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Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.11.12 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote Do you want a wipe with the next build? With the tourney out of the way, the next big thing to look forward to is the new build coming up. Now from what I gather it is planed with no wipe in mind. So my question to the community is GÇ£ do you want a SP/ISK wipe with the new build?GÇ¥ Please try to list why. Note: Keep in mind a wipe might mess with CEOs levels with his/her Corp and TQ wont be out tell 2013
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.11.12 21:19:00 - [2] - Quote Yes/no. Id like to see isk stay, and sp too, but have them put all your sp into unallocated, so u can try new things w,/ the sp you have instead of starting from scratch AGAIN
DJINN Riot 63	Posted - 2012.11.12 21:34:00 - [3] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Do you want a wipe with the next build? With the tourney out of the way, the next big thing to look forward to is the new build coming up. Now from what I gather it is planed with no wipe in mind. So my question to the community is GÇ£ do you want a SP/ISK wipe with the new build?GÇ¥ Please try to list why. Note: Keep in mind a wipe might mess with CEOs levels with his/her Corp I had assumed with the next build there would be a wipe. Until now it hadn't really crossed my mind. I personally wouldn't mind a wipe, having deleted two characters that held AUR items and having exhausted the AUR stockpile i had acquired. I think for new players especially, they can kind of look forward to the wipe with each build, because it is a semi-fair playing field(minus skill). And i am all for new players. I currently feel like i fight against the same people day in and day out, and would love to see newer players encouraged to play more. I would also think it would be hard to test the flaylock pistol, or scrambler rifle(any new weapon additions) effectively if you were bringing them into a build where you see maxed out AR proficiency ect. The learning curve on them would be pretty hard, if their playstyle is any different at all. As far as the ISK wipe. Yes. After the SISI EVE ISK debacle, i think it is a necessity. Especially if CCP wants a through test of the way the market is working as is. There were/are, I know the tournament took out a fair share of these, but there were parties involved that were not involved in the tournament resulting in a lot of stockpiled dropsuits/vehiciles ect. It didn't take very long for the corps to get rolling either, so i don't think we should look at that as a deterrent anyways. EDIT: TL;DR Yes
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.12 21:35:00 - [4] - Quote Hm. To be honest, I would like a wipe with the next build. However either way I am unaffected I suppose. I want a wipe so that I can test out other variants and gear, but I would like them to be able to compensate coporation CEO's with enough skill points so that they can build up their corporations again a bit quicker then this build. Like I said though eitherway I do not mind. Personally though my problem is with lack of content, and substance at the moment in-game. Granted it's a beta. Understandable. Just a little too slow for my taste though. No player market, missing items, lack of racial diversity. It certainly is a mess. Simple answer though? I do not mind a wipe, but I would like to see as I said CEO's be gifted the corporation skills, or given enough skills points to set themselves up again.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.11.12 21:43:00 - [5] - Quote Wipe it all please.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.11.12 21:58:00 - [6] - Quote I honestly don't care one way or the other. I do think it would be interesting to see what would happen if we didn't have a wipe,in relation to players coming in new starting from zero.It could be a good indication of how the game will work once it's out of beta an we are playing for real.when new players come in a month into the launch.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:07:00 - [7] - Quote I'd prefer NOT to see a wipe, personally. It'll be nice to let a few people build up crazy piles of ISK and see how they come up with new and interesting ways to spend it. Also, some of the less skilled and/or casual players showing up in protogear might be nice for once, instead of only the hardcore crowd. Not particularly concerned either way, though. According to a thread a few days ago, the devs said they weren't planning a wipe until we move to another server. Post included a partial IRC transcript. Not much, but it's something.
