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Olav Grey-Mane
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:24:00 -
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Ok so I just got out of one of the worst games i've ever played. The enemy took out all of our clones, all 80 while they were only left with 65 left and we were trying very hard, we had snipers, heavy machine guns, we had the works. what was the difference? They were a corp. how can I tell? well i'm pretty sure complete strangers don't move in a pact. these guys were to organized to be just random people meeting in a game.
Now I did reconize allot of the people from another run in. It sucks how big squads like that can get into games with people who just want to play and they just own everything and were left with 10 deaths 3 kills... would there be any possible way to... fix that maybe? Not saying get rid of squads just make it so the big organized crops can't get into random games.
just an idea, i'm not complaining, I love challenges but when they own the floor and wipe it with us... there's no challenge just defeat. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:31:00 -
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Or make it so we can corp deploy in full. Corps are where its at. Sorry, but teamwork will always trump non teamwork. |
Olav Grey-Mane
The Exemplars
58
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:36:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Or make it so we can corp deploy in full. Corps are where its at. Sorry, but teamwork will always trump non teamwork.
Oh no no no no, I fully udnerstand that, I prefer teamwork but none of my friends with dust were on so I was playing alone, couldn't get into a corp game either. I do prefer teamwork but for hte people who don't kidna sucks on them/ |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:40:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Or make it so we can corp deploy in full. Corps are where its at. Sorry, but teamwork will always trump non teamwork.
zerg deploy in hisec pub games that are meant for casuals? sorry but play some FW if u want to have a full team of ur corp
hisec matches shouldnt be dominated by corps zergin unorganised randoms
CCP has stated they want to make this game acccessible so casuals who only got a few mins to an hour or so can enjoy themselves not be forced to join a corp and hisec pub matches is the ONLY place u can allow casuals/solo players some breeding room.
The places for more hardcore teamplay will always be FW and nullsec.
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VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:43:00 -
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If i may refer you to this link here we'll gladly run and gun with thought process. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1032
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:48:00 -
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ccp should nerf whoever did this to you. While they are at it, they should make sure players that claim they are classy, respectful, and hate trolls get an advantage. After all they are the reason ccp made this game in the first place.
CCP should also track stats on being nice and respectful that way when it comes time to get hired for nullsec alliances the EvE nerds know which ones will produce the most friendly gg posts after losing.
welcome to dust olav |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1032
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:50:00 -
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VK deathslaer wrote:If i may refer you to this link here we'll gladly run and gun with thought process.
Give his corp a shot I think you will like it |
Olav Grey-Mane
The Exemplars
58
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:54:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:ccp should nerf whoever did this to you. While they are at it, they should make sure players that claim they are classy, respectful, and hate trolls get an advantage. After all they are the reason ccp made this game in the first place.
CCP should also track stats on being nice and respectful that way when it comes time to get hired for nullsec alliances the EvE nerds know which ones will produce the most friendly gg posts after losing.
welcome to dust olav
jeez not saying nerf, not complaining just saying that if coprs want to get together there should be a crop battle thing instead of them getting stuck with randoms. sure they would be happy with some competition that uses teamwork. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:04:00 -
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Trolls will be trolls: what the OP is saying is that truly casual players should have the option of being able to stand a chance. Something like a no-premade queue (dare I say like CoD?) with slightly less rewards would work for this.
However, once we get everything like factional warfare vs nullsec corp warfare, we won't need these because corps and casuals will naturally gravitate to different types of warfare. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:07:00 -
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You'll notice its not about one corp in a Public Match, it really does depend who's playing, even without Comms. I've seen a Team with a full Squad of Imperfects, SI and WTF all in one match, with a couple of randoms, against 16 randoms (NPC corps and player corps, no actual groups though). These guys don't communicate with eachother throughout the fight, they stick to their own comms yet won by a landslide. Reason being, they know what they're doing. It's never going to be fair, because even though players don't communicate, you'll have 4 squads working by themselves and they'll still do a lot better than 16 guys with no comms whatsoever. |
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:11:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Trolls will be trolls: what the OP is saying is that truly casual players should have the option of being able to stand a chance. Something like a no-premade queue (dare I say like CoD?) with slightly less rewards would work for this.
