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Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.11.11 06:07:00 -
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It is my understanding, from experience with DCUO, that Sony does not allow Free To Play games to get trophies.
well, rather, there ARE trophies, but you cannot attain them without having some sort of recurring subscription to the game.
Example: In DCUO, there are a full set of Trophies. You qualify for them, but they do not register if you are a Free or Premium Tier player (If you spend 5 bucks in the Online Store, you get bumped to Premium automatically). However, upon subscripting to Legendary sub status, you attain all of the Trophies you are qualified for retroactively, and then as long as you remain subscribed, you continue to get new trophies going forward. if you drop your sub, you keep the trophies you already gained, but you cannot gain new ones.
Since Dust won't have a subscription at all, as far as we know, does that mean that we will not get trophies either?
or do you have an arrangement with Sony that allows you to provide trophies once the game launches? |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.11 06:31:00 -
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Most people that play video games in the new Trophies and Achievements era think that those Trophies and Achievements make them a good player. Upon completion of all of the available ones, the player will believe that they have "beat" the game and move on to a different game. I could go on and on about this being due to the "everyone is special" mentality that is so pervasive nowadays, but I won't.
Dust, due to its status as an MMOFPS (or something) does not need Trophies or Achievements. There are no "I beat the game" moments. It is not something that people would play, "beat", then move on to the next game. That is why there is so many new CoD's coming out, because they can't keep the playerbase they have now. The playerbase is used to getting new games. Instead, Dust will be introducing new content, instead of new games. There won't be a need for the Trophies, because if you are good at the game, it will show on the battlefield, not on your PS profile.
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Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.11.11 06:36:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:Most people that play video games in the new Trophies and Achievements era think that those Trophies and Achievements make them a good player. Upon completion of all of the available ones, the player will believe that they have "beat" the game and move on to a different game. I could go on and on about this being due to the "everyone is special" mentality that is so pervasive nowadays, but I won't.
Dust, due to its status as an MMOFPS (or something) does not need Trophies or Achievements. There are no "I beat the game" moments. It is not something that people would play, "beat", then move on to the next game. That is why there is so many new CoD's coming out, because they can't keep the playerbase they have now. The playerbase is used to getting new games. Instead, Dust will be introducing new content, instead of new games. There won't be a need for the Trophies, because if you are good at the game, it will show on the battlefield, no on your PS profile.
*edited bad grammar
I agree with some points, but not all.
don't mistake me though, I'm not a Platinum-*****. I know people who will play any crappy game there is, just to get the Platinum Trophy. I probably won't ever platinum a game, and if I do ever Platinum a game, you damn well better play it cause it's the KITTEN.
I was not saying that Dust NEEDS Trophies. I was merely asking if Dust would have them.
It was a curiosity. Nothing more.
and as an aside, as I mentioned earlier, DCUO is a MMORPG, and it has a full set of trophies, along with new content.
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thereal herbzula
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.11 06:38:00 -
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Excellent info in both posts. I agree with both posts. Only thing i have to add is if they put in something that was similar to Borderlands 2 and their baddass point system.
Something that just keeps tracks of stuff you do in the game, like revive people. Get a bronze for reviving 50 peeps.
Ect. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 07:42:00 -
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Guys, this game is related to sony, and is basically brought to you by them. Ofc their's ganna be trophies. |
Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.11.11 08:11:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Guys, this game is related to sony, and is basically brought to you by them. Ofc their's ganna be trophies.
true, but you can't quite say for certain.
it seems to be a general rule on the PS3, that Free games don't allow you to obtain trophies. generally there must be some sort of subscription in order for you to get trophies. this has been the case with their other 2 Free Games, DC Universe Online and Free Realms, both of which were created by Sony. and only offer trophies for monthly subscribers.
along with the games in Playstation Home, which are completely free and do not have trophies at all.
I've yet to hear of a subscription option for Dust. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.11 12:02:00 -
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If there are trophies, I hope there's one for winning the game, that can only be awarded for maxing out EVERY currently-existing skill at the time, and being CEO of a maximum-size Corp, and having control of more than 50% of every single planet in the game.
Because... why not? |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 12:12:00 -
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there are no trophies in eve, it will be unlikely there will be trophies in dust.
Stats are all that matter with CCP and having trophies would be irrelevant to where they want it to go (would probably be one on fo the least important things on their agenda).
the only kind of "trophies" I would like to see is the amount of kill streaks you get, favourite weapon etc. Stats based on awards for game by game play (5 kill streak etc) those would actually be useful in the game (recruitment etc) |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.11.11 12:13:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:If there are trophies, I hope there's one for winning the game, that can only be awarded for maxing out EVERY currently-existing skill at the time, and being CEO of a maximum-size Corp, and having control of more than 50% of every single planet in the game.
Because... why not?
this lol. would send trophy hunters mad :P |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.11.11 14:46:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:there are no trophies in eve, it will be unlikely there will be trophies in dust.