Tyrus 4 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:07:00 - [8] - Quote I'd like one. Just cause I'd like the chance to rebuild my other character that I messed up. I know how I want him specced now, so I'd like the chance to follow through on that rather than using a new character.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:07:00 - [9] - Quote I say yes. Reason being that with changes to test, we need to see how it operates from floor level.. not when a big part of community is more advanced than what some of the new mods and suits will be at a lower level, so you cant gauge their uses and power as easily. And with the huge stockpiles that people aquired from the isk transfers , that were not intended and put to a hault, it needs to be put back on a balanced playing field in that perspective. Oh and I would love to fully spec myself in the right **** this time :) ( this being the smallest reason ) my thoughts
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1032	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:20:00 - [10] - Quote no wipe till we move to TQ is whats stated. Hell 5 weeks in and I barely have 5 mill sp

Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:22:00 - [11] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Hm. To be honest, I would like a wipe with the next build. However either way I am unaffected I suppose. I want a wipe so that I can test out other variants and gear, but I would like them to be able to compensate coporation CEO's with enough skill points so that they can build up their corporations again a bit quicker then this build. Like I said though eitherway I do not mind. Personally though my problem is with lack of content, and substance at the moment in-game. Granted it's a beta. Understandable. Just a little too slow for my taste though. No player market, missing items, lack of racial diversity. It certainly is a mess. Simple answer though? I do not mind a wipe, but I would like to see as I said CEO's be gifted the corporation skills, or given enough skills points to set themselves up again. I like this idea of accelerated learning for the corporation skills, If it can be implemented during a beta wipe it would help alot.
tango 45 Doomheim 2	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:23:00 - [12] - Quote Wipe, just because i like people crying.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:23:00 - [13] - Quote I'm gonna have to say no to the wipe for the new build, this isn't like previous builds. SP grind is so slow a a wipe will be too counter productive imo.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:30:00 - [14] - Quote If I was using any other account than my main (not this one), then no I wouldn't want a wipe. But since my main account, leukoplast, is so plagued with problems do to my contact/block list, I would prefer a wipe so I could start using this account to play which barely has any issues at all since it has a clean contact/block list. I can play pretty much an entire night on a different account with only minor lag here and there, but with my main I am lucky to get 3 or 4 ambush matches in succession, or 2 or 3 skirmish matches before succumbing to the dreaded frame-rate of hell. Maybe I will get lucky and CCP will fix the problems I am having with my main on the next build, in which case I will be glad things were not wiped. Nothing being reset is the ideal situation for testing, as it will give players a chance to really start to use the top-tier stuff and really belt out some skill upgrades. With all the periodic resets, players really could only get so far, which from a testing perspective, isn't covering all the bases.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:32:00 - [15] - Quote No wipe we have barely scratched the surface this round of SP. I am tired of not being able to reach highher levels of suits cause of the early wipes. Let it ride.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:34:00 - [16] - Quote what some people need to take into consideration is how it effects the community as a whole, and not just yourself.
Valmar Shadereaver Lost-Legion 18	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:39:00 - [17] - Quote im hoping on all sp/isk stay but that sp that isent in corp managment goes to unacolated so that we can keep corp's and put the sp in stuf your going to use cause im sure alot of ppl got several uneeded skill's or want a difrent role altogether
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.12 22:45:00 - [18] - Quote No wipe so I can test the new pilot suit immediately rather than having to spend four weeks skilling back into dropships. We can also test the dropship/swarm mechanics changes right away so there is more time to tweak them before the next build.
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 22	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:01:00 - [19] - Quote Another wipe would be painful.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote I am awfully tired of starting from zero.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:04:00 - [21] - Quote I would like a wipe, gets everyone back on an equal playing field (at least for a while).
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:07:00 - [22] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: I am awfully tired of starting from zero. this
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:12:00 - [23] - Quote I normally prefer sp/isk wipes, mainly because I like to see the playing field leveled, however briefly, for new players. This time around i'm voting the other way because it's been awhile since we've been able to test the upper echelons of our various builds, and a lot has changed since we were all running around in proto everything. There are a lot of new skills that haven't been tested at the upper levels, and we're just now getting a handle on squad and team compositions, vehicle/infantry balance, etc. I think DUST would be well-served if we took some time to seriously explore the upper levels of what is possible. In fact, I propose that when the new build drops the Devs give us all a bonus 3 million skillpoints. This is really to help the new players survive, as well as to get vets a little deeper into their skill trees. Run the beta like this for 3 weeks and THEN do a sp/ISK/AUR wipe/reset and let us start from scratch. Run the build for ~4-6 more weeks after that. We've all learned a lot about how to be effective mercs, let's see just how much we can exploit and twist the game at higher skill levels.
