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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:03:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:ReGnUM GODofGODS DEI wrote:Welcome to the big leagues CCP HALO4 and BO2 are the games you're competing against, and sadly DUST is far behind . I don't even think that if CCP worked on this game for a another year they could score 5 by IGN. DUST= GREAT CONCEPT HORRIBLE EXECUTION 5 months of nothing That's a great acheivement for Bungie. For me, Halo or any of the other online shooters are not competition for DUST/EVE. This is because they are games, entertainment products, but not a genuine war, which is what we have in New Eden. In fact, to call the war in New Eden 'persistent' is to trivialize it. So far as I can tell, the opportunity to wage a real war against world-class opponents exists and will only exist in New Eden. But it is certainly not for everybody, there are logistical and orginisational aspects to being involved in a real war that some gamers will find a giant PITA, tbh. To me it's an acquired taste. I think of DUST as scotch, and most of the other games as beer. Both good, all depends on what you're looking for in your favorite poison.
None of that persistent stuff exists yet. All we have right now is a lobby shooter.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:05:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:i came into this thread thinking regnum was a waste of my time.
i read that he actually puts stock in what IGN says.
i left this thread thinking regnum is a 12 year old waste of my time. regnum also has poor choice in music and is a scrub.
Isn't regnum in the imperfects?? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:09:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Free Beers wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:i came into this thread thinking regnum was a waste of my time.
i read that he actually puts stock in what IGN says.
i left this thread thinking regnum is a 12 year old waste of my time. regnum also has poor choice in music and is a scrub. Isn't regnum in the imperfects??
Imperfects is all scrubs. |
Novas Prime
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:11:00 -
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Watch that video it's hilarious. And also very true. I'm with CCP on this one, they've attempted to actually take constructive criticism on a game they are tryin to make great. I think this is the first time there's ever been a closed beta for any game on the PS3. So naturally it's gonna be buggy. Usually developers use "professional testers" whose job is to literally sit there and play it 9 to 5. We don't get to see what a game was before they've squashed all the bugs.
I'm enjoying this game! Yes there's a couple of problems but never mind. I'm also guessing that the reason the graphics aren't up to scratch quite yet is because we are still testing how the game responds to having It connect to the server and swap information between PS3 gamers and PC gamers. It's kind of an unknown quantity what with it NEVER HAVING BEEN TRIED!!!
Dev blogs would be an awesome idea!!!!!
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:20:00 -
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Its ok, CCP doesnt have anything to Control-C/Control-V from yet.
Why gamers still give $60 to MS and Activision for glorified expansions is beyond me. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:In Halo's defense, many many others sites gave it a very high score, so its not just IGN. Reviewers are people, and reviews are just opinions; they are allowed to think a game is nearly perfect or completely perfect. People say perfection is impossible, but it isn't, its just subjective. From what I hear, Halo 4 has a very good campaign with a good story, great gameplay that people really enjoy, multiplayer with lots of content that people really enjoy with lots of content, and an episodic co-op story with many seasons of weekly episodic missions. Microsoft spent so much on this game, the production value is tremendous. The very high score doesn't seem unwarranted. I'm not a Halo player, and I don't have or want a Xbox360.
About Dust, I don't think it has a chance against the high profile shooters like Halo 4 and BO2 when it comes to reviews, but its free, lots of depth, decent gameplay (I enjoy it more than most shooters); people will download it and play it, and it could get more players then both BO2 and Halo 4 combined. I think Dust will at least do ok in the reviews. Again, you are comparing Halo which is a completed game that has been iterated multiple times since it's initial release back in 2004 and has been backed by a multi billion-dollar company like Microsoft (who is just as powerful as Apple) that has been around since the age of the FIRST WINDOWS OS in computer history to Dust 514 which has not even finished closed beta yet being created by CCP which is a small Icelandic company in a country whose total population is less than that of its subscriber base for Eve Online and doesn't have much money compared to the big boys. Your point is MOOT!!!!!
You really think Dust is going to get great reviews compared to other big high profile shooters? Be realistic. I like Dust way more than these other games? Do you think the reviewers who are use to simple easy games like Halo and CoD are going to like something as complex and deep as Dust? They're going to take points off for the graphics, and for how hard things are to understand at first (this game is very confusing). Yes the game is in open beta, but do you honestly think that this game is suddenly going to get Halo 4 level graphics, and get super dumbed down user friendly?
