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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:56:00 -
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Looks like its going to be 2013 afterall, in worst case we are talking about summer 2013, I doubt this playerbase today will stay that long.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-02-dust-514-to-remain-in-closed-beta-for-rest-of-year
Lordjanuz is sad today, need comfort from my wife,,,, |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:03:00 -
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God damn it, i've been playing Borderlands and Xcom the last week anyway... but this has really bugged me. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
899
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:03:00 -
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The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it. |
Ordo Malachai
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:07:00 -
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Its painfully clear that its not ready for release, or anywhere near it at present. Releasing this year would be a disaster. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:09:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it.
I totaly agree with you my friend, but I would like CCP to throw us some bone, new things more often, many more maps, just surprise us so we dont now exactly what we will get. Not to play 6 weeks to find out that :
1 there is lag 2 DS works 3 Tanks works 4 did I metion Lag
Just let us see some more, test more , give us info on what to come.
Wy did not a DEV give us this info with some explaining why, I should not be the player coming with theese news. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:11:00 -
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Ordo Malachai wrote:Its painfully clear that its not ready for release, or anywhere near it at present. Releasing this year would be a disaster.
I said not they should realase it, just make it more interesting for us testing it. We do need players to test I think you agree on that. |
El Brineth
BetaMax.
12
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:11:00 -
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Mixed feelings about this. I'm happy that they are taking the time to get the game right but sad release is so far away |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:12:00 -
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This is fantastic news. If it is before Q3 next year I will be shocked. |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
205
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:14:00 -
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Definitely great news , let CCP take all their time to make this game pier golden ( perfect) I didn't want them to do the planet side 2 thing , that game needs work and it releases in a few weeks , bad bad soe |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:16:00 -
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I expected this but hopefully they'll be implementing more features. Take your time & get it right, ccp. |
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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:18:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:This is fantastic news. If it is before Q3 next year I will be shocked.
Its kind of news since on fanfest one of the new boss stated that focus now is to deliver on dates claimed, and it was claimed relase in 2012. I dont care what CCP do to keep the dates , I just whant it to happend, because when you say 2013 we could easy look on 400 days more in beta mode.
Are we really up for that I am not sure. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:19:00 -
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It's all well and good letting them take their time to get it right, but are we all going to sit here and wait for launch while beta testing? I know there's a good chance i won't. The game's too boring with all the resets etc, there's no incentive to keep testing, especially with release being so far away. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:21:00 -
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I never says for sure it will be 2013. If it needs delayed dates can always be, and should be, pushed back.
It does mean the speculation of open beta in December is wrong, looks like late winter/spring at earliest.
I don't know about as "accessible as call of duty", I have seen 4 year old kids on kill streaks. The EvE systems need to be explained better then EvE does it, but that may be a little far. Accessible to any teenager or adult willing to read directions would be better goal in my opinion. For example, my cousin skips all game tutorials and in game help text, then complains he can't figure out how to play Civilization. Maybe if he would read for 5 minutes he wouldn't waste hours on trial and error.
Article has great explanation of how it's not meant to be pay to win. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:23:00 -
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thanks for the link.
TBH, this changes nothing for me. As long as the game continues to improve and evolve, I am all set playing with old friends and meeting some new ones.
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:25:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I expected this but hopefully they'll be implementing more features. Take your time & get it right, ccp.
This is actually the best news I have heard from CCP since they stated they were going to readjust the straff speed a bit. Any reasonable gamer should know from playing this game that there are too many issues for them to try to work it out before the end of this year. (Heck I am STILL getting an error for my headset so my mic does not work every time I log on same msg that the connection to voice chat failed. reconnecting.......) I am glad that CCP wants to take the time to do things right. As I have stated if it is done correctly and polished up nicely this game could very possibly be better than even Halo CE (which in my book is the best FPS game period). |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:26:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:thanks for the link.
TBH, this changes nothing for me. As long as the game continues to improve and evolve, I am all set playing with old friends and meeting some new ones.
Thanks man, I will also be around for a long time, mybe not so active on this build, have also made some friends in here |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:31:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I expected this but hopefully they'll be implementing more features. Take your time & get it right, ccp. This is actually the best news I have heard from CCP since they stated they were going to readjust the straff speed a bit. Any reasonable gamer should know from playing this game that there are too many issues for them to try to work it out before the end of this year. (Heck I am STILL getting an error for my headset so my mic does not work every time I log on same msg that the connection to voice chat failed. reconnecting.......) I am glad that CCP wants to take the time to do things right. As I have stated if it is done correctly and polished up nicely this game could very possibly be better than even Halo CE (which in my book is the best FPS game period). Agree that Halo CE is great, Easily in my top 3.