OL One Eye Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:15:00 - [24] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Yes/no. Id like to see isk stay, and sp too, but have them put all your sp into unallocated, so u can try new things w,/ the sp you have instead of starting from scratch AGAIN +1 learning from mistakes made in this build to make a better rounded merc next build.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Legacy Rising 197	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:16:00 - [25] - Quote first were looking at 2 or 3 weeks till the next wipe/build so i complete support a wipe so i can properly skill my characters and so i can get back merc pack gear that was wasted so im all for a wipe
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:18:00 - [26] - Quote Wipe it all. Or maybe just wipe ISK and AUR, and let us keep SP. At least reset the stuff I got from my merc pack.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:37:00 - [27] - Quote Wipe it all. Why not? When the game gets released it is all going to be wiped anyway.
xMarauder Doomheim 139	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:40:00 - [28] - Quote I say yes to the wipe. It would give everyone who started late this build a chance to get on equal sp footing with everyone else.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:40:00 - [29] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Wipe it all. Why not? When the game gets released it is all going to be wiped anyway. TQ wipe is supposed to be the last wipe, last I heard.
Tyrus 4 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2012.11.12 23:42:00 - [30] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Maffia- Thug wrote: Wipe it all. Why not? When the game gets released it is all going to be wiped anyway. TQ wipe is supposed to be the last wipe, last I heard. it should be. when we move to TQ...thats Launch.

Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.11.13 00:05:00 - [31] - Quote I think this would be the most interesting way to wipe and get interesting feedback.... Wipe part of the community! Not the noobs they keep their stuff, I'm talking about wiping the best of us, basicly if your on the leaderboard you get wiped. I think this would show how gear trumps skill or vice versa. See how dedicated new gamers face against skilled up opponents. I know this will never happen but this would be my way.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.11.13 00:09:00 - [32] - Quote Nope. When Dropships are nerfed, I want to see the misery on their faces.
WUT ANG Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.11.13 00:20:00 - [33] - Quote are the dropshiits getting nerfed
Overlord Zero Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.11.13 00:47:00 - [34] - Quote Wipe ISK, reset AUR, remove all gear, but refund all SP to be redistributed except for points on CEO accounts that are spent on corp management skills. People who don't want a wipe will still get to keep their SP (the most important thing in the game), and people who do want a wipe will get AUR refunded and the ISK overflow from the issues earlier this build will be fixed. Also, everyone will be able to re-specialize if they wish. Spent points to try out mass drivers and have regretted loosing that SP ever since? Fixed. Specced into tanks but it turns out you suck as a tank pilot? Fixed. Accidentally bought a shield proficiency skill instead of shield management because you were tired and not paying attention to what you were doing closely enough? Fixed. And if you like exactly what you have, just buy the skill books again and build your character up again.
Overlord Zero Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.11.13 00:49:00 - [35] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: I think this would be the most interesting way to wipe and get interesting feedback.... Wipe part of the community! Not the noobs they keep their stuff, I'm talking about wiping the best of us, basicly if your on the leaderboard you get wiped. I think this would show how gear trumps skill or vice versa. See how dedicated new gamers face against skilled up opponents. I know this will never happen but this would be my way. I love that idea, but the QQ from people on the boards would flood these forums so heavily that they would be unusable. Edit: Sorry for the double post, was unintentional.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 229	Posted - 2012.11.13 00:55:00 - [36] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Do you want a wipe with the next build? With the tourney out of the way, the next big thing to look forward to is the new build coming up. Now from what I gather it is planed with no wipe in mind. So my question to the community is GÇ£ do you want a SP/ISK wipe with the new build?GÇ¥ Please try to list why. Note: Keep in mind a wipe might mess with CEOs levels with his/her Corp Absolutely Yes. first a personal reason: would love to respect my char. Second: think about guys who are starting now; are they gonna stay when in the first match they get redlined and can't even see anything but dropships and tanks. And even if they're lucky they'll be part of the winning team, they'll just get bored. Ceos and corp will have a wipe. Not now, maybe. But when the game comes out. So it's pretty useless to keep them now, isn't it?
Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 187	Posted - 2012.11.13 01:03:00 - [37] - Quote I'm certainly tired of grinding (multiple characters) skills up from zero, but have no idea what changes will be coming or whether there is a benefit/need to be tested from the ground up. I'll be good either way and more concerned about some crucial fixes being made than resets.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.13 01:08:00 - [38] - Quote Wipes don't help with testing. They make it painful as you grudgingly trudge through electronics, engineering, mechanics, etc skills again and again before you can start playing with the more interesting high end fits. Everyone knows the basic assault fit is AR/extender/rep. Do we really have see another 2+ weeks of just that before we can see things like insane missile turrets and such are the actual problem, with 2+ weeks for forge guns to be common enough for anti-vehicle work again? The period in time after a wipe represents a sliver of a fraction of the lifetime of the game. Why does it need so much testing compared to the horribly unbalanced end game? If anything, after next wipe give us 10M SP from the get go.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2012.11.13 02:06:00 - [39] - Quote I personally would like to see a wipe with a 5m sp and 10m isk start out. CCP needs to do some endgame testing i think.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.13 02:10:00 - [40] - Quote It all depends on how many changes (and what kind of changes) we see in the next build. There are times where it's most practical to simply wipe everything and start over. Also, everyone here knows that we have one more wipe left at least before going into Tranquility so many of us are just spending what little AURUM we have on stuff to throw away because we expect reimbursement of the AUR in the wipe. After the final wipe, then you will see everyone acting frugal with the AUR.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.11.13 02:40:00 - [41] - Quote Let us KEEP our SALVAGE. Let us TRADE our SALVAGE. Reset and give EVERYONE 5M sp. Wipe the ISK and NON salvage items and wipe any purchased items. Refund Aurum.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.13 03:52:00 - [42] - Quote Wipe everything and give us 10M SP. Then we can test our main specs off the bat and see what has changed.
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.13 04:05:00 - [43] - Quote I am only in favor of a Wipe when they give us MUCH more content during the next build. If all we're going to get is a new weapon or Map i'd rather not go through a new wipe. If they give us a new game mode, intergrated the Player Market, new Dropsuit Types like the Command and Pilot, or even the "Fighter Jets" something along those lines. Then i'm all for it. As it stands not a whole lot of us have even gotten to the Prototype level. I can't even remember what we were testing this build. Laser Rifles? Active Scannes? Officer Salvage? imo we'd either need a wipe after every build or only when it's most effective that we start from the ground up.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.13 05:01:00 - [44] - Quote Free Healing wrote: I am only in favor of a Wipe when they give us MUCH more content during the next build. If all we're going to get is a new weapon or Map i'd rather not go through a new wipe. If they give us a new game mode, intergrated the Player Market, new Dropsuit Types like the Command and Pilot, or even the "Fighter Jets" something along those lines. Then i'm all for it. As it stands not a whole lot of us have even gotten to the Prototype level. I can't even remember what we were testing this build. Laser Rifles? Active Scannes? Officer Salvage? imo we'd either need a wipe after every build or only when it's most effective that we start from the ground up. Agreed. If the next build doesn't have much other than major fixes that address the bugs and glitches, then I don't see a point in the wipe.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.11.13 05:15:00 - [45] - Quote There will be some new items added, but main focus is fixing the current gameplay. Check out Ep #49 (Hanging with Wang) of Podside on iTunes.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.13 05:16:00 - [46] - Quote I don't see how a wipe would serve testing. We've been over the basic grind several times now and there is little more to be learned from it. We would just waste another 3-4 weeks getting to the point of testing the changes, and then have two weeks to thrash them all out. On the other hand have we ever seen a new build without a wipe? That's certainly worth testing in itself.