Stats are all that matter with CCP and having trophies would be irrelevant to where they want it to go (would probably be one on fo the least important things on their agenda).
the only kind of "trophies" I would like to see is the amount of kill streaks you get, favourite weapon etc. Stats based on awards for game by game play (5 kill streak etc) those would actually be useful in the game (recruitment etc) Yea, KillMails are more precious - for example when you kill tank with your friends one of you that made final kill will get KillMail which contains all the valuable information related to the fight you just made - who use what weapon and how many dmg he made, tank fiting, EHP, etc. |
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Kovinis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
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Posted - 2012.11.11 14:59:00 -
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I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
90
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Posted - 2012.11.11 15:30:00 -
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There's a good chance that trophies will be included because they're mandatory in PS3 games now, even the MMOs. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 15:36:00 -
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OgTheEnigma wrote:There's a good chance that trophies will be included because they're mandatory in PS3 games now, even the MMOs.
in what way are they mandatory? are you saying sony are forcing their games developers to add trophies? |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.11.11 15:49:00 -
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Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online
The certificates in eve don't mean jack. What they are is a basic skill planner. It's to help people new to the game avoid getting completely lost in trying to figure out the different skills and how they can work together. You used to have to ask others or figure it out yourself. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 15:52:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:OgTheEnigma wrote:There's a good chance that trophies will be included because they're mandatory in PS3 games now, even the MMOs. in what way are they mandatory? are you saying sony are forcing their games developers to add trophies? Yes, there are trophies in all PS3 games.
But it's true that in most cases free games get no trophies, but I believe there have been instances where free games got trophies.
I'm 100% for trophies, as there are a lot of players that will try out Dust if it has trophies that wouldn't do so if there weren't any.
Edit: In before "they'll try out Dust anyway because it's F2P". No, a lot of players won't. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 15:55:00 -
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Tyrus Four wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Guys, this game is related to sony, and is basically brought to you by them. Ofc their's ganna be trophies. true, but you can't quite say for certain. it seems to be a general rule on the PS3, that Free games don't allow you to obtain trophies. generally there must be some sort of subscription in order for you to get trophies. this has been the case with their other 2 Free Games, DC Universe Online and Free Realms, both of which were created by Sony. and only offer trophies for monthly subscribers. along with the games in Playstation Home, which are completely free and do not have trophies at all. I've yet to hear of a subscription option for Dust. DCU and Free Realms both support trophy, both free. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:05:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:DCU and Free Realms both support trophy, both free. DCUO and Free Realms both ONLY support trophies for subscribing players, and not for free-to-play people. DUST doesn't, at the moment, have any announced plans for a subscription option. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:05:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:OgTheEnigma wrote:There's a good chance that trophies will be included because they're mandatory in PS3 games now, even the MMOs. in what way are they mandatory? are you saying sony are forcing their games developers to add trophies?
Actually they do, and have for a few years now. Just in the same way that Microsoft has them [Publishers/Developers] make achievements. Not that it does not help sell video games. Fake or not people perceive and their own perceptions are very simple to fill.
The only games though unrequired of trophies are mini's, PlayStation Portable titles, PlayStation One and PlayStation2 original releases are the only titles known to not come with trophies. All remakes, and redone high definition models such as the re-released bundles are required by Sony to have trophies.
To answer though Dust514 will have trophies. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:11:00 -
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Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online
I like this idea here, if they do not make trophies to go into the sony trophy database this would be awesome to have. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:15:00 -
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Bronze trophies for basic certs, silver for standard, gold for elite, and a platinum for earning 10+ gold. That would be a pretty fair way to entice people to at least give the game a chance and get through the learning curve before deciding if they want to keep playing. |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:17:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote:Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online The certificates in eve don't mean jack. What they are is a basic skill planner. It's to help people new to the game avoid getting completely lost in trying to figure out the different skills and how they can work together. You used to have to ask others or figure it out yourself.
not true, some of them are, some of the elite certificates are a good thing to have. If certificates didn't mean jack to people, they wouldn't allow you to publish them public for all to see on your info |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:21:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote:Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online The certificates in eve don't mean jack. What they are is a basic skill planner. It's to help people new to the game avoid getting completely lost in trying to figure out the different skills and how they can work together. You used to have to ask others or figure it out yourself. not true, some of them are, some of the elite certificates are a good thing to have. If certificates didn't mean jack to people, they wouldn't allow you to publish them public for all to see on your info
Only someone who is new or not the brightest publishes their certificates to the public. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:26:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Bronze trophies for basic certs, silver for standard, gold for elite, and a platinum for earning 10+ gold. That would be a pretty fair way to entice people to at least give the game a chance and get through the learning curve before deciding if they want to keep playing. Actually the Platinum is awarded for getting all other trophies.
I believe the Platinum in itself hold no value, like Bronze, Silver and Gold trophies do.