However, once we get everything like factional warfare vs nullsec corp warfare, we won't need these because corps and casuals will naturally gravitate to different types of warfare.
they do have a chance the playerbase is hella small atm so ur gonna run into alot of corps and not many other casuals/randoms
party size is 4 atm (squad size should be at least 6 when game gets bumped to 24v24) only time u really meet more than a squad of 1 corp is when ppl trying to Q-Sync and teamstack randoms
will never understand how ppl can go into pubs with 2+ squads on 1 side vs randoms and find that fun
Last thing CCP should do is implement zerg deploy in hisec force corps that want to play with full teams into the meaningful areas of New Eden where they belong in corp v corp battles |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:12:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:You'll notice its not about one corp in a Public Match, it really does depend who's playing, even without Comms. I've seen a Team with a full Squad of Imperfects, SI and WTF all in one match, with a couple of randoms, against 16 randoms (NPC corps and player corps, no actual groups though). These guys don't communicate with eachother throughout the fight, they stick to their own comms yet won by a landslide. Reason being, they know what they're doing. It's never going to be fair, because even though players don't communicate, you'll have 4 squads working by themselves and they'll still do a lot better than 16 guys with no comms whatsoever.
this also comes down to the low playerbase so u'll get more instances of different corps being put on the same teams |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:19:00 -
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Fix: join a corp |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:19:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote: will never understand how ppl can go into pubs with 2+ squads on 1 side vs randoms and find that fun
I dunno, I enjoy seeing 8 SI in a battle on the same side (Or 16 SI on both teams.. Now that's a bloody good fight) because it let's me fight with people I like fighting with. I mean, the majority of the time we're all in Squad Chat anyways, so we're not constantly communicating but we're working together, learning who's doing what and practicing together.
On the plus side, when a bunch of SI are in a match, they're usually on opposing teams, which is great for practice but ruins my bank balance (am such a try hard, trust.) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:49:00 -
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You're right about the player base being too small now. It's just that currently, randoms ruin it for corps, while corps ruin it for randoms. |
Tyrus 4
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2012.11.22 03:01:00 -
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In addition, the proposed Matchmaking system is barely implemented, if at all. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.22 03:06:00 -
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The number 1 rule in Dust/EVE is to find a corp, did you think you could make sovereignty solo? |
CLONE 2774
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
83
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:28:00 -
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Olav Grey-Mane wrote:Ok so I just got out of one of the worst games i've ever played. The enemy took out all of our clones, all 80 while they were only left with 65 left and we were trying very hard, we had snipers, heavy machine guns, we had the works. what was the difference? They were a corp. how can I tell? well i'm pretty sure complete strangers don't move in a pact. these guys were to organized to be just random people meeting in a game.
Now I did reconize allot of the people from another run in. It sucks how big squads like that can get into games with people who just want to play and they just own everything and were left with 10 deaths 3 kills... would there be any possible way to... fix that maybe? Not saying get rid of squads just make it so the big organized crops can't get into random games.
just an idea, i'm not complaining, I love challenges but when they own the floor and wipe it with us... there's no challenge just defeat. u sure cause i was in a match of complete strangers each from a different corp.we all worked together.We were about to lose till i captured B.The everyone moved in 3 GAINT groups |
PIMP MAC DADDY
A.I.
41
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:33:00 -
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Olav Grey-Mane wrote:Ok so I just got out of one of the worst games i've ever played. The enemy took out all of our clones, all 80 while they were only left with 65 left and we were trying very hard, we had snipers, heavy machine guns, we had the works. what was the difference? They were a corp. how can I tell? well i'm pretty sure complete strangers don't move in a pact. these guys were to organized to be just random people meeting in a game.