First Prophet Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 35	Posted - 2012.11.13 05:24:00 - [47] - Quote Now that we know the game will be in beta until next year. Wipe the hell out it. Started this build late because of technical issues, so I'm stuck behind everyone on sp. And the first few days in a new wiped build are the best.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.13 08:34:00 - [48] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Now that we know the game will be in beta until next year. Wipe the hell out it. Started this build late because of technical issues, so I'm stuck behind everyone on sp. And the first few days in a new wiped build are the best. What will you do when game goes live? The first week of a game with a release schedule stretching years is the "best" should be alarming, not celebrated.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.11.13 09:00:00 - [49] - Quote CCP has said that the last wipe was the last one before release unless they mess up the SP or economy in some way.
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.11.13 10:22:00 - [50] - Quote Wipe it. All of it. Corps aswell.

Heavenly Daughter CrimeWave Syndicate 71	Posted - 2012.11.13 10:37:00 - [51] - Quote It does need a wipe thats for sure, but I've seen requests for 5mil SP and 10Mil SP, how stupid. Fed up with grinding people, to much work for you all, everyone say Ahhhh. Wipe everything earned to date, SP , Salvage, Corps as well. In fact all items bought with transferred ISK can go too, Grrrr. EVERYTHING GOES, And we start from scratch, after all, These are just trials and I for one will want to try something new. We don't need 10 mil SP or even 5mil SP, you can do as you've done in the past and leave it at 1 million. Which in my opinion is more than enough to get started with. Denying the HUGH amounts of SP that people have asked for will stop them from simply moving into dominating vehicles off the bat, and EARN IT. !! I also think its about time that salvage sales and transfers came to be, wether it's to the market or corp as this really needs to be tested in depth. ! Another thing is , what about the AURUM items that I've bought that I know I will not need now like the dropsuit BPO, as next time I do not intend to purchase it. H.D
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.11.13 10:58:00 - [52] - Quote If we get everything wiped it will surely give new players a chance but do we need it ? After all he might have no interest in testing I agree with 5m SP wipes as they will both give new and existing players a chance. We Need to take this seriously if you are one of those shield+missile K/D noobs then GTFO we don't need you and your stupid suggestions at all.
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.11.13 11:25:00 - [53] - Quote A yes and no. Yes as in it will benefit new players who just started playing. No as in i worked my A** off to get the current fittings and ISK i have.
Cat Powers III ZionTCD Legacy Rising 17	Posted - 2012.11.13 11:49:00 - [54] - Quote I wouldn't mind it. I started playing around 5 weeks ago. My main has a total SP somewhere just over 2.5million. I feel like I'm just behind the curve as it seems a lot of players have prototype levels of some form. There seem to be a large group around 4-5million SP that have been around since whenever this "build" started. Maybe I went for too may LVL3 or LVL4 rather than pinpointing in on one or two specific skills. At the very least let us "respec" if the SP isn't reset. I learned a lot already and really know where I would have put my SP now. It would be nice to keep the salvage because I'm close to being able to use a chunk of mine. All the other assets might need to be wiped if they wanted to REALLY "undo" the EvE ISK transfers.
Darky Kuzarian Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2012.11.13 12:32:00 - [55] - Quote a wipe and a good amount of SP to start with
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 170	Posted - 2012.11.13 12:35:00 - [56] - Quote Personally I wouldn't mind a reset of a kind... not a full wipe.. Say: Reset ISK and items (store or salvage) Reset Skills Refund AUR and Merc Pack Items Give players their SP unallocated, or a set 5mil SP Give players 1mil ISK to start This would let us reallocate Beta / Merc Pack items, reuse AUR for startup, and reallocate skills according to our background knowledge over very short period of time (as we'd still have to earn ISK to get the skill books) and would let us recognize the changes that have taken place in the new build with our former skill sets and game mechanics / tactics.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.13 13:26:00 - [57] - Quote Que sera sera ... Whatever will be, will be ! Not like we're gonna change anyone's mind here, unofficial sources (the IRC) have said no wipe ... chances are that's what will happen. Though I'd like to get my Skinweave Heavy suit off my unused alt now that I only have 1 of them ... 3 was a much nicer number ;-)
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.13 13:33:00 - [58] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I would like a wipe, gets everyone back on an equal playing field (at least for a while). Yes give us a total destructive recovery wipe. Clean the disk space, format the hard drive. I'm bringing in some guys and would be easier if we all were on the same page. I have tons of good salvaged weapons, 5M SP, decent amount of ISK....but it is only fair. Doesn't make sense to wipe some and leave the skills, salvage, etc that will still give them an edge.
