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EnglishSnake wrote:

BobThe843CakeMan wrote:

EnglishSnake wrote:

BobThe843CakeMan wrote:

I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why

I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield.

CCP you need to fix this.

Bad tank driver complains that his fail fit cant even kill a basic milita tank lol

Sica even with 6k in shields is still 6k with no resist mods at all and is easy to pop in general

as usual haters going to hate. i flank him first of all. so i know how to kill. This is my point of a armor tank being to weak. As usual a noob continues to say crap he has nvr used. Like i tell everyone. Don't say **** unless u have used an armor tank. So please stick with ur shield tanks and dropships and say how i suck because of how underpowered armor tanks are. U HAVE NO IDEA. Ask anyone they will tell u a sica can kill a surya no problem. Reason being it can 3 shot my tank not considering the forge gunner apprently and the i have a blaster which btw not effective vs shields. put fact of the matter is tht i should have easily won or ccp has failed armor tanks. I read ur threads and i like them but all i here u say is how overpowered missiles are. Why don't u use this to ur advantage instead of being a useless preson saying i suck. btw i kill tanks no problem with my gunlogi. i nvr lose a fight unless it's to a sagaris.

Thank u for reading.

A blaster rips through shields

6k sica has no resists or boosters and if you had gunners thats more damage

Ive used armor tanks so your wrong but i dont use em because i already know how unbalanced they are, the current situation is shield + missiles tank and AV is the forge gun because its more effective against shields, if you use anything else tbh your doing it wrong because its not worth it

The community complained enough and armor and hybrids got ****** leaving shield and missiles to take centre stage

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BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.06 19:08:00 - [1] - Quote I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.11.06 19:22:00 - [2] - Quote a topic that not only beat the horse, but used necromancy to bring it back just so it could be beaten again. the horse is dead. CCP loves shield tankers over armor and nothing can change that.
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.06 19:25:00 - [3] - Quote i know but i still have hope. I will keep doing this as long as it is in beta. :D
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 634	Posted - 2012.11.06 19:29:00 - [4] - Quote This isn't proof of anything. But yeah, armor tanks are kind of screwed right now because missiles are out of control.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.06 20:52:00 - [5] - Quote Can't agree more. Last time I used tanks I used the Caldari ones, and I decided to try something new and spec for Gallente ones this time. That was a mistake.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:07:00 - [6] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. Dude. There are no armor hardners. Armor tanks are basically tanked dude. With shield tanks you have 30% shield resistance. That and missiles are like Zeus lightning bolt. It does 30% more damage on armor. Thats why I moved from armor tanks to shield tanks. The only thing armor tanks are good for now is surving 2 or more OBS. Other than that its useless.
DJINN Riot 63	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:49:00 - [7] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. Rockets vs Shields not so good.
DJINN Riot 63	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:50:00 - [8] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. How many armor repariers?
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.06 22:37:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN Riot wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. How many armor repariers? 2 repair units were on and i had a blaster with 2 missile gunners. Also to the other guy a sica with 6-7 k shield will not have a hardener. :) Edit: i also had a shield rep on.
ECHO PACK Wraith Shadow Guards 45	Posted - 2012.11.06 23:37:00 - [10] - Quote they need to give armor the abilitie to repair itself the same way shields do

