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SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.09 19:09:00 - [1] - Quote I've been trying to build up the sniper skills(Light Weapon) and so forth. but, is it my imagination with every skill upgrade it goes BACKWARDS? I've been using the hell out of the Tactical Sniper rifle and every time I do a upgrade in the skills it goes backwards. I use to be able to hit a head shot in 1 hit. Now, Maybe 2 or even 3 Body shots use to be 1-2 now it's 3-4 hits or NONE. I can unload(27 bullets) my weapon on a person and it'll just flash their armor. I could be sitting 50yrds away and NOTHING! Not even a scratch was detected. Am I missing something here or am I F-d cause I updated the light weapon skills.
L0k1 St0rmbr1ng3r D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 2	Posted - 2012.11.09 19:33:00 - [2] - Quote I am also having similar problems with sniper hit detection as well. I've been using the ps3 move controllers and thought it might have been something to do with that but as your post suggests that's not likely the case. I've shot at other players as close as a 100m away and my weapon has no effect. It makes no difference what map I play on or where I snipe from or what rifle I use.
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.09 19:58:00 - [3] - Quote I'm beginning to notice the assault rifle as well. Here's a good example. This person ran past me while I was ducked around the corner. Running to hack Long cannon C. I followed that person up behind him. Just as he started to hack long cannon C. I scoped in. Shot'em point blank range in the HEAD. It only took half his shields. I had to shoot'em again before he could return fire. Ridiculous!
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 168	Posted - 2012.11.11 22:46:00 - [4] - Quote I've noticed something similar with the HMG. Normally, I see troopers melt under the hail of fire, but sometimes, I'll get a nice spray on someone and, even though I see the orange X indicating hits, no damage. I've also had one occasion where an assault player and I caught each other and we just streamed each other. We both started with full armor and shields and started firing at the same time. Through the whole 3 seconds, neither of us missed. I died but he still had just over half his shields when he ran off. I get that his AR did 2.5 to 3 times the damage per round, but I'm firing 5 times faster. My total armor+shields is around 950. I'm pretty sure assaults are half, or less that. Also. I've had occasions where I've seen a hit register with my Forge but no damage. So this issue is probably happening with all weapons, it's just more noticeable with sniper rifles and scrambler pistols. Though I must say I've never seen splash damage miss or not register.
Swufy Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 70	Posted - 2012.11.11 23:40:00 - [5] - Quote As Shijima Kuraimaru says, it might be happening with all weapons but more noticeable with sniper rifles because every bullet can be counted and tracked. From what I've noticed, the detection is dependent upon the target. I've been in matches where certain people are immune to my sniper rounds, even if they're standing still. I shot one guy 5 times, no damage. Shot the guy next to him and he died normally. Went back to first target, still no damage. Could be latency related except that the person is standing still calling in a vehicle or something. I also thought it might be that I was barely shooting over cover (my side), but that doesn't explain why I can hit the neighbor. All I have to go on is it only doesn't hit certain players during matches. Not accusing of cheating, just thinking latency.
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.12 02:54:00 - [6] - Quote Well peep this. Me and this other guy was sitting over on the other side of the map. Squatted down behind some mull hills. This guy was just standing there on top of the mountain side. I started shooting. Round after round after round after round. Nothing but a shield flash. This from a NT-511 Sniper rifle. The guy next to me shot once and put'em down. Using just a regular Sniper Rifle(Not Militia Sniper Rifle).
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.11.12 06:39:00 - [7] - Quote They're working on the hit detection. Apparently it's a complicated problem. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=361840 Edit: A way I've found to hit the occasional 'invincible' merc is to lower your scope and change your position.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 49	Posted - 2012.11.12 08:20:00 - [8] - Quote This is the reason I rarely snipe anymore. every time i shoot at another sniper i usually get those blue shields and he hits me back. even worse is that some of these snipers know they can't get hit so they don't even move.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.11.12 09:32:00 - [9] - Quote L0k1 St0rmbr1ng3r wrote: I am also having similar problems with sniper hit detection as well. I've been using the ps3 move controllers and thought it might have been something to do with that but as your post suggests that's not likely the case. I've shot at other players as close as a 100m away and my weapon has no effect. It makes no difference what map I play on or where I snipe from or what rifle I use. You are onto something there. I'm being easily picked off by militia sniper rifles, where my proto riffle maybe get a kill once every two clips, despite the enemy shield flaring up. Their shield indicator doesn't lower either. Things have gotten worse as I've skilled up, and I thought it might be the other players having better suits, or using suits where this problem was more pronounced.
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.12 15:03:00 - [10] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: A way I've found to hit the occasional 'invincible' merc is to lower your scope and change your position. I've tried that. Full 31 rounds from head to toe. up, down, move, strife. I even went as far as to run up closer to 50yrds and try. :\| I finally got one hit in and someone else picked him/her off. Leaving me empty and only 25 points to show for it. EXCITING!

SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.12 18:45:00 - [11] - Quote Here's another one for'ya. MAP - 4 Long Cannons Mountain side - Looking over Long Cannon B / Supply Depot I seen these 3 snipers perched up top on the side of the mountain. I moved my way along the side for them no to see me. I worked myself up to the top on their left side. I tossed a Locus Grenade in the middle of them. Now remember they were ALL together in a huddle looking over the Supply Depot / Long Cannon B. When that grenade went off. ONLY the MIDDLE GUY was KILLED. Not a scratch to the other 2. LAME!
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.15 16:16:00 - [12] - Quote Any word on getting this fixed yet? It's really annoying. And for some ppl that think it's cause of your cover. WRONG! Try squating in the middle of the field and get the same results. And to top that off, Do it only 50+- yrds away and get that same result.
Wintars Boar ZionTCD Legacy Rising 64	Posted - 2012.11.16 02:12:00 - [13] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: They're working on the hit detection. Apparently it's a complicated problem. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=361840 Edit: A way I've found to hit the occasional 'invincible' merc is to lower your scope and change your position. ^^ usually works. Drop scope, stand up, shuffle step, crouch, aim and see. 90% this works. Not once have I seen shield flash and had resolve with concurrent shots. If you see shield flash move on. Don't waste the ammo
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.16 14:29:00 - [14] - Quote Been there done that. You just don't realize how much sht I've tried to shoot someone. I've actually got this result from a guy that was running after me on top of a building, Only 10 feet away* It's costing me ISK. I've unloaded my whole magazine's on a person and they turn around and shoot me in one shot. HIGH END Sniper rifles aint cheap. Especially when you don't get much ISK at the end of the match cause you can't hit the other(pardon my french) a--holes. Seems to me, I have to suffer cause they have shty connection or the connection is shty. You tell me. Let's take this for example here. Me and a guy named something like hell night. This guy was periodically hitting me. I'm returning fire. NOTHING. NOT A DAMN SCRATCH. So, for him not to blow me away. I'm moving across the map. Avoiding others and returning fire when I can. He hits me, I TRY and RETURN FIRE, NOTHING, NOT A SCRATCH!. So I'm down to 2 bars of the Armor and one more shot from him would of done me in. With my Last bullet of 31 rounds with the Kalakiota Tactical sniper rifle, I got'em. This whole time I was shooting him you can see his shield just flash. Only a few rounds didn't hit'em cause of the color. You would see brown. Meaning dirt dust or what ever they portray it as. Meaning I hit the ground in front of him. Seriously frustrating!
FTwelve BurgezzE.T.F 34	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:06:00 - [15] - Quote Yes, this is an annoying problem for snipers. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that 1 in every 3 to 5 targets this happens. That means the few potential kills minus. Killing a player hacking a letter could also change the tide of battle so this is a major problem. And as pointed out before this problem also gets you killed when you shouldn't by counter fire or as mentioned above.
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.17 14:59:00 - [16] - Quote Not to mention just the balance of the tides in general. Many of times I could have helped my team succeed in advancing forward. But NOOOOOO. Can't even hit'em or kill'em. SHIELD FLASH AFTER SHIELD FLASH AFTER SHIELD FLASH AFTER SHIELD FLASH AFTER SHIELD FLASH.......
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.21 18:14:00 - [17] - Quote This is seriously getting to be a bunch of BULLSHT!!!.. I'm tired of dying cause the other F-ker has shtty connection. FIX THE F-ING HIT DETECTION DAMN IT!!!...
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.11.21 18:39:00 - [18] - Quote Holy moly, I was wondering on my own before how I found it easier to kill people with my alt which has ONLY weapon skills being Light Sharpshooter lvl2 and AR lvl2. Regarded that as only my imagination or the casused by that reds consider militia suit target with unknown name low threat... That char uses AR (basic and blindfire)
Hadlii Mur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2012.11.21 20:04:00 - [19] - Quote Swufy wrote: As Shijima Kuraimaru says, it might be happening with all weapons but more noticeable with sniper rifles because every bullet can be counted and tracked. From what I've noticed, the detection is dependent upon the target. I've been in matches where certain people are immune to my sniper rounds, even if they're standing still. I shot one guy 5 times, no damage. Shot the guy next to him and he died normally. Went back to first target, still no damage. Could be latency related except that the person is standing still calling in a vehicle or something. I also thought it might be that I was barely shooting over cover (my side), but that doesn't explain why I can hit the neighbor. All I have to go on is it only doesn't hit certain players during matches. Not accusing of cheating, just thinking latency. This is exactly why I don't run snipers. I want to, but they're practically useless because they never hit, even when the target is still. I get so furious when 5 bullets to the head won't even bring his shields down.