Edit: And there are limits to how many and different trophies there can be, so if there are 10 Gold trophies, there can be pretty much no other trophies at all. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:27:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Bronze trophies for basic certs, silver for standard, gold for elite, and a platinum for earning 10+ gold. That would be a pretty fair way to entice people to at least give the game a chance and get through the learning curve before deciding if they want to keep playing. Actually the Platinum is awarded for getting all other trophies. I believe the Platinum in itself hold no value, like Bronze, Silver and Gold trophies do.
That's not the only way to get platinum. And EVERY trophy in a game like dust would literally take years. I think that's a bit to far, which is why I threw out a number like 10 golds. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:30:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote:Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online The certificates in eve don't mean jack. What they are is a basic skill planner. It's to help people new to the game avoid getting completely lost in trying to figure out the different skills and how they can work together. You used to have to ask others or figure it out yourself. not true, some of them are, some of the elite certificates are a good thing to have. If certificates didn't mean jack to people, they wouldn't allow you to publish them public for all to see on your info Only someone who is new or not the brightest publishes their certificates to the public.
that's a stupid statement. I could get way more useful information from kill logs |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:33:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Bronze trophies for basic certs, silver for standard, gold for elite, and a platinum for earning 10+ gold. That would be a pretty fair way to entice people to at least give the game a chance and get through the learning curve before deciding if they want to keep playing. Actually the Platinum is awarded for getting all other trophies. I believe the Platinum in itself hold no value, like Bronze, Silver and Gold trophies do. That's not the only way to get platinum. And EVERY trophy in a game like dust would literally take years. I think that's a bit to far, which is why I threw out a number like 10 golds.
I only have 1 platinum trophy, earned it from a $2.99 game. was like 3 bronze, 2 silver, 2 gold and a platinum. Unlocked the platinum from getting everything else. So thats one example of how platinum is earned only by getting all other trophies. However take Final Fantasy 13, it has a platinum trophy that is earned by owning every item and weapon in the game. Does not require all the other trophies, but basically in the time it takes to get you could have earned the others. So you are right |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:34:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Bronze trophies for basic certs, silver for standard, gold for elite, and a platinum for earning 10+ gold. That would be a pretty fair way to entice people to at least give the game a chance and get through the learning curve before deciding if they want to keep playing. Actually the Platinum is awarded for getting all other trophies. I believe the Platinum in itself hold no value, like Bronze, Silver and Gold trophies do. That's not the only way to get platinum. And EVERY trophy in a game like dust would literally take years. I think that's a bit to far, which is why I threw out a number like 10 golds. Yes it is? What other way is there?
So what if it takes years? That's only good, as the Platinum would be a sign that that person has all the trophies.
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Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:36:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote:Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online The certificates in eve don't mean jack. What they are is a basic skill planner. It's to help people new to the game avoid getting completely lost in trying to figure out the different skills and how they can work together. You used to have to ask others or figure it out yourself. not true, some of them are, some of the elite certificates are a good thing to have. If certificates didn't mean jack to people, they wouldn't allow you to publish them public for all to see on your info Only someone who is new or not the brightest publishes their certificates to the public. that's a stupid statement. I could get way more useful information from kill logs
Yes and no. Fitting information on someones losses or what they were killed by isn't an overall shower of their skills or what their certificates are. Since certs are only recommend for a ship. Not a requirement.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:36:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Bronze trophies for basic certs, silver for standard, gold for elite, and a platinum for earning 10+ gold. That would be a pretty fair way to entice people to at least give the game a chance and get through the learning curve before deciding if they want to keep playing. Actually the Platinum is awarded for getting all other trophies. I believe the Platinum in itself hold no value, like Bronze, Silver and Gold trophies do. That's not the only way to get platinum. And EVERY trophy in a game like dust would literally take years. I think that's a bit to far, which is why I threw out a number like 10 golds. Yes it is? What other way is there? So what if it takes years? That's only good, as the Platinum would be a sign that that person has all the trophies.
In my post above I just showed an example that does not require every trophy to get plat. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:39:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote:Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I don't want trophies - I want certificates, like in EVE Online The certificates in eve don't mean jack. What they are is a basic skill planner. It's to help people new to the game avoid getting completely lost in trying to figure out the different skills and how they can work together. You used to have to ask others or figure it out yourself.
not true, some of them are, some of the elite certificates are a good thing to have. If certificates didn't mean jack to people, they wouldn't allow you to publish them public for all to see on your info[/quote]
Only someone who is new or not the brightest publishes their certificates to the public.[/quote]
that's a stupid statement. I could get way more useful information from kill logs[/quote]
Yes and no. Fitting information on someones losses or what they were killed by isn't an overall shower of their skills or what their certificates are. Since certs are only recommend for a ship. Not a requirement. [/quote]
So tell me then, without looking at what I have killed with or been killed by and solely looking at my elite armor and shield certficates what kind of valuable info you have just recieved from me? Other than if you don't have that, you shouldn't face me. And solo doesnt happen often enough for that to even matter these days |
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