Looking forward to the days when your mic gets fixed... |
Radioship
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:41:00 -
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People that complain about "too long to wait' - may not wait, no one holds you. Beta testers intended to "test" things and not play the game (as an entertainment) or even complain about "they are not going to wait extra 5-8 months because of ... unknown reason. "
Its great news that CCP is not rushing and doing everything correct. You know, the difference between releasing DUST in lets say February 2013 and August 2013 is major. The game is either release successfully and net money for CCP, so they continue doing stuff for DUST and EVE, or either its fail, bugged and unplayable, so CCP get bankrupt and we never gona see more EVE addons & DUST updates.
Personally, id rather wait extra 8 months and enjoy my "beta testing" rather than sit and wait for ... something. Just my 2 cents. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:41:00 -
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This is great news!!!! They will take the time necessary to make this game good!
Thank you thank you thank you!
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:44:00 -
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Radioship wrote:People that complain about "too long to wait' - may not wait, no one holds you. Beta testers intended to "test" things and not play the game (as an entertainment) or even complain about "they are not going to wait extra 5-8 months because of ... unknown reason. "
Its great news that CCP is not rushing and doing everything correct. You know, the difference between releasing DUST in lets say February 2013 and August 2013 is major. The game is either release successfully and net money for CCP, so they continue doing stuff for DUST and EVE, or either its fail, bugged and unplayable, so CCP get bankrupt and we never gona see more EVE addons & DUST updates.
Personally, id rather wait extra 8 months and enjoy my "beta testing" rather than sit and wait for ... something. Just my 2 cents. whilst I agree with your sentiment, I have to believe that CCP made this move (to add Dust to New Eden) as a long term venture and are not expecting a windfall upon the release of Dust 514. |
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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:47:00 -
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Radioship wrote:People that complain about "too long to wait' - may not wait, no one holds you. Beta testers intended to "test" things and not play the game (as an entertainment) or even complain about "they are not going to wait extra 5-8 months because of ... unknown reason. "
Its great news that CCP is not rushing and doing everything correct. You know, the difference between releasing DUST in lets say February 2013 and August 2013 is major. The game is either release successfully and net money for CCP, so they continue doing stuff for DUST and EVE, or either its fail, bugged and unplayable, so CCP get bankrupt and we never gona see more EVE addons & DUST updates.
Personally, id rather wait extra 8 months and enjoy my "beta testing" rather than sit and wait for ... something. Just my 2 cents.
Yea since the game have been worked on for about 3-4 years so what does another year mean, let me tell you. When CCP stands on events , in interviews and publications says diffrent its not ok. Wy dont tell us we need another year and its ok, its all in how you do it and how you get that information out to playerbase.
I am not here to quit or rage, I am just a little disappointed, will of course play it tonight becouse the game is damn adictive |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
205
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:48:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I expected this but hopefully they'll be implementing more features. Take your time & get it right, ccp. This is actually the best news I have heard from CCP since they stated they were going to readjust the straff speed a bit. Any reasonable gamer should know from playing this game that there are too many issues for them to try to work it out before the end of this year. (Heck I am STILL getting an error for my headset so my mic does not work every time I log on same msg that the connection to voice chat failed. reconnecting.......) I am glad that CCP wants to take the time to do things right. As I have stated if it is done correctly and polished up nicely this game could very possibly be better than even Halo CE (which in my book is the best FPS game period). Halo 4 gonna blow out halo ce next Tuesday |
Radioship
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:58:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:Yea since the game have been worked on for about 3-4 years so what does another year mean, let me tell you. When CCP stands on events , in interviews and publications says diffrent its not ok. Wy dont tell us we need another year and its ok, its all in how you do it and how you get that information out to playerbase. I am not here to quit or rage, I am just a little disappointed, will of course play it tonight becouse the game is damn adictive My point is, let they release everything they planned and we'l have a revolution. Hurry them up and we'l get another BF/Halo clone. Therese plenty of stuff to do meanwhile, Beta right now is quite ok for "fun play" and to learn game itself, so when its released - you are prepared with knowledge :) |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:59:00 -
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Radioship wrote:lordjanuz wrote:Yea since the game have been worked on for about 3-4 years so what does another year mean, let me tell you. When CCP stands on events , in interviews and publications says diffrent its not ok. Wy dont tell us we need another year and its ok, its all in how you do it and how you get that information out to playerbase. I am not here to quit or rage, I am just a little disappointed, will of course play it tonight becouse the game is damn adictive My point is, let they release everything they planned and we'l have a revolution. Hurry them up and we'l get another BF/Halo clone. Therese plenty of stuff to do meanwhile, Beta right now is quite ok for "fun play" and to learn game itself, so when its released - you are prepared with knowledge :)