I think you're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying that Dust 514 has to get great reviews, in fact I don't care much about the reviews since the game will be free and have lots of players (like I already said). I know CCP is a company from a small company which doesn't have nearly as much money as "the big boys", and they're competing against old experienced shooter IPs, but that's precisely why Dust won't be able to beat them in the reviews, but like I said THATS OK, because Dust doesn't have to beat them in reviews (free game). My point: Dust 514 can't compete with the big moneybag IPs when it comes to reviews, but that's OK because the game is free. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:35:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvanJYOGlus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59P6mN1JSsE
Eat it up. |
ReGnUM GODofGODS DEI
80
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:36:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:In Halo's defense, many many others sites gave it a very high score, so its not just IGN. Reviewers are people, and reviews are just opinions; they are allowed to think a game is nearly perfect or completely perfect. People say perfection is impossible, but it isn't, its just subjective. From what I hear, Halo 4 has a very good campaign with a good story, great gameplay that people really enjoy, multiplayer with lots of content that people really enjoy with lots of content, and an episodic co-op story with many seasons of weekly episodic missions. Microsoft spent so much on this game, the production value is tremendous. The very high score doesn't seem unwarranted. I'm not a Halo player, and I don't have or want a Xbox360.
About Dust, I don't think it has a chance against the high profile shooters like Halo 4 and BO2 when it comes to reviews, but its free, lots of depth, decent gameplay (I enjoy it more than most shooters); people will download it and play it, and it could get more players then both BO2 and Halo 4 combined. I think Dust will at least do ok in the reviews. Again, you are comparing Halo which is a completed game that has been iterated multiple times since it's initial release back in 2004 and has been backed by a multi billion-dollar company like Microsoft (who is just as powerful as Apple) that has been around since the age of the FIRST WINDOWS OS in computer history to Dust 514 which has not even finished closed beta yet being created by CCP which is a small Icelandic company in a country whose total population is less than that of its subscriber base for Eve Online and doesn't have much money compared to the big boys. Your point is MOOT!!!!! You really think Dust is going to get great reviews compared to other big high profile shooters? Be realistic. I like Dust way more than these other games? Do you think the reviewers who are use to simple easy games like Halo and CoD are going to like something as complex and deep as Dust? They're going to take points off for the graphics, and for how hard things are to understand at first (this game is very confusing). Yes the game is in open beta, but do you honestly think that this game is suddenly going to get Halo 4 level graphics, and get super dumbed down user friendly? I think you're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying that Dust 514 has to get great reviews, in fact I don't care much about the reviews since the game will be free and have lots of players (like I already said). I know CCP is a company from a small company which doesn't have nearly as much money as "the big boys", and they're competing against old experienced shooter IPs, but that's precisely why Dust won't be able to beat them in the reviews, but like I said THATS OK, because Dust doesn't have to beat them in reviews (free game). My point: Dust 514 can't compete with the big moneybag IPs when it comes to reviews, but that's OK because the game is free.
I Love how you say HALO and COD are easy, yet you have been playing this game for months. This game is so easy, and I don't even use vehicles.
Halo is the most player skilled game out there, but nice try ;) |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:43:00 -
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ReGnUM GODofGODS DEI wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:In Halo's defense, many many others sites gave it a very high score, so its not just IGN. Reviewers are people, and reviews are just opinions; they are allowed to think a game is nearly perfect or completely perfect. People say perfection is impossible, but it isn't, its just subjective. From what I hear, Halo 4 has a very good campaign with a good story, great gameplay that people really enjoy, multiplayer with lots of content that people really enjoy with lots of content, and an episodic co-op story with many seasons of weekly episodic missions. Microsoft spent so much on this game, the production value is tremendous. The very high score doesn't seem unwarranted. I'm not a Halo player, and I don't have or want a Xbox360.