Now I did reconize allot of the people from another run in. It sucks how big squads like that can get into games with people who just want to play and they just own everything and were left with 10 deaths 3 kills... would there be any possible way to... fix that maybe? Not saying get rid of squads just make it so the big organized crops can't get into random games.
just an idea, i'm not complaining, I love challenges but when they own the floor and wipe it with us... there's no challenge just defeat. The game is becoming unbalanced and ruined I liked it before all of these hotfixes |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:34:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:The number 1 rule in Dust/EVE is to find a corp, did you think you could make sovereignty solo?
hisec isnt about sov tho :/ |
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:36:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:The number 1 rule in Dust/EVE is to find a corp, did you think you could make sovereignty solo? hisec isnt about sov tho :/ Factional warfare is a pain solo |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:44:00 -
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I agree with the op in a sense that it is almost to easy while running with a crew.
And they keep stealing my kills. |
MassiveNine
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
100
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:45:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:I agree with the op in a sense that it is almost to easy while running with a crew.
And they keep stealing my kills.
I find that as a heavy, this happens a lot. |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.11.22 10:41:00 -
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Olav Grey-Mane wrote:Ok so I just got out of one of the worst games i've ever played. The enemy took out all of our clones, all 80 while they were only left with 65 left and we were trying very hard, we had snipers, heavy machine guns, we had the works. what was the difference? They were a corp. how can I tell? well i'm pretty sure complete strangers don't move in a pact. these guys were to organized to be just random people meeting in a game.
Now I did reconize allot of the people from another run in. It sucks how big squads like that can get into games with people who just want to play and they just own everything and were left with 10 deaths 3 kills... would there be any possible way to... fix that maybe? Not saying get rid of squads just make it so the big organized crops can't get into random games.
just an idea, i'm not complaining, I love challenges but when they own the floor and wipe it with us... there's no challenge just defeat.
I totally agree. Like you, I can't be arsed with joining a corp. I just wanna fire up my PS3 and have a play....all the added complication of joining a corp, talking to people and generally being sociable doesn't attract me. If I want to talk to people, I'll go down the pub with me mates!
But this games leans heavily on this corp business. As a random, you are at an immediate disadvantage.
I guess CCP have designed it that way...cos lets face it, if you're in a corp, you've got something to prove, which means you'll probably spend money on AUR to attempt to become the best player in your corp.
I do hope when the game is released, us randoms are given a sort of no-corp, no-voip games.
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R F Gyro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
315
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Posted - 2012.11.22 11:54:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I totally agree. Like you, I can't be arsed with joining a corp. I just wanna fire up my PS3 and have a play....all the added complication of joining a corp, talking to people and generally being sociable doesn't attract me. If I want to talk to people, I'll go down the pub with me mates!
But this games leans heavily on this corp business. As a random, you are at an immediate disadvantage.
I guess CCP have designed it that way...cos lets face it, if you're in a corp, you've got something to prove, which means you'll probably spend money on AUR to attempt to become the best player in your corp.
I do hope when the game is released, us randoms are given a sort of no-corp, no-voip games.
Can I ask what it is about Dust that interests you then? Why Dust rather than any other online FPS? |
Umbat Boki
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:27:00 -
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As I proposed some time ago in feedback section, we can have list of matches for, lets say, different secure status and limit amount of ISK and/or SP earned. For instance,
- 1.0 - max 40k ISK and/or max 5k SP
- 0.9 - max 60k ISK and/or max 7k SP
- and so on
These numbers are just example, not the concrete values I suggest. You can also limit vehicles and other stuff like this.
The idea is that squads, good, proto merc will go for maximum profit and low profit planets (with high SS) can be used by new mercs.
Also I don't believe that any kind of matchmaking will work in DUST. A player can use different fittings, be in a squad or not and his efficiency will differ greatly.
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dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:46:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:dudeytron wrote:I totally agree. Like you, I can't be arsed with joining a corp. I just wanna fire up my PS3 and have a play....all the added complication of joining a corp, talking to people and generally being sociable doesn't attract me. If I want to talk to people, I'll go down the pub with me mates!
But this games leans heavily on this corp business. As a random, you are at an immediate disadvantage.
I guess CCP have designed it that way...cos lets face it, if you're in a corp, you've got something to prove, which means you'll probably spend money on AUR to attempt to become the best player in your corp.
I do hope when the game is released, us randoms are given a sort of no-corp, no-voip games.
Can I ask what it is about Dust that interests you then? Why Dust rather than any other online FPS?