Second that man +1 |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:08:00 -
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2013 is fine - gives em time to sort things out
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:10:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I expected this but hopefully they'll be implementing more features. Take your time & get it right, ccp. This is actually the best news I have heard from CCP since they stated they were going to readjust the straff speed a bit. Any reasonable gamer should know from playing this game that there are too many issues for them to try to work it out before the end of this year. (Heck I am STILL getting an error for my headset so my mic does not work every time I log on same msg that the connection to voice chat failed. reconnecting.......) I am glad that CCP wants to take the time to do things right. As I have stated if it is done correctly and polished up nicely this game could very possibly be better than even Halo CE (which in my book is the best FPS game period). Halo 4 gonna blow out halo ce next Tuesday
maybe in terms of sales but I have already seen alot of videos and interviews about Halo 4 (I dont even have an Xbox so I cant play Halo 4 anyway). I am not impressed with Halo 4...yes the graphics looks good but with all the changes that were made...like the streak bonuses and xp systems. I dont like those. Halo CE was awesome cause everyone started the same then it was a race to get to the good weapons and duking it out to take those weapons. And it had alot of strategy (I played in Cal-I leagues for Halo CE on the PC). I agree with what someone else posted....the new Halo 4 seems to be alot more of a nade spam or nade first game. Halo CE nades were good but werent the end all be all they seem to be now. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:19:00 -
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And why is this NOT good news? This is what it needs. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:24:00 -
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I'm glad they said there's a bit of a difference between there beta and other betas. Other betas really were like a demo compared to this one. |
ReGnUM GODofGODS DEI
80
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:30:00 -
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\\CCP TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED... JUST MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE, UNLIKE THESE LAST FIVE MONTHS |
GLOO GLOO
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:30:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I'm glad they said there's a bit of a difference between there beta and other betas. Other betas really were like a demo compared to this one.
Hell yeah, it's a real beta, and we don't see some on console... Personaly, it's the first one for me. |
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Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:39:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:I doubt this player base today will stay that long. where will we go? Starhawk didn't interest me really, i'm not a fan of 3PS (third person shooter) BF3... EA published it... then turned around and copied a "member" thing charging $60 USD for, lost me Halo? who the f pays to play games? i'll never own a xBox cause its the dumbest idea ever.. you want me to pay M$ so i can watch my netflix i already pay for over the internet i already pay for? no thanks. MAG is dead... UnCharted series are great, i'll never play their MP, too boring and stale COD? i'll never play any of them, such lame games
Dust is the only thing i play and its only a beta, i treat it like it is a game, because it is my game, the game i will be devoted to. nothing else out there can best it.
i do like The Last of Us though, but its not MP so Dust doesn't have to worry.
Dust is my home, i'm not leaving, and a few months back i was telling people a Spring 2013 release sounds right to me. i still stand by this, so if this is the case, i'm pleased and not set back at all.
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:55:00 -
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Better for a later release than pushing a turd out the door as fast as possible. |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
91
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:55:00 -
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Maybe DUST 514 will be in perpetual beta like PS Home. Seriously, this is not that bad. If the release jumps to 2014, I may have a problem though as I don't think I could deal with a bunch more wipes. |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:56:00 -
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Not to sound arsey, but does it matter if 'this' player base stays?
This is without doubt the whiniest BETA I have ever been a part of. I've never played FPS before so it could be down to that.
If I were CPP, I'd be perfectly happy for new players to come in and test things without making constant comparisons to previous builds. Just put the build at there and ask "what do you think"..........
If these forums are anything to go by, new beta testers would be a welcome sight.
Regards
Jax |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:58:00 -
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Ima Leet wrote:lordjanuz wrote:I doubt this player base today will stay that long. where will we go? Starhawk didn't interest me really, i'm not a fan of 3PS (third person shooter) BF3... EA published it... then turned around and copied a "member" thing charging $60 USD for, lost me Halo? who the f pays to play games? i'll never own a xBox cause its the dumbest idea ever.. you want me to pay M$ so i can watch my netflix i already pay for over the internet i already pay for? no thanks. MAG is dead... UnCharted series are great, i'll never play their MP, too boring and stale COD? i'll never play any of them, such lame games Dust is the only thing i play and its only a beta, i treat it like it is a game, because it is my game, the game i will be devoted to. nothing else out there can best it. i do like The Last of Us though, but its not MP so Dust doesn't have to worry. Dust is my home, i'm not leaving, and a few months back i was telling people a Spring 2013 release sounds right to me. i still stand by this, so if this is the case, i'm pleased and not set back at all.
