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MODEST RED
Carbon 7
17
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:49:00 -
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Dont u wish there was one.....i hate when i waste hard earned sp and isk on something im not sure if its gonna really worth getting or upgrading...decisions decisions. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:17:00 -
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It sucks when you waste SP, but there should NEVER be a way to undo a mistake like that. If you screw up, live with it and learn. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:22:00 -
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"HTFU" |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:30:00 -
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MODEST RED wrote:Dont u wish there was one.....i hate when i waste hard earned sp and isk on something im not sure if its gonna really worth getting or upgrading...decisions decisions.
Reskill your clone ^_^ cost... $5-$10-$15 worth of AUR on a sliding scale. you do it a lot and it gets expensive.
I'd go for that.
If not that then an insane amount of isk. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:48:00 -
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I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore". |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:55:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore".
I say screw Hardcore, you want to be hardcore go play something like CS
I personally would want this game to be accessible so new players will be able to enjoy it just as much as someone who wants to do the whole corpvscorp thing
If someone isnt able to just go into a match and enjoy themselves then it wont work and if the only way to change a mistake is to delete your char and restart that will also push a few people away |
skinn trayde
On The Brink
82
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:04:00 -
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regarding undo; how far back would you like to undo your choices?
"damn i clicked on the wrong weapon" or "omg my toon is not the one i want" ?
mis-skilling and poor equipment choices have always been a part of the universe of New Eden; and once the market allows you to resell unwanted skillbooks and kit then most of this should go away. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:47:00 -
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This d*mn it! |
Gunner Needed
The Southern Legion
111
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:54:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore".
this game gets less "hardcore" every hotfix |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.24 11:09:00 -
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lol, people think a game is hardcore because your choices matter. This game isn't hardcore.. then again, the majority of you guys seem like casuals, ew.. |
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MItt R0mney
Doomheim
58
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Posted - 2012.11.24 13:58:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore".
This man speaks the truth. I see no problem with an AUR respec option. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.11.24 14:12:00 -
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Tough ****
I have too many SP into tanks and now useless missiles, sure i could swap out SP from missiles and put it into hybrids but i made the choice long ago - my choice i live with the desicion
Would be too easy to change it on a whim and a few AUR |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.11.24 16:28:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Tough ****
I have too many SP into tanks and now useless missiles, sure i could swap out SP from missiles and put it into hybrids but i made the choice long ago - my choice i live with the desicion
Would be too easy to change it on a whim and a few AUR
This.
Can you undo on other games where you pick the wrong skill tree? No - you would have to restore to a previous save, then retrace your steps, and that is not feasible for a persistant game. For the record, Eve doesn't let you "undo" a poor choice either; I highly doubt they would consider it for this game as well, since it uses many of the same mechanics as Eve.
Also, this does not make the game inaccessible for new players. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.24 16:35:00 -
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would be nice, but no. It will destroy the whole every action matters, has a reaction and consequences that can follow like in eve online. You learn from your mistakes just like in life, there is no rewind.
They already ask you questions before buying books or applying sp, and same with spending isk, you are asked how many you want and asked again are you sure. The skills are all labled and say what they do pretty clearly ( in most cases ). If there is confusion, reach out to your fellow dust community and ask or do some research on the skill you are about to earn before applying it. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:44:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore".
You must be new to New Eden.
In New Eden, every action must have meaning. But you can't have meaning for those actions without permanent consequences. If I fitted my dropsuit poorly and I die often because of it, then I must live with that mistake for the rest of my life and use as a learning experience instead. If I skilled into a specialized profession that doesn't give me much reward in terms of ISK or SP, then I must accept that.
It does not matter whether or not you were uninformed at the start. What matters are having meaningful choices through permanent consequences. You can never have action without an equal and opposite reaction.
