In my post above I just showed an example that does not require every trophy to get plat.

Actually they do, and have for a few years now. Just in the same way that Microsoft has them [Publishers/Developers] make achievements. Not that it does not help sell video games. Fake or not people perceive and their own perceptions are very simple to fill.

The only games though unrequired of trophies are mini's, PlayStation Portable titles, PlayStation One and PlayStation2 original releases are the only titles known to not come with trophies. All remakes, and redone high definition models such as the re-released bundles are required by Sony to have trophies.

To answer though Dust514 will have trophies.

not true, some of them are, some of the elite certificates are a good thing to have. If certificates didn't mean jack to people, they wouldn't allow you to publish them public for all to see on your info

PlayStation Home is an "application" and more precisely a social application. Thus does not require trophies. I'm still correct. Minis though are not "free", much less any game on or for the PlayStation3. Meaning there are only very few games that are "free".

You can't get trophies in any free-to-play MMOs that currently exist on PS3 without a subscription.

And Minis prove that not all games developed specifically for the PS3 have trophies.

Garrett, you did not read did you? I stated all titles in which Sony does not require the developer, or publisher to post trophies for games.

• PlayStation One - NOT a native PS3 game
• PlayStation2 - NOT a native PS3 game
• PlayStation Portable - NOT a native PS3 game
• Mini's
• Applications (Ex. PlayStation Home)

For the PlayStation One and PlayStation2 titles they must be original releases. Directly from disc rips that have not been touched or tampered with. Otherwise such as HD bundles, or re-releases (Ex. KILLZONE) are required to have trophies. Even the PlayStation Vita has trophy requirements.

Note the bit in bold where I point out why I wasn't mentioning those examples.

While Home itself may not technically be a game (even that's arguable though), there are games within PS Home which aren't subject to the requirement for trophies.

The native PS3 VERSIONS of PSOne and PS2 games are given trophy requirements, but they also, in most cases, cost more than Minis. Minis are the closest to free games that are regularly available on PSN, and they DON'T come with trophy requirements.

As far as I can tell, on my local Playstation Store, the only games available at no cost (not counting PS+ free games because those are only available for the duration of your subscription) are free-to-play MMOs at the moment. Neither of those games give players access to trophies UNLESS YOU'RE A PAYING SUBSCRIBER. Effectively, the free version of the game DOESN'T have trophies.

Some games have a free trial version and an unlock for the "full" version of the game. The trial versions either don't have trophies, or the trophies are locked until you purchase the game. Same deal. Free = no trophies.

I remember downloading a game that was free in the past, after trophies were introduced, which didn't have them, but I don't know if it was produced before trophies became a requirement or not. I DO know that there's precedent for free-to-play MMOs to NOT give players access to their trophies without a subscription, and I've heard that they did so because SONY WON'T ALLOW FREE GAMES TO HAVE TROPHIES. Same reason you can't earn any trophies in free trials of games.

I like the idea of CEO giving badges/medals to mercs. and I'm betting Dust will have it's own set of trophies, and I bet they'll even let us forum-goes pick what some are later.

DCU and Free Realms both support trophy, both free.

DCUO and Free Realms both ONLY support trophies for subscribing players, and not for free-to-play people. DUST doesn't, at the moment, have any announced plans for a subscription option.

Yes, there are trophies in all PS3 games.

But it's true that in most cases free games get no trophies, but I believe there have been instances where free games got trophies.

I'm 100% for trophies, as there are a lot of players that will try out Dust if it has trophies that wouldn't do so if there weren't any.

Edit: In before "they'll try out Dust anyway because it's F2P". No, a lot of players won't.

No, there are not trophies in all of their games. The "Greatest Hits" version of the original Assassins Creed for PS3 does not have trophies.

This. People don't read what I post, do they?

I myself was not arguing this, or your statement on that matter. Infact having gone through experience with both games myself I can concur that what you say is the truth; Both FreeRealms, and DC: Universe alike make you shell out a premium for their trophies, or to continue through the game -- FreeRealms. While DC: Universe allows you the freedom of leveling and playing for free you are not going to obtain achievments, or trophies for the game itself unless you become a premium member. However that said I feel Dust514 falls more under the lines of WoT (World of Tanks) in which it is totally free, and only shortcuts, and minor aestheticals are allocated to your account via a premium. I could certainly see Dust514 being the first complete free-to-play game in both the North American and Euro Zone areas. I cannot speak for the Asian, or more precisely the Japanese side because, they have several free-to-play MMO themed games in which have never left their borders. Including and forgive my anger a Gundam title which is free-to-play. The rat bastards...

This is no Zaku, boy!

Anyway. No, I totally agree with your statement on the matter. However again "trophies" themselves mean something different persons to persons. So if you are like me and do not necessarily need trophies to play your game(s) then you can easily pick-up and play DC: Universe with ease. However FreeRealms is a lot like that of WoW (World of Warcraft) in which it has a level cap hindering you from actually playing the game. Even though it is trying to sell itself as a free-to-play game, it is only half correct. Seeing how the vast majority of the game is locked from you.

What is the reason for not allowing free games to have trophies?

It is up to the developer, and/or publisher. All they have to do is meet Sony's trophy requirement. If they use them as an incentive to make you a subscriber, or premium member that is up to them [developer/publisher]. Still it is just there way of making you want to pay for their game in some form. It may be a free-to-play model, but it has the infamous freemium attached to it for a reason. Never forget it is about making money first and foremost.

Pretty sure this isn't true, because if it was, at least SOME devs would include one or two bronze trophies in their trial version game and so far, NONE have done so. I've heard from a few different sources that sony don't allow trial and content locked "free" games to have trophies because that would encourage players to collect free content to boost their trophy level. It's treated as a legitimate "leaderboard" of sorts by Sony. There have also been cases where they've banned players when it can be proven that the person got multiplayer trophies by unfair means - usually when several players are provably working together against the rest in FFA modes (or are stupid enough to admit to it, as I've seen and reported and been abused by an alt after the player in question got banned), or when players from different teams work together in team games to arrange for a specific person to get a trophy.