NGL. I agree 100%. Last game I REALLY played was MGO because I loved the gameplay mechanics. :/ I'll probably never see CQC mechanics like those in MGO2 again. But yeah I kinda treat this like my main addiction for a shooter now. I want it to be well prepared for release with peppered tidbits that make players come back. |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
202
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:26:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it.
Ditto.
Admittedly, I live in the fast-food nation and want everything NOW! But I can restrain my psychologically reinforced need for immediacy to ensure DUST is awesome on release. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:27:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:And why is this NOT good news? This is what it needs.
Does not mean that I have to like it .... |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:01:00 -
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Sweet!
CCP making considered, informed, rational decisions re their development timetable. Exactly the way I would expect a world-class leading-edge developer to do it.
This is very good news, CCP. Well done.
Edit: This means a mininmum of 3 maybe 4 more builds. =) |
Hawkings Greenback
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:03:00 -
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This is good news, it gives them time to get it right |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:04:00 -
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Sounds like great news to me.. oh wait it sounds like what I have already said and others have said that have been paying attention to anything the devs have said.. summer 2013 , we have not even tested the npc AI pve aspect yet and you guys want it rushed out the door.. jesus |
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:06:00 -
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this playerbase wont sorry to say it. not unless the game gets bat **** amazing next couple builds |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:08:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:this playerbase wont sorry to say it. not unless the game gets bat **** amazing next couple builds
How can you make this statement, while at the same time in this thread the CURRENT playerbase players are saying they are good with the wait.. lol.. or atleast the sensible ones |
Hollow M Ling
Doomheim
30
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:09:00 -
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When you think about this game will never be finished also isn't EVE online still in beta(I could be wrong). |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:11:00 -
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Hollow M Ling wrote:When you thonk about this game will never be finished also isn't EVE online still in beta(I could be wrong).
hehe, if by beta you mean a continually evolving and growing universe.. then yes, Eve is in beta :)
This is why alot of us eve players like to say it is still stuck in Beta, not by meaning it plays crappy like a beta |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:18:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Hollow M Ling wrote:When you thonk about this game will never be finished also isn't EVE online still in beta(I could be wrong). hehe, if by beta you mean a continually evolving and growing universe.. then yes, Eve is in beta :) This is why alot of us eve players like to say it is still stuck in Beta, not by meaning it plays crappy like a beta
This is a weird way to say it and would be more accurate to say that it is continually evolving as a game. (just a side note) |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:19:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:this playerbase wont sorry to say it. not unless the game gets bat **** amazing next couple builds How can you make this statement, while at the same time in this thread the CURRENT playerbase players are saying they are good with the wait.. lol.. or atleast the sensible ones
What interest me is what the 1200 that have read the post and not have comment it means, the 43 that have we now what they mean. |
Regis Mk V
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:39:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it.
Games been in Dev for 3+ years there is nothing unrealistic about the deadline. I said it once and I'll say it again Dust 514 should either be pushed back till next gen or go to PC. PS4 will more than be able to handle it with the specs that it has. |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
126
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:41:00 -
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Im glad that its not opening up till next year its not ready just because alot of us have acclimatised to how bugged the game is doesnt meen its ready for launch, simple thing about the target audience is first impressions will meen alot so that need to be worked on |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:54:00 -
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If CCP really is serious about this, then this is awesome news. More time to test things, iron out bugs, fix lag out at least improve it, make sure that the potentially second most complex market in New Eden is stable and deep enough before launch, etc. To be honest I felt like the game was being rushed too much by Sony. This news is a good example of how much control and authority CCP has over DUST compared to Sony. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:57:00 -
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PS: has CCP publicly confirmed this with a blog post or thread announcement? |
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:20:00 -
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I'm not surprised. Development for the game has been very slow, and we've been plagued by some totally unacceptable bugs across multiple builds now. The frame rate, the hit detection, these are the kinds of things you simply cannot have in a modern console FPS that you expect people to play competitively.
Maken Tosch wrote:PS: has CCP publicly confirmed this with a blog post or thread announcement?
