Don't get me wrong, I love playing with my tank from time to time but last thing they need is a buff since right now, not may players wanna play AV. If they make more AV type weapons for players to use than maybe buff the tanks till then tanks are okay I guess. Most players that are crying saying tanks need a buff ether used missiles and can't aim since they have been so over nerfed or players who depend on vehicles and have a lack of gun game. Vehicles should be used sparingly, not all the time in pub games and I really hope it's like that in the finally release. They are meant to be high priced items that should only be used from time to time. Not all the time. I mean do you see players bring out Titans all the time in EVE and not worrying if one gets blown up?

Don't get me wrong, I love playing with my tank from time to time but last thing they need is a buff since right now, not may players wanna play AV. If they make more AV type weapons for players to use than maybe buff the tanks till then tanks are okay I guess. Most players that are crying saying tanks need a buff ether used missiles and can't aim since they have been so over nerfed or players who depend on vehicles and have a lack of gun game. Vehicles should be used sparingly, not all the time in pub games and I really hope it's like that in the finally release. They are meant to be high priced items that should only be used from time to time. Not all the time. I mean do you see players bring out Titans all the time in EVE and not worrying if one gets blown up?

not everyone , infact ill go out on a limb and say MOST of the corps/ppl that play this game wont ever be involved in FW or nullsec so vehicles also need to be priced so that they actually can use what they skilled into or the casuals wont find it very interesting if they unlock their new toy and never able to use it

comparing a titan price to HAV as well is a very bad comparision

if ppl dont want to skill into AV thats their problem tbqh
what CCP actually needs to do is drastically increase the ISK and WP rewards for taking out vehicles imo
alot of effort being put in place to take out these vehicles and heavies dont even make a profit if they die a couple times same with a tanker should he **** a tank or 2 and lose his he still loses ISK

not a lot of AV weapons and CCP is gonna add in a good selection of vehicles though?

Also, a good fitted team can keep a tank alive, hell thanks to someone spending a few hours, we have an invincible tank now. Yeah it leaves our squad down by 2 members but not even a forge dealing at least 8000 would be enough to touch it.

Not a lot of AV options?

Swarm Launcher, Forge Gun, Laser Rifle, AV Grenade, Flux Grenade, Mass Driver, Remote Explosives, Proximity Explosives.

All are viable AV options - some require the right combination of gear to be viable, or need you to coordinate with a teammate or two, but all of the listed weapons are effective against vehicles when used properly.


A tank with good infantry support is invincible against a Forge Gun going solo. I don't see the problem. You CAN'T make your tank invulnerable AND keep it effective against good AV unless it's supported by good infantry to keep the enemy AV out of the picture.

Sorry for the double post.

What I really mean by lack of AV, the main damage dealing weapon against shield tanks is the forge and that is limited to the heavy only. Laser Rifle is nice but it has more limits than the forge gun. Mean the damage takes time to build up and if it over heats you die also.

Laser Rifle has more limits, but also some advantages to balance it out. I've seen a couple of Scouts with Laser Rifles carve a Gunnlogi open then finish the job with AV grenades. Mobility was the core tool they had that a Heavy doesn't.

And you're ignoring the entire rest of the collection of weapon options by fixating on a single good option that's not as effective as something with a different set of drawbacks and restrictions on its use.

There are multiple AV weapons that are more effective against shields, and multiple weapons that are effective against armour.

AV Grenade, the upper tier ones are good against a poor built armor tank. Tried it out on some randoms tanks and they work best on armor only. They can work good on poor fitted shield tanks but that is only if they stay still long enough.

Flux Grenade, These are nice but they lack actual damage so unless you have something that hits heavy fast like a swarm launcher or Mass Driver or a teammate waiting with one of those it isn't worth the time. Spent a nice chuck of ISK getting the Prototype version of these and they are not really worth it.

Mass Driver, A fun weapon but tank wise, not the best to bring in a battle due to the fact that even my Passive shield tank can take a whole squad of Mass Drivers and I can pick them off just as fast as they can shoot me with my railgun or a blaster.

Remote Explosives, I can't begin to say how much I love these but they are not that good on shield tanks. I've gotten a few armor tank kills though with them and same with the Proximity Explosives. Shield tanks though, not so good unless the shield tank is a poor fit.

Gotta keep in mind, poor fitted tanks are easy to take out with these but well fitted tanks not so much and those well fitted tanks normally have good pilots in them so it makes using the closer ranged weapons harder and you have to depend more on the hard hitting weapons and those main hard hitters are Forge Guns for Shields, Swarm Launchers for Armor, Blaster Turret for Armor and Railgun for both. A lot of this is also done by number crunching also. You have to apply the best out come of what the best tank could be to get the best full on effect of the weapons.

Sounding like your writing from the point of view of soloing tanks with these items?