DrTerror PHD Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.11.21 20:33:00 - [20] - Quote I thought I was alone with this problem. I've learned that if after my first shot I do no damage and blue shield flashes I just relocate and choose a different target. I feel that playing sniper is not worth it anymore :/ is it just me or do sniper riffles do less damage on top of having less ammo than before the update?

SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.11.22 00:09:00 - [21] - Quote DrTerror PHD; No, It's not you. It's complete BULLSHT. And it isn't only on snipers. Like the guy above this post said. It happens to all hand held weapons I've noticed. It's more clear on Sniper Rifles cause you can track the bullet. I've unloaded a whole clip(60 BULLETS) into some one "5 FEET AWAY "and they turned around and killed me in a few hits. IT'S COMPLETE BULLSHT!!!...
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.12.02 16:19:00 - [22] - Quote This always pisses me off too. I try to snipe some people, it SHOWS the blue thing of their shield being hit, but they receive zero damage. This happens to me like 60% of time and its well and truly pissing me off. Kinda makes the sniper proficiency 4 and using the most expensive sniper ingame completely worthless.
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.12.02 16:58:00 - [23] - Quote lol, I've done made a DUP of my drop suit and keep just a Tactical sniper rifle in it cause of this crap. I feel if I'm gonna get blown away faster then you can blow out a candle, why keep the best sh*t in your items... It's truly frustrating and aggravating! Many of times I would of been on top of the score board at the end of the match. But, noooooo sorry can't do that. No you can't kill that a-hole or that one or that one you can maybe kill this one. Ooooops, sorry, you're only aloud one hit on that person.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.12.02 19:35:00 - [24] - Quote SubZero DeZigns wrote: lol, I've done made a DUP of my drop suit and keep just a Tactical sniper rifle in it cause of this crap. I feel if I'm gonna get blown away faster then you can blow out a candle, why keep the best sh*t in your items... It's truly frustrating and aggravating! Many of times I would of been on top of the score board at the end of the match. But, noooooo sorry can't do that. No you can't kill that a-hole or that one or that one you can maybe kill this one. Ooooops, sorry, you're only aloud one hit on that person. When sniping you have to lead targets do to lag, as soon as codex dropped I had to shoot slightly behind targets to actually hit them. If you snipe someone when while they are standing still, there is really nothing you can do about that though, just ignore them and move on to someone else.
SubZero DeZigns Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2012.12.02 20:01:00 - [25] - Quote Finn Kempers wrote: sniper proficiency 4 24 thousand away from getting that one checked off. If the servers play nice I'll have this in no time. Sleepy Zan; I understand what you're saying but, that aint it. Try standing above 4 players on the ledge of one of them towers. Shoot ALL 4 PLAYERS and get blue flash. No damage, none, not a nick and then have them turn around and kill you faster then you can blink an eye. Complete frustration is all I can say. Edit: N/M Looks like I won't be seeing any upgrades today. Damn servers are acting up now. Edit2: Holly bagebus.... SP 777.300 for LVL 5. Gonna take me 2 weeks to reach that one. When the SP gets down to the 2 digit income I'll be back Wednesday
Dissonant Zan 157	Posted - 2012.12.03 01:38:00 - [26] - Quote SubZero DeZigns wrote: Sleepy Zan; I understand what you're saying but, that aint it. Try standing above 4 players on the ledge of one of them towers. Shoot ALL 4 PLAYERS and get blue flash. No damage, none, not a nick and then have them turn around and kill you faster then you can blink an eye. Complete frustration is all I can say. Yeah unfortunately there is no way you can play without finding frustration. Wish I could help you but no advice I can give really.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 213	Posted - 2012.12.11 04:00:00 - [27] - Quote A lot of the hit detection problems for snipers comes from clipping problems with your own cover. I dont know why the sheilds flash but you are not doing damage becuase you are hitting terrain in front of you. Most of the time. Shields will also flash if you miss the target just bearly rounds seem to skip off the sheild. And finnaly hit detection is scetchy for what seems like one in every ten rounds. Could be why ar seem so op compared to higher volume guns and why suits with large tanks seem to be ten times more powerful this build.
Heavenly Daughter CrimeWave Syndicate 71	Posted - 2012.12.23 16:09:00 - [28] - Quote I though this hit detection problem had been addressed, 2 build back I was sniping. Now I've taken it up 3 days ago to find the same old problem still exists, just what is it that they cannot have addressed by now. ! Reading some of the previous post I understand your frustrations, even now, at level 3 sniper and level 3 sharpshooter i'm seeing the typical blue flash of the shield. Come on CCP, it really is time you got this one sorted out. I do not believe that it's a clipping problem and hitting the ground especially when so much care is taken to make your shot just over the terrain anyway. H.D


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