They were interviewed by a legitimate website and said it to them. If it were not correct, that's when they'd publicly say that it isn't correct. As it stand, there is no reason to doubt that this game won't be open beta till sometime 2013 and probably released in the spring or summer. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:21:00 -
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don't act surprised.
this is a good thing.
sony and zipper didn't listen.
at least crowd control does.
take til 2014 but don't release if it it's not right.
this game is not right.
i like it but it's shelf life as is, even with added patches and dlc is skimpy at best.
you guys really gotta double down and decide what you want this game to be and then go that. but do that and nothing else.
to be honest, you guys gotta decide is it gonna be casual accessible or is it gonna be hardcore clan team game?
we can't make that decision for you. you cannot cater to both crowds. i' ve been screaming about a ton of what is taking place in this game for years. now you guys are finally seeing it. you can't balance clans vs casuals. it can't be done. you can take stuff away from the clans to hobble em, but then that's not what your game is about, is it? whats the point of dropship ownership if you can only use it when the devs allow you to?
you guys gotta take a deuce or get off the pot. one or the other. the longer you sit and think about it, the worse this whole thing is gonna end up smelling when you come out of it.
go ask zipper if you think im kiddin.
Peace B |
Necandi Brasil
Conspiratus Immortalis
245
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:26:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it. +1 to this awesome comment |
Brahma El Indio
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:33:00 -
[54] - Quote
Hey CCP, save yourselves and us players the heartache - just be honest and say no release till December 2014. That is more realistic.
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DON RODIE II
Deep Space Republic
168
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:39:00 -
[55] - Quote
Pathetic |
Brahma El Indio
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:39:00 -
[56] - Quote
Thinking about it no, this game will launch around the same time as MAG 2 and therefore will fail. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:41:00 -
[57] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it. +1
Dust has the makings of an amazing game, CCP DO NOT rush to release, take the time needed to do it right.
Cross |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:46:00 -
[58] - Quote
good. the game needs a sht ton of work, it was depressing me to think that they were gonna release it anyway to meet some deadline and have it in the currently fuct state it is.. then ppl with no tolerance for betas/bugs would be like "wtf is this crap".. i don't want to be getting internal server errors and frame rate/slide show bug when the game is live. from the looks of it now there's still at least a year to go. i dont see any other console FPS potentially filling these shoes until then.. yea some players will quit until then but others will replace them. |
Brahma El Indio
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:51:00 -
[59] - Quote
Great news actually, full devotion to Planetside 2 for at least 12 months..... |
Regis Mk V
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:11:00 -
[60] - Quote
Brahma El Indio wrote:Great news actually, full devotion to Planetside 2 for at least 12 months..... and then some! |
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Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.11.03 01:23:00 -
[61] - Quote
Yup, would rather have a finished product then one pushed out the door to hit some deadline.
+1
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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.11.03 01:26:00 -
[62] - Quote
Regis Mk V wrote:Kain Spero wrote:The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it. Games been in Dev for 3+ years there is nothing unrealistic about the deadline. I said it once and I'll say it again Dust 514 should either be pushed back till next gen or go to PC. PS4 will more than be able to handle it with the specs that it has.
It got shelved, so it hasn't been in DEV for +3 years. |
Riot Ruckus
Doomheim
56
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Posted - 2012.11.03 01:29:00 -
[63] - Quote
Why is this bad? I dont understand? The framerate issues ect.
I personally am glad they are not rushing to release, and will be taking their time to deliver a optimized game.
Rats off to you, CCP. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.11.03 02:26:00 -
[64] - Quote
While I think that more time to test is a good thing,I think that everyone is missing something very important that was said...
"We want to make it as accessible as Call of Duty and Battlefield."
Personally,I think that this is very bad news as far as future development of the game.That statement sounds like they are planning to dumb it down,and make it more noob friendly. |
Adeptus Ezekiel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.11.03 03:13:00 -
[65] - Quote
Th3rdSun wrote:While I think that more time to test is a good thing,I think that everyone is missing something very important that was said...
"We want to make it as accessible as Call of Duty and Battlefield."
Personally,I think that this is very bad news as far as future development of the game.That statement sounds like they are planning to dumb it down,and make it more noob friendly.
Here's hoping that its just PR fluff. The whole concept of the game is diametrically opposite to being 'easily accessible'. If it was quick and easy to pickup it wouldn't be complex etc. Though tbh, even EVE (widely considered complex) isn't really that hard. A day or so and the basic concepts are quite simple, though there are always tips and tricks that help regardless of how long you play. |
MAVMACK
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.11.03 03:58:00 -
[66] - Quote
I can breathe a little easier now?