jpmannu Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 13	Posted - 2012.11.13 13:52:00 - [59] - Quote How can people hope for a wipe I really dont know how. We do have an SP cap that as far as now let me gain 4.6 million SP, and haven't got an advanced caldari assault dropsuit yet. What I reckon people like me are doing is to build up a character from the bottom, my way of thinking is to get LVL 3 and further caldari with enough skills to be competitive, like damage,sharpshooting, shields, mobility, endurance ect, and just now I'm starting to think to upgrade it. Do you understand that reaching LVL 5 from LVL 2 requires an enormous amount of points (it is an 8X skill) which as an average of 500k points per week due to the damn cap, it will take almost a month just to have that, AND, as a beta tester I would like to TEST advanced and prototype.This is not crying, its just how things should work out. Another wipe would be catastrophic. BYE
BUGSBUNNY LOONEY A.C.M.E Corp 7	Posted - 2012.11.13 14:06:00 - [60] - Quote yes

Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.11.13 14:11:00 - [61] - Quote If there's a wipe and no increase to SP gain, then it's goodbye until launch tbh. I cannot be arsed to grind up again especially after this last wipe/build. It's become such a chore and there's very little actual testing going on as people are still going for their main fits and not the weird and wonderful new things that have been added. All pure and simply because it takes too damn long. I have no issue with working/earning SP for weeks on end come launch and I understand they need to test this mechanic, but when it hinders all other aspects of TESTING the game, then it's a waste of time in my eyes.
Cody Sietz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 63	Posted - 2012.11.13 14:15:00 - [62] - Quote I haven't been here that long, but it wouldn't bother me either way. Of course, now that I have a better handle on the game it would be nice to chart my skills with a little more precision.
jpmannu Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 13	Posted - 2012.11.13 14:45:00 - [63] - Quote ...or a wipe, yes, but then a starting SP bonus, as stated, 5 mil or maybe 10, that would work...
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 170	Posted - 2012.11.13 15:03:00 - [64] - Quote Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote: If there's a wipe and no increase to SP gain, then it's goodbye until launch tbh. I cannot be arsed to grind up again especially after this last wipe/build. It's become such a chore and there's very little actual testing going on as people are still going for their main fits and not the weird and wonderful new things that have been added. All pure and simply because it takes too damn long. I have no issue with working/earning SP for weeks on end come launch and I understand they need to test this mechanic, but when it hinders all other aspects of TESTING the game, then it's a waste of time in my eyes. Good point made. We should have a wipe but give us back a daily cap reset so we can be earning like 200-300k per day, every day, and actually test the skills and gear... Like it was last build.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.13 15:47:00 - [65] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: It does need a wipe thats for sure, but I've seen requests for 5mil SP and 10Mil SP, how stupid. Fed up with grinding people, to much work for you all, everyone say Ahhhh. Wipe everything earned to date, SP , Salvage, Corps as well. In fact all items bought with transferred ISK can go too, Grrrr. EVERYTHING GOES, And we start from scratch, after all, These are just trials and I for one will want to try something new. We don't need 10 mil SP or even 5mil SP, you can do as you've done in the past and leave it at 1 million. Which in my opinion is more than enough to get started with. Denying the HUGH amounts of SP that people have asked for will stop them from simply moving into dominating vehicles off the bat, and EARN IT. !! I also think its about time that salvage sales and transfers came to be, wether it's to the market or corp as this really needs to be tested in depth. ! Another thing is , what about the AURUM items that I've bought that I know I will not need now like the dropsuit BPO, as next time I do not intend to purchase it. H.D Wipe corps? Lol, why are you scared? But anyway, a skill wipe hurts AV more than it hurts vehicles. In case you didn't notice, very few people get forge guns as their primary SP investment. In any event, why do you think we have not earned it? Many of us have grinded out prototype equipment many many times already. Honestly starting at 0 will barely test the game as it will actually play at all.