J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:27:00 - [11] - Quote Or make armor have some other inherent bonus, equal to the shield regeneration quality. Perhaps armor should have a greater natural resistance than shields, add that to armor hardeners and boom! Armor is viable.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:39:00 - [12] - Quote I know who took you down, but you didn't get a 1 up on him, he had a forge with him taking you down. I've also seen this militia tank kill 2 gunnlogi's and a dropship in a single game, this person knows how to fit vehicles and knows how to use them. and this is mostly a QQ thread i'm thinking cause you spent over a mill just on that hull and it died to a either better fit tank or better team of players... Armor needs hardeners but idk about the more natural resists as JJordawg stated above. The armor tanks are pretty good in the right hands, even with the current bias to shields on everything else.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:41:00 - [13] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: DJINN Riot wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. How many armor repariers? 2 repair units were on and i had a blaster with 2 missile gunners. Also to the other guy a sica with 6-7 k shield will not have a hardener. :) Edit: i also had a shield rep on. that's fail fit... Why waste the CPU PG with shield modules on a Armor Tank?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:25:00 - [14] - Quote This is because there's already anti-armor weaponry, but not much as far as anti-shield weaponry. Right now at least, armor tanks are more likely to survive against a railgun- railguns do the same amount of damage to shields as armor, armor tanks are at an advantage in that situation due to simply having a higher total "health" than shield tanks. Just an example using numbers that ARE NOT 100% ACCURATE- just roughly from what I remember And Onikuma (shield) has (very) roughly 700 shields and 300 armor- that's about 1000 total "health" A Baloch (armor) has (very) roughly 200 shields and 1000 armor- that's about 1200 total "health" If people start using railguns and large blasters more often, shields will be at a disadvantage.
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:44:00 - [15] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: I know who took you down, but you didn't get a 1 up on him, he had a forge with him taking you down. I've also seen this militia tank kill 2 gunnlogi's and a dropship in a single game, this person knows how to fit vehicles and knows how to use them. and this is mostly a QQ thread i'm thinking cause you spent over a mill just on that hull and it died to a either better fit tank or better team of players... Armor needs hardeners but idk about the more natural resists as JJordawg stated above. The armor tanks are pretty good in the right hands, even with the current bias to shields on everything else. rly i didn't see the forge gunner. Although i still whouldn't lose tht easily. i mean tht was still a proto vs milita fight. even if the forge had sgot me twice i still had the backs of u all. Lol he players were good but the build can't get any better everything i had was to the max and i had the mt health possible with the tank. I think it was all u guys around the tank with ARs Lol.
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:46:00 - [16] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: DJINN Riot wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. How many armor repariers? 2 repair units were on and i had a blaster with 2 missile gunners. Also to the other guy a sica with 6-7 k shield will not have a hardener. :) Edit: i also had a shield rep on. that's fail fit... Why waste the CPU PG with shield modules on a Armor Tank? ur a fail because i use it in order to survive more swarms. also i get more health from this than just armor. 10,600 armor does not beat 2,600 shield plus 8.700 armor with reps. so there ur answer. : btw 10,600 is the max armor u can have with at least having 2 reps. 1 rep is just suicide. Lol.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.11.07 03:12:00 - [17] - Quote fail fit tbh but yea OT armor needs love been sayin this since last build shields **** all over armor atm
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.07 03:22:00 - [18] - Quote i have a 10,600 armor tank and quite frankly it SUCKS compared to my shield armor one. It does in every way. slower more damage to swarms. and lower health. i know how to fit a tank. but yea armor gets no love compared to shields. Lol
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.11.07 12:51:00 - [19] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. Bad tank driver complains that his fail fit cant even kill a basic milita tank lol Sica even with 6k in shields is still 6k with no resist mods at all and is easy to pop in general
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.11.07 13:03:00 - [20] - Quote Has anybody tried shooting armour tanks with AR's this build?. I have and was gob smacked tbh. A corp mate pulled a Madrugar against me so for lols I laid into it with my AR. To my astonishment I put one clip into him, that was the last of his shields gone and the next clip took off a quarter of his armour. Granted it probably wasn't the best fit but that's besides the point tbh. I'm pretty sure small arms fire should not do this to a vehicle. It was only a basic AR too with no damage mods. If you see an armour tank about try it for yourself to check it wasn't something weird going. I know my corp mate went shield tank after that fight lol, not surprising hehe.

BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.07 21:25:00 - [21] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. Bad tank driver complains that his fail fit cant even kill a basic milita tank lol Sica even with 6k in shields is still 6k with no resist mods at all and is easy to pop in general as usual haters going to hate. i flank him first of all. so i know how to kill. This is my point of a armor tank being to weak. As usual a noob continues to say crap he has nvr used. Like i tell everyone. Don't say **** unless u have used an armor tank. So please stick with ur shield tanks and dropships and say how i suck because of how underpowered armor tanks are. U HAVE NO IDEA. Ask anyone they will tell u a sica can kill a surya no problem. Reason being it can 3 shot my tank not considering the forge gunner apprently and the i have a blaster which btw not effective vs shields. put fact of the matter is tht i should have easily won or ccp has failed armor tanks. I read ur threads and i like them but all i here u say is how overpowered missiles are. Why don't u use this to ur advantage instead of being a useless preson saying i suck. btw i kill tanks no problem with my gunlogi. i nvr lose a fight unless it's to a sagaris. Thank u for reading.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.11.08 12:56:00 - [22] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. Bad tank driver complains that his fail fit cant even kill a basic milita tank lol Sica even with 6k in shields is still 6k with no resist mods at all and is easy to pop in general as usual haters going to hate. i flank him first of all. so i know how to kill. This is my point of a armor tank being to weak. As usual a noob continues to say crap he has nvr used. Like i tell everyone. Don't say ** unless u have used an armor tank. So please stick with ur shield tanks and dropships and say how i suck because of how underpowered armor tanks are. U HAVE NO IDEA. Ask anyone they will tell u a sica can kill a surya no problem. Reason being it can 3 shot my tank not considering the forge gunner apprently and the i have a blaster which btw not effective vs shields. put fact of the matter is tht i should have easily won or ccp has failed armor tanks. I read ur threads and i like them but all i here u say is how overpowered missiles are. Why don't u use this to ur advantage instead of being a useless preson saying i suck. btw i kill tanks no problem with my gunlogi. i nvr lose a fight unless it's to a sagaris. Thank u for reading. A blaster rips through shields 6k sica has no resists or boosters and if you had gunners thats more damage Ive used armor tanks so your wrong but i dont use em because i already know how unbalanced they are, the current situation is shield + missiles tank and AV is the forge gun because its more effective against shields, if you use anything else tbh your doing it wrong because its not worth it The community complained enough and armor and hybrids got **** leaving shield and missiles to take centre stage
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.11.08 13:00:00 - [23] - Quote There is alot wrong with armor tanks 1st and foremost Shiled tanks have a passive regen. Shield tanks done use armor, once their shields are gone its one hit and they are down same with armor tanks, armor tanks dont use shields...1 hit and ur shields are gone This is a problem because shield tanks have a high passive regen to their main defense aka shields whereas armor has no passive regen. One way to fix this is to give Armor rep mods a higher rep rate than they do now Another fix is to fix Remote Armor Reps, The cooldown should NOT be 60 secs thats too high. If shield tanks are the "solo" attack minded style tanks then armor tanks need to be beefy on defense stuff since realistically slappin dmg mods on an armor tank lowers ur defense while it doesnt do the same on a shield tank. Armor is already slower than shields CCP cant just simply try and balance the 2 by making both their resist mods, rep mods equal because shield will always be better.
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 132	Posted - 2012.11.08 20:52:00 - [24] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I know people have said this before but no one proved it. ARMOR TANKS SUCK. Here is why I have a surya and 2 gunners with mics and i come up behind a SICA completely catch him off gaurd and he mureders me with 25% shield left. i think 6-7k base. Me with my 11K health PROTO tank loses to a MILITA sica u know there is a problem. I can't even imagine a sagaris or what tht would do to an armor tank. Keep in mnd my tank had 8,300 armor and 2,700 shield. CCP you need to fix this. Bad tank driver complains that his fail fit cant even kill a basic milita tank lol Sica even with 6k in shields is still 6k with no resist mods at all and is easy to pop in general as usual haters going to hate. i flank him first of all. so i know how to kill. This is my point of a armor tank being to weak. As usual a noob continues to say crap he has nvr used. Like i tell everyone. Don't say ** unless u have used an armor tank. So please stick with ur shield tanks and dropships and say how i suck because of how underpowered armor tanks are. U HAVE NO IDEA. Ask anyone they will tell u a sica can kill a surya no problem. Reason being it can 3 shot my tank not considering the forge gunner apprently and the i have a blaster which btw not effective vs shields. put fact of the matter is tht i should have easily won or ccp has failed armor tanks. I read ur threads and i like them but all i here u say is how overpowered missiles are. Why don't u use this to ur advantage instead of being a useless preson saying i suck. btw i kill tanks no problem with my gunlogi. i nvr lose a fight unless it's to a sagaris. Thank u for reading. A blaster rips through shields 6k sica has no resists or boosters and if you had gunners thats more damage Ive used armor tanks so your wrong but i dont use em because i already know how unbalanced they are, the current situation is shield + missiles tank and AV is the forge gun because its more effective against shields, if you use anything else tbh your doing it wrong because its not worth it The community complained enough and armor and hybrids got ** leaving shield and missiles to take centre stage I agree with ur statement. although don't get a suyra if u have a maudger. Lol trust me not worth it wat so ever i meant 1,000 more armor looks cooler but it does **. Lol
Ops Fox ZionTCD Legacy Rising 197	Posted - 2012.11.08 23:49:00 - [25] - Quote Why are you in a armor tank at all? Shields tanks are faster, more versitile, and work well with other mods. Clearly CCP intend for armor tanks to have the exact same Hp as shields but are slower and cant automatically recover. Really though a 15% buff to armor resistance should equall out passive regen, most ST rely on booster to regen thier shields the passive stats only cpunt for 15 to 20% of the regen. So making armor more able to keep its HP where as shields can more able gain in HP sounds balance. Also adding modules that support AT wouldnt hurt CCP
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.11.11 22:13:00 - [26] - Quote I've gone over this in all imbalance threads Armor>Shields. This is the way I see things the more armor you have the resistant it becomes (how can an AR pierce my 350mm armor?) shield takes damage from every projectile unless it uses hardeners Shield penetration < important thing here And finally AV Flux nades. This IS a required change CCP.


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