Anyone else feel like that? Lol |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.11.03 04:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
Adeptus Ezekiel wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:While I think that more time to test is a good thing,I think that everyone is missing something very important that was said...
"We want to make it as accessible as Call of Duty and Battlefield."
Personally,I think that this is very bad news as far as future development of the game.That statement sounds like they are planning to dumb it down,and make it more noob friendly. Here's hoping that its just PR fluff. The whole concept of the game is diametrically opposite to being 'easily accessible'. If it was quick and easy to pickup it wouldn't be complex etc. Though tbh, even EVE (widely considered complex) isn't really that hard. A day or so and the basic concepts are quite simple, though there are always tips and tricks that help regardless of how long you play.
All I'll say is that if that's PR talk,maybe someone needs to keep their mouth shut,if that's the stuff that they are going to spew.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.03 04:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I'm not surprised. Development for the game has been very slow, and we've been plagued by some totally unacceptable bugs across multiple builds now. The frame rate, the hit detection, these are the kinds of things you simply cannot have in a modern console FPS that you expect people to play competitively. Maken Tosch wrote:PS: has CCP publicly confirmed this with a blog post or thread announcement? They were interviewed by a legitimate website and said it to them. If it were not correct, that's when they'd publicly say that it isn't correct. As it stand, there is no reason to doubt that this game won't be open beta till sometime 2013 and probably released in the spring or summer.
IGN is a legitimate website and they tend to say **** that are not true. My point is that I don't trust third-party sources. If there is a thread or blog posted directly by CCP about it, then I will believe it. Until then, I'm skeptical.
Dear CCP,
Is is true what Eurogamer is saying? |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.11.03 13:00:00 -
[69] - Quote
""We want to make it as accessible as Call of Duty and Battlefield.""
oh... well there ya go.
thanks for being honest about it so it didn't turn out to be a bigger waste of time then already has been wasted. at least for me. that's a deal breaker. you guys are turning 180 degrees from what you said a long while back. but like i said, at least you are being up front about it.
good luck with your game!
Peace B |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.03 13:29:00 -
[70] - Quote
BASSMEANT wrote:""We want to make it as accessible as Call of Duty and Battlefield.""
oh... well there ya go.
thanks for being honest about it so it didn't turn out to be a bigger waste of time then already has been wasted. at least for me. that's a deal breaker. you guys are turning 180 degrees from what you said a long while back. but like i said, at least you are being up front about it.
good luck with your game!
Peace B
Could we get a reply from CCP on this matter, if they still play and read our post I would like to have it like they planned, hard, but great gameplay. |
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Domingo Cervezas
Cult of the Warrior
15
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Posted - 2012.11.03 22:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
It's a beta, I log in briefly to look around and help where I can. I don't see me doing much else and they should take as long as they need to get the initial release right.
I play at most once a week usually, sometimes more. If you get frustrated just stop and go do something else. If you really can't stand it don't play until official release. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.11.04 01:07:00 -
[72] - Quote
way back when... back before the beta... there was some interviews with ccp that i would SWEAR they had to be listening in on a years worth of private psn video chats because the stuff they said in their interview was TERRIFYINGLY close to stuff i had been saying and have been saying since before mag.
things like motivation for "why" we turn the game on. what goes on in it. etc.
it was all about the depth and the fact that even CCP said that all the games on the market were codboi and codboi ez mode rip off games. they said they were trying to do something different.
they NEVER mentioned casual accessible.
ive been saying it for about 5 years straight now:
"casual accessible" = we give up. we are going to go ahead and make a cod clone. the fan base can't handle what we were cooking so we are gonna have to dumb it down to make a profit or else...
the fact that cod players would even be encouraged to play and bring their garbage game play style over to a game like 514 is a sign that CCP is going for the money via the cash shop rather then going for the quality via the clan and player base
sad, sad news.
Peace B |
CLONE 2774
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
83
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Posted - 2012.11.04 01:28:00 -
[73] - Quote
Does this mean we will get to test mechs and the gladiator mode they said would be next year? |
Chao Wolf
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.11.04 01:47:00 -
[74] - Quote
CLONE 2774 wrote:Does this mean we will get to test mechs and the gladiator mode they said would be next year? oh kitten that's a good point. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
810
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Posted - 2012.11.04 02:03:00 -
[75] - Quote
They told us it would release mid-2013 months ago, and it's obvious that releasing any sooner would be a disaster. I don't see the problem. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.11.04 02:04:00 -
[76] - Quote
Eh, I'll have halo 4 to play while i wait for this game to release. |
bringinthefire
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 02:19:00 -
[77] - Quote
thats good news for me it gives me the opportunity to grow with the game considering i usually only played racing games in the past im not really a gamer ive never played halo only played black ops for about 5 mins and dont even know what some of the other shooter games are that i have seen mentioned im not that good at this type of game YET but im really enjoying dust so far just the way it is but i think it will be great watching it evolve along with my ability to aim on the run under a hail of gunfire |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.11.04 02:34:00 -
[78] - Quote
Baal Roo wrote:They told us it would release mid-2013 months ago.