Because all it cost me was 3 months Playstation Plus subscription = -ú12 - which is pretty good value for a game. And I bought the subscription just to play Dust. Dust intrigued me because of the Sci-Fi elements, but if I'm honest, I'm underwhelmed. I just dont feel CCP have fully exploited the Sci-Fi. I mean - where are the Aliens? where is the Alien Fauna and Foliage? where are the Alien Walkers? ala Sigourney Weaver in Aliens in the loader!
if you boil it down, Dust is just another generic shooter where you happen to be on a different planet.
My subscription runs out in about one month - I won't be renewing. |
skinn trayde
On The Brink
82
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:02:00 -
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dudeytron - leaving the game during beta if you don't like its bugs is one thing, but would you be returning to try again when launched? (and yes I have read the posts previously)
I ask as the Eve universe has never been about aliens but about the meta game of intergalactic conquest with a side serving of rogue drones and other non-human interference.
I appreciate the thoughts about the SF/Future setting missing something "alien" but the premise is that the human race expanded into this part of the universe and splintered into 4 key factions. Eve is and always has been more about the inhumanity of humanity at its core, and CCP have never ruled out "others" appearing to stir things up (bring on the Jovians!!).
Regarding Corps - every player is instantly part of a larger corporation (albeit NPC controlled), so that's not the issue I think you have, but an issue with finding yourself playing with players that don't act as a team when in "randoms" matches. Every player is in a squad; but not every squad leader leads their squad. This game and the greater Eve universe has always been based around teamwork - yes you can make a living solo, but you are stronger with people around you.
However, "bug hunts" and non-human conflicts are catered for by ME / Halo / GoW / Resistance / (hell even) AvP or Aliens: CM. Don't write off a game that will cost you sweet FA to play on the grounds that its a future themed shooter, get involved with the larger community (maybe try EVE), and hopefully you could find a place in your heart for what is (for some of us at least) a very large family. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:02:00 -
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Your seeing a beta FPS thats attached to a wider game called eve http://www.eveonline.com/creations/fiction/ dunno what they've done with the rest of the fiction but there is some, we are probably seeing less then half of the content dust will consist of. |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:20:00 -
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skinn trayde wrote:dudeytron - leaving the game during beta if you don't like its bugs is one thing, but would you be returning to try again when launched? (and yes I have read the posts previously)
I ask as the Eve universe has never been about aliens but about the meta game of intergalactic conquest with a side serving of rogue drones and other non-human interference.
I appreciate the thoughts about the SF/Future setting missing something "alien" but the premise is that the human race expanded into this part of the universe and splintered into 4 key factions. Eve is and always has been more about the inhumanity of humanity at its core, and CCP have never ruled out "others" appearing to stir things up (bring on the Jovians!!).
Regarding Corps - every player is instantly part of a larger corporation (albeit NPC controlled), so that's not the issue I think you have, but an issue with finding yourself playing with players that don't act as a team when in "randoms" matches. Every player is in a squad but not every squad lead leads their squad and this game and the greater Eve universe has always been based around teamwork - yes you can make a living solo, but you are stronger with people around you.
However, "bug hunts" and non-human conflicts are catered for by ME / Halo / GoW / Resistance / (hell even) AvP or Aliens: CM. Don't write off a game that will cost you sweet FA to play on the grounds that its a future themed shooter, get involved with the larger community (maybe try EVE), and hopefully you could find a place in your heart for what is (for some of us at least) a very large family.
I see what you're saying. Maybe I'm being a tad harsh on the game elements regarding alien life....but I'm still convinced CCP could have done something to make the Alien worlds looks a tad more alien. Giant Mushrooms, red rivers, orange sky...I don't know. But you get my point!? At the minute I feel like I'm playing on a brown field industrial site in Birmingham!!!
In regards to me being a one man army and ignoring the corps - This is how I play and I enjoy it. But I'll tell you what, as you're not the first to say "join a corp, it's better", I'll dig out my headset and mic tonight...and I'll see if joining in the game chat makes things a little more interesting.
I may come back in a years time to see if things have changed - I tend to only doing gaming during Winter, when it's too cold to go to the pub! |
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