If you pay attention, much of us here are actually from the Eve Online universe that has operated under such a harsh and brutal culture for 9 years. Many of us have robbed corporations, assassinated CEOs and directors, scammed newbies of their hard-earned ISK, destroyed defenseless mining ships in high-sec without provocation or war declaration, and have burned economies without giving it a single thought. Because of this harsh and brutal culture we have bred some of the most organized and cohesive players in the history of gaming that rival even the most powerful guilds in World of Warcraft. In addition to this, we have built one of the most sophisticated intelligence/counter-intelligence networks known to gaming with hierarchies similar to that of real-world corporations.
And all this would not be possible were it not for permanent consequences. |
Terram Nenokal
BetaMax.
115
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Posted - 2012.11.24 20:18:00 -
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Do your homework before leveling up a skill IMO. It has a confirmation popup for a reason. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.24 20:36:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:MODEST RED wrote:Dont u wish there was one.....i hate when i waste hard earned sp and isk on something im not sure if its gonna really worth getting or upgrading...decisions decisions. Reskill your clone ^_^ cost... $5-$10-$15 worth of AUR on a sliding scale. you do it a lot and it gets expensive. I'd go for that. If not that then an insane amount of isk. Hell to the no. SP application should always be permanent. This game doesn't need people waffling around specializations, or giving people with more money the ability to just re-spec their character into a different asset. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:30:00 -
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Put this in requests.
I accidentally put an extra rank into Infantry Electronics when I meant to put it into Nanocircuitry.
Now it's impossible for me to get Rank 4 Nanocircuitry this weekly cap, so I now have to wait an extra week for my armor repairing Nanohives. |
Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:45:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: now have to wait an extra week for my armor repairing Nanohives.
A week? A WHOLE week? Oh the humanity! |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:58:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore".
It isn't a decision that matters. It's not like old school RPGs, where you had a limit to the skill points you could get and if you misused your points you were forever stuck with your bad decision. In Dust, you simply play for a bit longer and get more SP and spend them all over again. The decisions aren't ones that permanently hamper you. |
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.11.24 22:00:00 -
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Gemini Reynolds wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: now have to wait an extra week for my armor repairing Nanohives.
A week? A WHOLE week? Oh the humanity!
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It's only a week. It's not THAT bad... |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.25 01:39:00 -
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You CAN reskill though.
It doesn't even cost AUR, or even ISK.
Just takes time.
Deal with it. Welcome to New Eden. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.25 01:58:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore". You must be new to New Eden. In New Eden, every action must have meaning. But you can't have meaning for those actions without permanent consequences. If I fitted my dropsuit poorly and I die often because of it, then I must live with that mistake for the rest of my life and use as a learning experience instead. If I skilled into a specialized profession that doesn't give me much reward in terms of ISK or SP, then I must accept that. It does not matter whether or not you were uninformed at the start. What matters are having meaningful choices through permanent consequences. You can never have action without an equal and opposite reaction. If you pay attention, much of us here are actually from the Eve Online universe that has operated under such a harsh and brutal culture for 9 years. Many of us have robbed corporations, assassinated CEOs and directors, scammed newbies of their hard-earned ISK, destroyed defenseless mining ships in high-sec without provocation or war declaration, and have burned economies without giving it a single thought. Because of this harsh and brutal culture we have bred some of the most organized and cohesive players in the history of gaming that rival even the most powerful guilds in World of Warcraft. In addition to this, we have built one of the most sophisticated intelligence/counter-intelligence networks known to gaming with hierarchies similar to that of real-world corporations. And all this would not be possible were it not for permanent consequences.
Let's also not forget that you people are asking a company who has, for nine years, rejected any idea that leads to undoing any of your actions just because of your mistakes unless your actions happen to be illegal like the RMT runners (consequences for doing rmt are very severe). When Band of Brothers fell to Goonswarm, players wanted CCP to undo the damage that was felt when it turned out that a spy disbanded an entire alliance that took over a year to build. CCP said...