I never saw that anywhere.Post a link,or it never happened.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.11.04 02:40:00 -
[79] - Quote
I actually consider this good news. |
Azraen Kador
10
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Posted - 2012.11.04 08:57:00 -
[80] - Quote
Why are you complaining about that? There is so much to do with the current features and these are not all which they want in the final game. |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
810
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Posted - 2012.11.04 09:34:00 -
[81] - Quote
Th3rdSun wrote:Baal Roo wrote:They told us it would release mid-2013 months ago. I never saw that anywhere.Post a link,or it never happened.
I'm not gonna chase links down for you, but one of the devs mentioned it in passing in a thread quite awhile back. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.11.04 10:50:00 -
[82] - Quote
I said this on another thread but what exactly CCP will do during these extra months? Will they finally listen to FPS players or what? |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.11.04 11:04:00 -
[83] - Quote
good, we don't need a flood of bad players and people just getting brought in. Already happens enough and than people quit, so basically anyone who doesn't play anyone because they "quit" is just taking up server space. |
GLOO GLOO
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.11.04 11:07:00 -
[84] - Quote
Templar Two wrote:I said this on anther thread but what exactly CCP will do during these extra months? Will they finally listen to FPS players or what?
I don't really think so dude ... It's just another Battlefield. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.11.04 13:31:00 -
[85] - Quote
like the dude said above:
if they are trying to make it for the battlefield and codboi community, it's done. they have listened.
the masses couldn't handle 514. the casuals got redlined over and over and now everyone knows it.
they can't make 514 what they hyped it to be, then the casuals would last even LESS time on the server.
so they decided to go the other route... ez mode.
Peace B |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.11.04 13:37:00 -
[86] - Quote
^^^ We asked CCP to make Dust a good FPS, to make it a worthy competitor of COD , BF or Killzone or Halo but not to make it a COD/BF wannabee.
There is a difference.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.04 14:33:00 -
[87] - Quote
There is a difference between making a game accessible and making a wannabe battlefield/call of duty game. Eve Online is quite accessible in many ways but you have to know where to look. There are players in Eve who have created characters and somehow managed to achieve earning billions of ISK a month through market trading alone inside just a single month or two. Then there are the players who focused everything in learning all about missions or piracy in a single month and are now making mad ISK through mission loot or from ransoming other players.
I hope this is what CCP meant by accessible. Allow players ample opportunities to prosper quickly but they must work for it and know where to look. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:14:00 -
[88] - Quote
I hope that CCP si taking time ti make this a good FPS. Begin good is the best way to gain accessibility.
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:30:00 -
[89] - Quote
Templar Two wrote:I said this on another thread but what exactly CCP will do during these extra months? Will they finally listen to FPS players or what?
How long have you been here?
If you have been here since last build something is wrong with you. A lot of the problems were suggested by the players. Prime example. Tanks. From what I've heard the heavies were cried about too which led to their nerf and so was the AV. Oh and lets not forget about all these contrasting suggestions on ARs that they're doing.
If you really feel that way then look at the Feedback/suggestions section and look at the weekly concerns https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=381213#post381213
They even list threads.
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Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:52:00 -
[90] - Quote
I have been here since June, before the E3 build.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
132
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:13:00 -
[91] - Quote
This game is MMO and I am planning on playing it for a long time like an MMO as long as it's well made. Take all the time that you need CCP. No prob waiting for release so long as we get a meaningful reward for playing a long beta - don't erase all my SP with every new build! It would be nice if you got to keep 20 or 30 % of what you earned. |
Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:08:00 -
[92] - Quote
Now ccp has the time to transform dust 514 from a virtual unplayable abomination of a game to something that will be at least mediocre, maybe even somewhat respectable. |
Bjorei Sevarre
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:01:00 -
[93] - Quote
Saiibot wrote:Now ccp has the time to transform dust 514 from a virtual unplayable abomination of a game to something that will be at least mediocre, maybe even somewhat respectable.