About Dust, I don't think it has a chance against the high profile shooters like Halo 4 and BO2 when it comes to reviews, but its free, lots of depth, decent gameplay (I enjoy it more than most shooters); people will download it and play it, and it could get more players then both BO2 and Halo 4 combined. I think Dust will at least do ok in the reviews. Again, you are comparing Halo which is a completed game that has been iterated multiple times since it's initial release back in 2004 and has been backed by a multi billion-dollar company like Microsoft (who is just as powerful as Apple) that has been around since the age of the FIRST WINDOWS OS in computer history to Dust 514 which has not even finished closed beta yet being created by CCP which is a small Icelandic company in a country whose total population is less than that of its subscriber base for Eve Online and doesn't have much money compared to the big boys. Your point is MOOT!!!!! You really think Dust is going to get great reviews compared to other big high profile shooters? Be realistic. I like Dust way more than these other games? Do you think the reviewers who are use to simple easy games like Halo and CoD are going to like something as complex and deep as Dust? They're going to take points off for the graphics, and for how hard things are to understand at first (this game is very confusing). Yes the game is in open beta, but do you honestly think that this game is suddenly going to get Halo 4 level graphics, and get super dumbed down user friendly? I think you're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying that Dust 514 has to get great reviews, in fact I don't care much about the reviews since the game will be free and have lots of players (like I already said). I know CCP is a company from a small company which doesn't have nearly as much money as "the big boys", and they're competing against old experienced shooter IPs, but that's precisely why Dust won't be able to beat them in the reviews, but like I said THATS OK, because Dust doesn't have to beat them in reviews (free game). My point: Dust 514 can't compete with the big moneybag IPs when it comes to reviews, but that's OK because the game is free. I Love how you say HALO and COD are easy, yet you have been playing this game for months. This game is so easy, and I don't even use vehicles. Halo is the most player skilled game out there, but nice try ;)
Take it you've never played Unreal. |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:48:00 -
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IGN + 9.8 review .......
I wonder how much M$ stumped up for that one?
Anybody who takes IGN's reviews with more than a pinch of salt is an idiot. You'll be telling me metacritic and IMDB aren't biased next lol. |
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ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:49:00 -
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Just by making this game a real beta, CCP has my thumbs up. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:12:00 -
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Halo 4 is just a rehash of halo 1, 2 , 3, whatever the fk they called that other one and now they have Halo 4.... if you make that many replications of the same game with improvements on each after 10+ years you better score a 9.8 or quit your fkn job. That being said, Dust will not score high, but also not low. I project a 7- 7.5, which imo is an acceptable and well earned score for ccp. They have picked up some of the best awards for pc. Eve was fkn terrible on day 1, now look at it. Sure it has a few problems still, but some of those just really can't be fixed unless they redid everything ( something about complexity and problems with the orginal coding and guy who wrote it not being around ) It takes like 30 years to max skill on eve, it has been around for 10 years now.. what do you think dust will score in 10 years :) Halo, cod and the likes will be old news |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:16:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:I think of DUST as scotch, and most of the other games as beer. Both good, all depends on what you're looking for in your favourite poison. Best analogy ever. Of all time. (But then again, I like scotch rather a lot...)
Here's hoping CCP can pull of the same trick they did with EVE, making a game which gets more and more subscribers every year for nearly a decade now.
Even if Dust isn't the most successful game of all time, it definitely has the potential to maintain a largish group of dedicated players pretty much indefinitely. And if CCP keep doing expansions all that time... 11/10 is a real possibility |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
201
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:22:00 -
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I'll play Halo 4 and Black Ops 2, etc. However, I will be bored of these games fairly quickly and then end up waiting for Black Ops 3, CoD 26.8, Halo 9, etc. DUST, on the other hand, will remain my go-to game because it has a reason to play beyond running in circles killing peeps. It's a beta now, the gunplay is less refined, but in the end I could care less as long as the people I am shooting are dieing to protect a planet in the politically charged EVE universe. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:24:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Halo 4 is just a rehash of halo 1, 2 , 3, whatever the fk they called that other one and now they have Halo 4.... if you make that many replications of the same game with improvements on each after 10+ years you better score a 9.8 or quit your fkn job. That being said, Dust will not score high, but also not low. I project a 7- 7.5, which imo is an acceptable and well earned score for ccp. They have picked up some of the best awards for pc. Eve was fkn terrible on day 1, now look at it. Sure it has a few problems still, but some of those just really can't be fixed unless they redid everything ( something about complexity and problems with the orginal coding and guy who wrote it not being around ) It takes like 30 years to max skill on eve, it has been around for 10 years now.. what do you think dust will score in 10 years :) Halo, cod and the likes will be old news if you take IGN or any "gaming journalism" seriously you might have something wrong with your perception of reality.
