? |
DankTurtle Rachmaninoff
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
6
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Posted - 2012.12.02 09:49:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote: Noc's always been broke this build. I've given him a good 30-50 mil myself to fund his vehicle addiction. He's really got a problem.
May have negatively contributed to this addiction =/ |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.12.02 10:34:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:This has to be addressed eventually. It won't fly to lose real $$ when it is CCP's fault and shrug it off as HTFU. Fly to lose? You will lose everything anyway when this beta testing is over so what are you on about? Again. What is it that you don-¦t understand about us beta testing this game? Tell me kid. How old are you?
This has been an issue every single build. You are the one not understanding what a beta is about. Issue pointed out, resolution required. I don't give 2 iotas about beta ISK.
Who are you again? Talk a big game for someone with no presence in game or out. |
Jonquill Caronite
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.12.02 10:59:00 -
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No I'm sorry Noc is definitely right that this needs to EVENTUALLY be resolved. I'm not saying for the sake of this testing event he should be re-imbursed, but by release they need a system where you don't lose assets that weren't ACTUALLY destroyed when disconnected, and D/C needs to be radically reduced and almost always a user-end problem before launch.
I think what the majority of the ignorant dumb-fucks in this room seem to be forgetting is that the point of a BETA is to lobby valid complaints, instead they try to meta-game every inconvenience to the 'Harsh reality of New Eden' like glitches and poor software engineering are an intended aspect of the game? That's real ignorance there. Until the game is running purely as intended, meaning losses are ALL due to actual literal in game mechanics, all complaints against points that are not part of the in-game mechanics are valid.
Any ignorant ass-hole who rationalizes and criticizes someone for putting forward and lobbying a legitimate complaint on a BETA forum where your supposed to talk about these sorts of issues for a broken or glitched mechanic, doesn't honestly deserve the time of day as a BETA tester.
My theory? A lot of you are butt hurt because the complaint comes from a player who has logged more hours, and has more SP to forward into super expensive tanks then you do, and you think broken game mechanics are the only way for you to get your one up... If you think that its sad that he's complaining in spite of being near the top of many of the boards, think about how much more sad it make you for complaining that he has no right to complain because of his relative success, and that the broken game mechanics HELP bring him down to your pathetic scrub level.
Crap this sort of **** pisses me off... Good day. |
Deskalkulos Ildigan
CrimeWave Syndicate
115
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Posted - 2012.12.02 11:48:00 -
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Also please do keep note, that EVE is a released game, which can be expected not to crash, whereas Dust is currently in Beta so it is completely possible and expectable that the game will crash/ dc / fry your ps3. Arguing with "EVE does reimburses" does not work. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.02 12:40:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:What is the "H" in HTFU anyway?
I think I've got the rest figured out. = D
"H" is for "Harden" - as in "Harden The Kitten Up" (K may be substituted for F by less awesome people than myself) |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:10:00 -
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People trash Noc for losing big, but it WAS a stress test, and running non standard gear would invalidate that.
There is a problem with the game, that you lose what you are using if you disconnect, and in the expensive cases, such as tanks, CCP should redeem the player for that when it happens, even in beta.
It is hard enough to make ISK in DUST, if CCP want the expensive gear and items tested, they should either make it cheaper, ot help out when bugs ruin it. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:50:00 -
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I cant see CCP really giving stuff back for a D/C or even a hard freeze tbh and thats because ppl will abuse it, they will log out of PSN or pull out the net cable so they get ther tank back that they just lost or were going to lose and ppl will do this
Maybe with the hard freeze they could possibly do it but not with D/C because thats too easily to manipulate
Atm if your in a tank and get kicked back to MQ you will still have your tank but anything else like a D/C or hard freeze you lose it |
Tammerion
Codex Troopers
7
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Posted - 2012.12.02 16:23:00 -
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"Stupidity is expensive" |
Mike Krieger
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.12.02 16:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:IamI3rian wrote:What is the "H" in HTFU anyway?
I think I've got the rest figured out. = D "H" is for "Harden" - as in "Harden The Kitten Up" (K may be substituted for F by less awesome people than myself)
I was asking the same question, actually, until I watched this instructional video!
HTFU
I love this stance, actually. About time someone doesn't just completely pander to the whining of the masses (that's just a general statement about most online communities, not something specifically directed at the OP). |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.12.02 16:52:00 -
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Sorry guys, but really honestly every little Q.Q er would abuse this system, maybe if CCP went back to the way the ISK event was, that was the way the game should be. |
Finn Kempers
BetaMax.
222
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:32:00 -
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As of current ISK lost in the beta will not affect the EVE Universe, however ship lost in EVE will affect the EVE Universe. So no point in reimbursing something that is not affecting the universe, as its gonna get reset anyway. Logic? |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:47:00 -
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DankTurtle Rachmaninoff wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote: Noc's always been broke this build. I've given him a good 30-50 mil myself to fund his vehicle addiction. He's really got a problem. May have negatively contributed to this addiction =/
Pshh, I get SP every time he calls in a vehicle because I jump into one of his gunner seats. It's mutually beneficial. 
EnglishSnake wrote:Atm if your in a tank and get kicked back to MQ you will still have your tank but anything else like a D/C or hard freeze you lose it
Not true, considering being kicked back to MQ is exactly what happened in this instance. It's only when the whole server crashes and everyone goes back to MQ that everything in the game is essentially undone. This instance, only Noc was kicked back to MQ, the rest of us in the game continued playing, I jumped from gunner seat to driver seat, kept the tank alive, he lost the tank.
He's bringing to light that this is still a problem (and has been every build I think). If you bring out a vehicle and end up outside of the battle, it's gone. It doesn't matter whose team the tank ended up on or whether it survived the match, or even if you make it back into the same game and reclaim control of it, you lose it.
It's a fundamental problem with how asset ownership is handled, and is something that needs to be changed FOR RELEASE. Nobody really cares that they lose beta isk. The problem comes for release isk and release aurum. People are genuinely going to be upset if this still happens after release, because they will potentially lose real world money to a technical failure that is not on their end, because the game is set up in a way to do that. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:18:00 -
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Ive been kicked back to MQ and the rest of the group are still in a and playing and ive kept my tank everytime tbh
As for how it is only way is to say if you freeze and D/C you get back everything you lose in battle which will obv get abused because ppl could use faction/officer stuff and if losing pull the plug and get it all back |
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