I don't know if 8 months will give them enough time. They ought to aim for a Christmas 2013 release (at the earliest), in my opinion. |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
187
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:31:00 -
[94] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:There is a difference between making a game accessible and making a wannabe battlefield/call of duty game. Eve Online is quite accessible in many ways but you have to know where to look. There are players in Eve who have created characters and somehow managed to achieve earning billions of ISK a month through market trading alone inside just a single month or two. Then there are the players who focused everything in learning all about missions or piracy in a single month and are now making mad ISK through mission loot or from ransoming other players.
I hope this is what CCP meant by accessible. Allow players ample opportunities to prosper quickly but they must work for it and know where to look.
What I gather of CCPs definition of accesability for Dust is that casual gamers can come in for an "instant battle" and have fun shooting people in the head on a platform that console gamer types are familiar with, and then go about their day. As much as I love Eve, it really is not very accessible to the casual gamer. Outside of established networks like SA or Reddit (others, but those are what I know) new players come in naked and with no advantage at all. Casual gamers with no contacts burn out on mining or missioning long before actually having a chance to enjoy what the game provides. If they do happen to suffer years of this, they are institutionalized in their comfort zone so much that the best parts of New Eden are "out there..", "them.."
Even for the institutional people that never leave hisec, there is great opportunity for the sharp minded risk taker. By and large, these aren't the people that come from other FPS games. At risk of stereotype, these folks are frontline fighters. Successful Dust corps do need a mass majority of ball breakers, with the token few beancounters. I digress..
For the OP, it does suck for the pushback. This is also ground breaking stuff, best to have it as right as it can be.
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tryian776
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.11.05 09:10:00 -
[95] - Quote
GREAT NEWS!
Very glad to hear that CCP are getting the time they need to polish/fix. Personally I love the game but its very frustrating at times in it's current form. This level of flakeyness would really put off new players.
I really want to see the game succeed so it's key new players who dip into the game for an evening get a good experience.
t |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:49:00 -
[96] - Quote
Baal Roo wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Baal Roo wrote:They told us it would release mid-2013 months ago. I never saw that anywhere.Post a link,or it never happened. I'm not gonna chase links down for you, but one of the devs mentioned it in passing in a thread quite awhile back.
YouTube
Fanfest 2012 DUST 514 keynote
They did mention mid 2013 as a possible release date, but as usual of CCP, they said it as if it's something that's subject to change. |
BAD FURRY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
247
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:18:00 -
[97] - Quote
O your shocked that CCP which took over 4 yrs to make a beta of this game would take more then a yr to go live ???
You must be new here ! |
Rendiff Jurr
Black Omega Industrial
21
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:50:00 -
[98] - Quote
This is great news, the game still needs a ton of work. As far as I'm concerned the longer they wait the better off everyone will be Dust players and EVE Players.
The last thing I need is a broken FPS game messing up my spaceship game. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:49:00 -
[99] - Quote
BAD FURRY wrote:O your shocked that CCP which took over 4 yrs to make a beta of this game would take more then a yr to go live ??? You must be new here !
I might have been around for a wile, dosent matter, go bother some else with comments like that... off you go. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:51:00 -
[100] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:The game still needs a lot of work. I'm tired of publishers rushing development to hit unrealistic deadlines. If CCP needs this time to make the game great so be it.
like unreal 4 engine is about to come out, which would make this game dated on release, musnt fall into duke forever cycle! |
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Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:04:00 -
[101] - Quote
you can see today CCP posted on their site: http://www.dust514.com/news/press/2012/11/mmorpg.com-preview-the-codex-update/
this is what CCP links to on their site: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/494/feature/6857/DUST-514-The-Codex-Update.html
this is said: "So it's still very much a construction site that surrounds D514, with the eventual Eve Online additions promising to heighten the already promising experience. There are still a few kinks to be worked out, and a few textures that aren't looking too sharp, but this is to be expected in a self-proclaimed "work in progress.""
and this: "With no release date as of yet, other than "sometime next year" the future for CCP, Eve Online, and Dust 514 is looking very bright. We can all exhale and relax in the knowledge that this is a great game in its own right - the bells and whistles of MMORPG integration will be an extra thick topping of sugary bonus. I can't wait." |
BAD FURRY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
247
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:58:00 -
[102] - Quote
lordjanuz wrote:BAD FURRY wrote:O your shocked that CCP which took over 4 yrs to make a beta of this game would take more then a yr to go live ??? You must be new here ! I might have been around for a wile, dosent matter, go bother some else with comments like that... off you go.
Bro chill your self no need to get all but hurt |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.11.05 22:06:00 -
[103] - Quote
Good in my book. More time for them to add stuff. |
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