1. u find alot of missile tankers just sit up on their redzone and spam missiles across the map and pickup free kills
free kills = bad for gameplay

I really like this idea. The redzone around the enemy deployment right now just feels artificial.

"Why is my clone self-destructing here?"

The end result would be much like a POS shield in Eve. Although, I think some of this problem is created by the fact that missiles have unlimited range.

Personally, I would just kill the redzone and allow a way for the enemy side to choose to end the game through a vote or something. Routing the enemy is a real thing in battle why not here.

So the infamous redzone
its a problem

1. u find alot of missile tankers just sit up on their redzone and spam missiles across the map and pickup free kills
free kills = bad for gameplay

2. Snipers also do the said above tactic

Proposed Fix:
Remove the redline and instead implement a Planetside 2 Force Field around your deployment zone where attackers cant shoot in and defenders cant be cheap and shoot out to get free kills with vehicles or sniping.

Thoughts?

PS: once the bigger maps arrive with the planetary conquest mode and we are in charge of the MCC there should be no redline at all imho

What's to prevent people from poking out of the force field to shoot, then returning inside to protect themselves? Or to position the barrel of their weapon outside of the force field while protecting the hull of the vehicle?

What's to prevent people from poking out of the force field to shoot, then returning inside to protect themselves? Or to position the barrel of their weapon outside of the force field while protecting the hull of the vehicle?

It should also be one-way; once you're out of the spawn area, you can't get back in.

With the current system, players can't see the area in which the enemy can move, and enemies can shoot past the redline without penalty.

With this suggestion, tanks camping their home spawn would become MORE powerful, because they could just drive out, take a few shots, then back up and be immune to all damage while they regen shields and armour, then repeat the process with NO risk to themselves at all. At least the current system gives players SOME chance to hit an enemy behind the redline.

you could see that way. But as someone suggested you can make them one way only.
But even, those HAV would only be able to get out and shoot on a very limited area if they want to go back then hiding. Also, the coming webifiers that will nail vehicles down will prevent this attitude.

It's alway better than a massive redzone that allows spamming\sniping the whole map and be safe.

But they AREN'T safe. That was part of my point.

Turret range - particularly for missiles - could use some looking into. The problem ISN'T the redline itself. The problem is that some of the other mechanics make camping the redline relatively safe (not completely safe like some people claim) while still allowing a lot of firepower to be directed at the enemy.

And unless webifiers bring the tank to a COMPLETE halt, it will still be moving, and probably moving fast enough to duck into cover before you can bring enough firepower against it - unless it's a cheap Militia fit.

One-way? Still useful if you take cover BEHIND it, so the exact same problem would exist. Unless they made the redline into a shield WALL, and once you cross the line, you're stuck on the battlefield. That would probably help with spawn camping too, since the enemy wouldn't know exactly where you're going to emerge, or you could spawn and wait for teammates before entering the battle for real. But then, you'd kind of need a legitimate lore-based reason why there are massive one-way shield barriers around the edges of your battlefields...

Obviously, no WP should be earn inside the bubble (reparation exploit, or else).

I totally support a force field instead of a red line.
Some may point to possible abuse (like leaving the bubble to shoot with a HAV, and retreating back into the bubble to be safe), but that can be fixed with this: Whatever exits the bubble can't come back inside the bubble, even if only part of that thing left the bubble. This will stop people from firing, and then retreating back.

A force field would add some nice scifi flare.

So the infamous redzone
its a problem

1. u find alot of missile tankers just sit up on their redzone and spam missiles across the map and pickup free kills
free kills = bad for gameplay

2. Snipers also do the said above tactic

Proposed Fix:
Remove the redline and instead implement a Planetside 2 Force Field around your deployment zone where attackers cant shoot in and defenders cant be cheap and shoot out to get free kills with vehicles or sniping.

Thoughts?

PS: once the bigger maps arrive with the planetary conquest mode and we are in charge of the MCC there should be no redline at all imho

Anyone noticed that with the missile range nerf, nobody's really been redline camping with their tanks any more?

HAVs runner still tend to fly away fast when a little in danger.

Anyone noticed that with the missile range nerf, nobody's really been redline camping with their tanks any more?

So the infamous redzone
its a problem

1. u find alot of missile tankers just sit up on their redzone and spam missiles across the map and pickup free kills
free kills = bad for gameplay

2. Snipers also do the said above tactic

Proposed Fix:
Remove the redline and instead implement a Planetside 2 Force Field around your deployment zone where attackers cant shoot in and defenders cant be cheap and shoot out to get free kills with vehicles or sniping.

Thoughts?

PS: once the bigger maps arrive with the planetary conquest mode and we are in charge of the MCC there should be no redline at all imho

should be no redline in null

who cares about hi.

not sure about lo.

this red zone crap gotta go.

Peace
B