Mace Karren IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 24	Posted - 2012.11.13 16:12:00 - [66] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Yes/no. Id like to see isk stay, and sp too, but have them put all your sp into unallocated, so u can try new things w,/ the sp you have instead of starting from scratch AGAIN I think this would be good.
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.11.13 16:15:00 - [67] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: I am awfully tired of starting from zero. It's a beta. That we've all knowingly and willingly participated in to try and help get this game ready for launch. Complaining about a wipe is just... just... I don't even know what to say to that, to be honest.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.13 16:16:00 - [68] - Quote fahrenheitM wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: I am awfully tired of starting from zero. It's a beta. It doesn't help test. Since it IS a beta, there is no harm in just handing out enough SP to actually experiment.
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.11.13 16:18:00 - [69] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: fahrenheitM wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: I am awfully tired of starting from zero. It's a beta. there is no harm in just handing out enough SP to actually experiment. I agree! Try multiple things... but people are treating this as "their character and skill points that they've worked so hard for..."
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2012.11.13 17:07:00 - [70] - Quote SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing.

fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:35:00 - [71] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing. There are lots of people in prototype gear, already. You don't want everyone in prototype stuff... You want people in EVERY variation and level all at the same time so that it can all be tested with and against each other. Not just prototype vs prototype
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:58:00 - [72] - Quote fahrenheitM wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing. There are lots of people in prototype gear, already. You don't want everyone in prototype stuff... You want people in EVERY variation and level all at the same time so that it can all be tested with and against each other. Not just prototype vs prototype Incorrect. Prototype vs prototype balance is the crux of all balance decisions. Prototype vs militia is less important. Right now only those with the most skill have the best gear, horribly distorting any statistics gathered.
yavor theskillless 15	Posted - 2012.11.13 19:05:00 - [73] - Quote did they fix the ******* basics?
yavor theskillless 15	Posted - 2012.11.13 19:09:00 - [74] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: fahrenheitM wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing. There are lots of people in prototype gear, already. You don't want everyone in prototype stuff... You want people in EVERY variation and level all at the same time so that it can all be tested with and against each other. Not just prototype vs prototype Incorrect. Prototype vs prototype balance is the crux of all balance decisions. Prototype vs militia is less important. Right now only those with the most skill have the best gear, horribly distorting any statistics gathered. hate to tell you love your game is broke beyond beleif. what a **. you need sacking. anyway. shes dead btw. what a cow she was too. nasty ***.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 88	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:14:00 - [75] - Quote yes full wipe.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:24:00 - [76] - Quote Not really. I don't play that often so it would takes forever to re-skill. Ultimately, it is a hassle and I probably wouldn't play at all until release if they wiped progress. That said, the integrity of the game is more important than my laziness. If a wipe will truly help them test out DUST, then go for it.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:35:00 - [77] - Quote The new build is reported to be addressing the existing mechanics rather new content, so a wipe would be counter productive as it would alter the current play. We keep our skills and stuff and test it out with the new mechanics and see what happens.
yavor theskillless 15	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:43:00 - [78] - Quote fix the mouse, leave the skills. be a good test if anything. put me in with imperfects.
Richard Sebire Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:55:00 - [79] - Quote Quote: Do I want a wipe with the next build No If we get another wipe, you can say goodbye to most of this games players. Just open up your neocon, the next time you've got Dust loaded up, and ask that question in game. Everybody will either flame you now, or refer to Black Ops 2. It really does seem that there will be no other reward for being a beta tester of this game other than the SP and ISK we earn now. And there very little incentive to continue playing, if we just wiped before we can actually try new stuff. Zumari Assassin Ticker -1481
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2012.11.13 23:05:00 - [80] - Quote I wouldn't mind a wipe to see a few players out of their tanks and dropships for once. Seriously, I have fun playing this game with friends but another wipe on top of the SP cap does not give much incentive to play just to be wiped again. The SP cap has to go, at least for beta testing. Either that or we should get alot more SP at the start. Alot more starter SP would see alot more Alt characters being used.



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