they are incredably biased toward the developer. they support day one DLC, they support the banishment of used games, they support selling out, they get their money from ad revenue from these developers. if they gave it a bad score the developer will stop giving them ad money.
just look at the IGN video of them telling that the gamers are entitled when EA failed to meet what they promised.
anyone that supports IGN or any of these backwater companies are not real. developers just see them as another way to push their product. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:24:00 -
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Illuminaughty-696 wrote:I'll play Halo 4 and Black Ops 2, etc. However, I will be bored of these games fairly quickly and then end up waiting for Black Ops 3, CoD 26.8, Halo 9, etc. DUST, on the other hand, will remain my go-to game because it has a reason to play beyond running in circles killing peeps. It's a beta now, the gunplay is less refined, but in the end I could care less as long as the people I am shooting are dieing to protect a planet in the politically charged EVE universe.
This ^^^.. and LOL COD 26.8 |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:29:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Halo 4 is just a rehash of halo 1, 2 , 3, whatever the fk they called that other one and now they have Halo 4.... if you make that many replications of the same game with improvements on each after 10+ years you better score a 9.8 or quit your fkn job. That being said, Dust will not score high, but also not low. I project a 7- 7.5, which imo is an acceptable and well earned score for ccp. They have picked up some of the best awards for pc. Eve was fkn terrible on day 1, now look at it. Sure it has a few problems still, but some of those just really can't be fixed unless they redid everything ( something about complexity and problems with the orginal coding and guy who wrote it not being around ) It takes like 30 years to max skill on eve, it has been around for 10 years now.. what do you think dust will score in 10 years :) Halo, cod and the likes will be old news if you take IGN or any "gaming journalism" seriously you might have something wrong with your perception of reality. they are incredably biased toward the developer. they support day one DLC, they support the banishment of used games, they support selling out, they get their money from ad revenue from these developers. if they gave it a bad score the developer will stop giving them ad money. just look at the IGN video of them telling that the gamers are entitled when EA failed to meet what they promised. anyone that supports IGN or any of these backwater companies are not real. developers just see them as another way to push their product.
I don't really pay attention to ANY reviews, I play a demo or a friends version and if I like it I buy it. But I still stand by what I said that ccp will probably get a 7-7.5 and in a few years surpass anything halo or cod has achieved in thier 10 years |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:32:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote: I don't really pay attention to ANY reviews, I play a demo or a friends version and if I like it I buy it. But I still stand by what I said that ccp will probably get a 7-7.5 and in a few years surpass anything halo or cod has achieved in thier 10 years
true, i don't see very high scores from anywhere. unless they give big bucks to IGN for ads. which i don't think they will bother. it's free, people can try it out for themselves. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:43:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:ReGnUM GODofGODS DEI wrote:Welcome to the big leagues CCP HALO4 and BO2 are the games you're competing against, and sadly DUST is far behind . I don't even think that if CCP worked on this game for a another year they could score 5 by IGN. DUST= GREAT CONCEPT HORRIBLE EXECUTION 5 months of nothing That's a great acheivement for Bungie. For me, Halo or any of the other online shooters are not competition for DUST/EVE. This is because they are games, entertainment products, but not a genuine war, which is what we have in New Eden. In fact, to call the war in New Eden 'persistent' is to trivialize it. So far as I can tell, the opportunity to wage a real war against world-class opponents exists and will only exist in New Eden. But it is certainly not for everybody, there are logistical and orginisational aspects to being involved in a real war that some gamers will find a giant PITA, tbh. To me it's an acquired taste. I think of DUST as scotch, and most of the other games as beer. Both good, all depends on what you're looking for in your favorite poison. None of that persistent stuff exists yet. All we have right now is a lobby shooter.
