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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.11.13 14:11:00 -
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If there's a wipe and no increase to SP gain, then it's goodbye until launch tbh.
I cannot be arsed to grind up again especially after this last wipe/build. It's become such a chore and there's very little actual testing going on as people are still going for their main fits and not the weird and wonderful new things that have been added. All pure and simply because it takes too damn long.
I have no issue with working/earning SP for weeks on end come launch and I understand they need to test this mechanic, but when it hinders all other aspects of TESTING the game, then it's a waste of time in my eyes. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.11.13 14:15:00 -
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I haven't been here that long, but it wouldn't bother me either way.
Of course, now that I have a better handle on the game it would be nice to chart my skills with a little more precision. |
jpmannu
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.11.13 14:45:00 -
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...or a wipe, yes, but then a starting SP bonus, as stated, 5 mil or maybe 10, that would work... |
Chankk Saotome
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:03:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:If there's a wipe and no increase to SP gain, then it's goodbye until launch tbh.
I cannot be arsed to grind up again especially after this last wipe/build. It's become such a chore and there's very little actual testing going on as people are still going for their main fits and not the weird and wonderful new things that have been added. All pure and simply because it takes too damn long.
I have no issue with working/earning SP for weeks on end come launch and I understand they need to test this mechanic, but when it hinders all other aspects of TESTING the game, then it's a waste of time in my eyes.
Good point made.
We should have a wipe but give us back a daily cap reset so we can be earning like 200-300k per day, every day, and actually test the skills and gear... Like it was last build. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:47:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:It does need a wipe thats for sure, but I've seen requests for 5mil SP and 10Mil SP, how stupid.
Fed up with grinding people, to much work for you all, everyone say Ahhhh.
Wipe everything earned to date, SP , Salvage, Corps as well. In fact all items bought with transferred ISK can go too, Grrrr.
EVERYTHING GOES, And we start from scratch, after all,
These are just trials and I for one will want to try something new. We don't need 10 mil SP or even 5mil SP, you can do as you've done in the past and leave it at 1 million. Which in my opinion is more than enough to get started with.
Denying the HUGH amounts of SP that people have asked for will stop them from simply moving into dominating vehicles off the bat, and EARN IT. !!
I also think its about time that salvage sales and transfers came to be, wether it's to the market or corp as this really needs to be tested in depth. !
Another thing is , what about the AURUM items that I've bought that I know I will not need now like the dropsuit BPO, as next time I do not intend to purchase it.
H.D
Wipe corps? Lol, why are you scared? But anyway, a skill wipe hurts AV more than it hurts vehicles. In case you didn't notice, very few people get forge guns as their primary SP investment. In any event, why do you think we have not earned it? Many of us have grinded out prototype equipment many many times already. Honestly starting at 0 will barely test the game as it will actually play at all. |
Mace Karren
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:12:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:Yes/no. Id like to see isk stay, and sp too, but have them put all your sp into unallocated, so u can try new things w,/ the sp you have instead of starting from scratch AGAIN
I think this would be good.
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fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:15:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I am awfully tired of starting from zero.
It's a beta. That we've all knowingly and willingly participated in to try and help get this game ready for launch.
Complaining about a wipe is just... just... I don't even know what to say to that, to be honest. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:16:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I am awfully tired of starting from zero. It's a beta.
It doesn't help test. Since it IS a beta, there is no harm in just handing out enough SP to actually experiment. |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:18:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I am awfully tired of starting from zero. It's a beta. there is no harm in just handing out enough SP to actually experiment.
I agree! Try multiple things... but people are treating this as "their character and skill points that they've worked so hard for..." |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:07:00 -
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SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing. |
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fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:35:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing.
There are lots of people in prototype gear, already.
You don't want everyone in prototype stuff... You want people in EVERY variation and level all at the same time so that it can all be tested with and against each other. Not just prototype vs prototype |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:58:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:Nomed Deeps wrote:SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing. There are lots of people in prototype gear, already. You don't want everyone in prototype stuff... You want people in EVERY variation and level all at the same time so that it can all be tested with and against each other. Not just prototype vs prototype
Incorrect. Prototype vs prototype balance is the crux of all balance decisions. Prototype vs militia is less important. Right now only those with the most skill have the best gear, horribly distorting any statistics gathered. |
yavor theskillless
15
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:05:00 -
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did they fix the ******* basics? |
yavor theskillless
15
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:09:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:Nomed Deeps wrote:SP is really hard to come by any more so when you're only getting 1K a match, you want to only apply that SP where it feels needed. I personally think the SP caps should be saved for release only. Afterall, how is the proto gear for everything ever supposed to be tested otherwise? Also, there's beyond proto stuff where you have to also have proficiency maxed to even equip some things; very few if any will be able to use those items during testing. If some things are falling through the cracks due to SP caps, then that kind of defeats the purpose of beta testing. There are lots of people in prototype gear, already. You don't want everyone in prototype stuff... You want people in EVERY variation and level all at the same time so that it can all be tested with and against each other. Not just prototype vs prototype Incorrect. Prototype vs prototype balance is the crux of all balance decisions. Prototype vs militia is less important. Right now only those with the most skill have the best gear, horribly distorting any statistics gathered. hate to tell you love your game is broke beyond beleif. what a ****. you need sacking. anyway.
shes dead btw. what a cow she was too. nasty *****. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:14:00 -
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yes full wipe. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:24:00 -
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Not really. I don't play that often so it would takes forever to re-skill. Ultimately, it is a hassle and I probably wouldn't play at all until release if they wiped progress.
That said, the integrity of the game is more important than my laziness. If a wipe will truly help them test out DUST, then go for it. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:35:00 -
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The new build is reported to be addressing the existing mechanics rather new content, so a wipe would be counter productive as it would alter the current play. We keep our skills and stuff and test it out with the new mechanics and see what happens. |
yavor theskillless
15
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:43:00 -
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fix the mouse, leave the skills. be a good test if anything. put me in with imperfects. |
Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:55:00 -
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Quote:Do I want a wipe with the next build No
If we get another wipe, you can say goodbye to most of this games players. Just open up your neocon, the next time you've got Dust loaded up, and ask that question in game. Everybody will either flame you now, or refer to Black Ops 2. It really does seem that there will be no other reward for being a beta tester of this game other than the SP and ISK we earn now. And there very little incentive to continue playing, if we just wiped before we can actually try new stuff.
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Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2012.11.13 23:05:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a wipe to see a few players out of their tanks and dropships for once. Seriously, I have fun playing this game with friends but another wipe on top of the SP cap does not give much incentive to play just to be wiped again. The SP cap has to go, at least for beta testing. Either that or we should get alot more SP at the start. Alot more starter SP would see alot more Alt characters being used. |
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