Tough luck. No rules were broken. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.25 02:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I personally don't see any value in forcing someone to live with an uniformed decision, I don't think it adds to the game. But people seem to be against it for the sake of making things "hardcore". You must be new to New Eden. In New Eden, every action must have meaning. But you can't have meaning for those actions without permanent consequences. If I fitted my dropsuit poorly and I die often because of it, then I must live with that mistake for the rest of my life and use as a learning experience instead. If I skilled into a specialized profession that doesn't give me much reward in terms of ISK or SP, then I must accept that. It does not matter whether or not you were uninformed at the start. What matters are having meaningful choices through permanent consequences. You can never have action without an equal and opposite reaction. If you pay attention, much of us here are actually from the Eve Online universe that has operated under such a harsh and brutal culture for 9 years. Many of us have robbed corporations, assassinated CEOs and directors, scammed newbies of their hard-earned ISK, destroyed defenseless mining ships in high-sec without provocation or war declaration, and have burned economies without giving it a single thought. Because of this harsh and brutal culture we have bred some of the most organized and cohesive players in the history of gaming that rival even the most powerful guilds in World of Warcraft. In addition to this, we have built one of the most sophisticated intelligence/counter-intelligence networks known to gaming with hierarchies similar to that of real-world corporations. And all this would not be possible were it not for permanent consequences. Let's also not forget that you people are asking a company who has, for nine years, rejected any idea that leads to undoing any of your actions just because of your mistakes unless your actions happen to be illegal like the RMT runners (consequences for doing rmt are very severe). When Band of Brothers fell to Goonswarm, players wanted CCP to undo the damage that was felt when it turned out that a spy disbanded an entire alliance that took over a year to build. CCP said... Tough luck. No rules were broken.
Crazy how much damage sleeper agents have done over the years in eve
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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.11.25 02:21:00 -
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As has been mentioned, skilling into one thing does not prevent you from skilling into another. There is no 'wrong' decision, no need for an undo button.
If you want to branch out you just need to work for it and have a little patience. All it takes is time.
The more skills you train into the more options you have. Part of what gives the game longevity. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.11.25 02:35:00 -
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Aighun wrote:As has been mentioned, skilling into one thing does not prevent you from skilling into another. There is no 'wrong' decision, no need for an undo button.
If you want to branch out you just need to work for it and have a little patience. All it takes is time.
The more skills you train into the more options you have. Part of what gives the game longevity.
The reason I purchased every BPO when I first got that mercenary pack. I never know when i'll be able to make them useful. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.11.25 03:56:00 -
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While I wouldn't mind it if there was an undo button,a better option would be more extinsive stats showing what your upgraded skills will do for you before you invest SP into them.For example,if I decide to upgrade Weaponry to level 5,I would like to see the exact damage that it's going to produce for each of my weapons that it's valid for.
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Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.11.25 08:33:00 -
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I made a thread a while ago on that matter. If i m not in favor of complete respec, i still think an "undo button" is needed. Something that would allow to cancel last Skill upgrade as long as you dont play game. It would avoid people wanting to kill themselves after upgrading the wrong skill for 1M SP lol.
In eve, skill is learned over time so you have plenty of chance to correct a mistake. In dust you invest instantly a ton of SP And as mistake is only human, i think a limited undo button is a good idea as long as it is limited in how it would work. |
ReGnUM bEiBer DEI
242
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Posted - 2012.11.25 08:44:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:I made a thread a while ago on that matter. If i m not in favor of complete respec, i still think an "undo button" is needed. Something that would allow to cancel last Skill upgrade as long as you dont play game. It would avoid people wanting to kill themselves after upgrading the wrong skill for 1M SP lol.
In eve, skill is learned over time so you have plenty of chance to correct a mistake. In dust you invest instantly a ton of SP And as mistake is only human, i think a limited undo button is a good idea as long as it is limited in how it would work. HTFU |
Grimmiers
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.11.25 08:52:00 -
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Implement some sp insurance CCP. |
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