I call 9 years and a history that would fill multiple volumes persistence. DUST is already a part of that. The remaining question is whether it will ultimately be a footnote, a chapter or one of two great books that tell the story of New Eden. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1590
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:40:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:In Halo's defense, many many others sites gave it a very high score, so its not just IGN. Reviewers are people, and reviews are just opinions; they are allowed to think a game is nearly perfect or completely perfect. People say perfection is impossible, but it isn't, its just subjective. From what I hear, Halo 4 has a very good campaign with a good story, great gameplay that people really enjoy, multiplayer with lots of content that people really enjoy with lots of content, and an episodic co-op story with many seasons of weekly episodic missions. Microsoft spent so much on this game, the production value is tremendous. The very high score doesn't seem unwarranted. I'm not a Halo player, and I don't have or want a Xbox360.
About Dust, I don't think it has a chance against the high profile shooters like Halo 4 and BO2 when it comes to reviews, but its free, lots of depth, decent gameplay (I enjoy it more than most shooters); people will download it and play it, and it could get more players then both BO2 and Halo 4 combined. I think Dust will at least do ok in the reviews. Again, you are comparing Halo which is a completed game that has been iterated multiple times since it's initial release back in 2004 and has been backed by a multi billion-dollar company like Microsoft (who is just as powerful as Apple) that has been around since the age of the FIRST WINDOWS OS in computer history to Dust 514 which has not even finished closed beta yet being created by CCP which is a small Icelandic company in a country whose total population is less than that of its subscriber base for Eve Online and doesn't have much money compared to the big boys. Your point is MOOT!!!!! You really think Dust is going to get great reviews compared to other big high profile shooters? Be realistic. I like Dust way more than these other games? Do you think the reviewers who are use to simple easy games like Halo and CoD are going to like something as complex and deep as Dust? They're going to take points off for the graphics, and for how hard things are to understand at first (this game is very confusing). Yes the game is in open beta, but do you honestly think that this game is suddenly going to get Halo 4 level graphics, and get super dumbed down user friendly? I think you're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying that Dust 514 has to get great reviews, in fact I don't care much about the reviews since the game will be free and have lots of players (like I already said). I know CCP is a company from a small company which doesn't have nearly as much money as "the big boys", and they're competing against old experienced shooter IPs, but that's precisely why Dust won't be able to beat them in the reviews, but like I said THATS OK, because Dust doesn't have to beat them in reviews (free game). My point: Dust 514 can't compete with the big moneybag IPs when it comes to reviews, but that's OK because the game is free.
Sigh
It's you who missed my point. Now, if you don't mind, I have more important things to do than waste more of my time arguing with the likes of you.
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Sev Alcatraz
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
185
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:48:00 -
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i don't own a Xbox nor will i ever so i couldn't give 2 ***** about halo 4 |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.11.02 21:17:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:i don't own a Xbox nor will i ever so i couldn't give 2 ***** about halo 4
^ This
Also, Regnum posts |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.11.02 21:46:00 -
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for what it's worth... halo4 also did very well at 1up, metacritic, gamespot, eurogamer, joystiq, gamesradar, and pennyarcade.
i mean... are they ALL in microsofts pocket? |
Richard Blackburn
Blackburn Odyssey
55
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:21:00 -
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Specter RND wrote:ReGnUM GODofGODS DEI wrote:Welcome to the big leagues CCP HALO4 and BO2 are the games you're competing against, and sadly DUST is far behind . I don't even think that if CCP worked on this game for a another year they could score 5 by IGN. DUST= GREAT CONCEPT HORRIBLE EXECUTION 5 months of nothing You mean the "Games that've done almost everything the same every single year on November and brainwashed almost everyone into thinking they're great games but they're not"? Yeah I assume you mean those. aint nothing wrong with halo |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:36:00 -
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What IGN is to 360 games, is what MSNBC is to Obama. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:37:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:What IGN is to 360 games, is what MSNBC is to Obama. this is the correct answer |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:27:00 -
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Lords of gaming... Sheesh.. This thread degenerated rather quickly and violently too I may add. |
ReGnUM GODofGODS DEI
80
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:42:00 -
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Player base skill
Halo>BO2>Every other game >Dorra the exploer, DUST |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:03:00 -
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really ccp didn't have to let us beta test the game yet |
JaZZa01
FIND CARL CORP
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:35:00 -
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Fanboys. As far as the eye can see!... |
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