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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:40:00 -
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I was wondering about the SP cap numbers?? I noticed we get 1K SP per hour so thats 168 hours per week. So passive SP is 168K per week??
But then my question : Given 500k SP per week is it active and then the 168K SP is extra?? OR. 168K passive and 332K active??
My SP is around 2M and I am getting on Tuesday 220 SP for a ten kills and 1200 WP game.
So if?? its capped at 332K SP ACTIVE per week then thats really LOW!!
Just wondering what results others are getting??
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
295
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:44:00 -
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A capsuleer gets about 1.4 million SP per month. If a really active mercenary can earn 2 million then I think that's pretty good.
It'd be interesting to see if CCP could switch EVE over to a similar system. |
Chankk Saotome
CrimeWave Syndicate
170
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:45:00 -
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The passive definitely seems to be on TOP of active gain at 500.
I was able to earn nearly 620k this last week before reset so... yeah...
I'm still calculating exact numbers myself. This week (depending on what the SP deal actually is) is probably a dud for getting those numbers but possibly the one after. It does mean ignoring my ALTs to get my main to the active cap which takes me longer than some of my more hardcore corp members and common squaddies. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:50:00 -
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Those numbers I posted are NO booster used. Three days that I played around four hours each and one day I played two hours.
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
140
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Posted - 2012.10.31 15:01:00 -
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FYI I believe its 28,800 SP every 24 hours with the passive SP gain. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.31 18:22:00 -
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skills are cheaper in dust |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:11:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:A capsuleer gets about 1.4 million SP per month. If a really active mercenary can earn 2 million then I think that's pretty good.
It'd be interesting to see if CCP could switch EVE over to a similar system. EVE did originally have a similar system back in its beta days. But it got boosted to hell and back and was swiftly cut. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:14:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I was wondering about the SP cap numbers?? I noticed we get 1K SP per hour so thats 168 hours per week. So passive SP is 168K per week??
But then my question : Given 500k SP per week is it active and then the 168K SP is extra?? OR. 168K passive and 332K active??
My SP is around 2M and I am getting on Tuesday 220 SP for a ten kills and 1200 WP game.
So if?? its capped at 332K SP ACTIVE per week then thats really LOW!!
Just wondering what results others are getting??
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
But we have been heard. QQing FTW.
#8Posted: 2012.10.30 10:53 | Report The following topics were discussed by the dev team this week regarding gameplay issues in the beta:
Lack of AURUM items, SP boosters and the SP cap Update: The dev team is working on adding more AURUM related items and features. The dev team is also planning to change the SP cap to a daily cap.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=381213#post381213 |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.31 21:39:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I was wondering about the SP cap numbers?? I noticed we get 1K SP per hour so thats 168 hours per week. So passive SP is 168K per week??
But then my question : Given 500k SP per week is it active and then the 168K SP is extra?? OR. 168K passive and 332K active??
My SP is around 2M and I am getting on Tuesday 220 SP for a ten kills and 1200 WP game.
So if?? its capped at 332K SP ACTIVE per week then thats really LOW!!
Just wondering what results others are getting??
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY But we have been heard. QQing FTW. #8Posted: 2012.10.30 10:53 | Report The following topics were discussed by the dev team this week regarding gameplay issues in the beta: Lack of AURUM items, SP boosters and the SP cap Update: The dev team is working on adding more AURUM related items and features. The dev team is also planning to change the SP cap to a daily cap. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=381213#post381213
Whos QQ?? It can be a MONTHLY cap and I care about the same.
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Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:53:00 -
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I like the weekly cap. As someone who can't play everday it benefits me. It also benefits everyone who has a full time job and a family (or social life). That currently seems to be CCPs demographic. |
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HEAT SoulRipper
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
45
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:11:00 -
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Reimus Klinsman wrote:I like the weekly cap. As someone who can't play everday it benefits me. It also benefits everyone who has a full time job and a family (or social life). That currently seems to be CCPs demographic.
lol you're an idiot. It benefits no one and it will keep this game on the back burner for people. The game will fail if they keep a SP cap, mark my words.
I can hit the cap in 3 days easily. But then again, for people like you who can't play, yeah it does benefit your low scoring, no skill having games.
Enjoy the game if they keep the cap because you'll be playing against the same people over and over or you can have fun with the PVE if you like playing with yourself.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:27:00 -
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Weekly cap benefits casual players over dedicated gamers.
People who put more time into the game will, to a certain degree, be PUNISHED for doing so when playing on a weekly cap. Those who have other commitments that prevent them from getting regular playtime will be able to keep up much easier with the hardcore players.
To be honest, that shouldn't happen. They should bring back the daily sliding scale where you get diminishing returns after a certain amount of SP earnings. There should never be a zero point, but it should be possible to wear your SP earnings down pretty low. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:34:00 -
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If ther is no cap then no lifes will just hammer up the SP and be days/weeks ahead of ppl who have jobs/family etc
No lifes complain they hit the cap, boo hoo plays another game until it resets, players who have jobs/familiy etc dont mind they can catch up to within a few thousands
CCP cannot win either way because ppl will cry for some reason or another
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Novas Prime
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:38:00 -
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you can keep some people happy some of the time but not everyone happy all of the time. SP caps fine as it is. Some people could definitely do with getting some fresh air |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:43:00 -
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I for one quite like the weekly cap, sure it could use some refinements, such as being a soft cap rather than a hard cap, but all in all it allows people who have a life (job / college, social life, family etc.) to compete on relatively even footing with those whose only goal in life is to shoot a bunch of pixels at some other pixels. (Actual gaming skill aside) |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.04 19:51:00 -
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Name me another FPS game that penalises you for wanting to play and rank up your character, or skills, or get shinier toys.
This whole, 7 yr thing, stupidly long skill tree with no option to respec and even dumber SP cap will really make this game popular.
Er, no, it will not.
SEVEN YEARS.............. lol.
Yeah I'll play this.................. In seven years, after my passive has given me all the points to rank everything up.
So I suggest everyone create their characters on release, then come back in 7 yrs. |
HEAT SoulRipper
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
45
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:15:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Name me another FPS game that penalises you for wanting to play and rank up your character, or skills, or get shinier toys. This whole, 7 yr thing, stupidly long skill tree with no option to respec and even dumber SP cap will really make this game popular. Er, no, it will not. SEVEN YEARS.............. lol. Yeah I'll play this.................. In seven years, after my passive has given me all the points to rank everything up. So I suggest everyone create their characters on release, then come back in 7 yrs.
Right it's a penalty. It's a joke, and that will be the reason people will not play this game in the long run.
The arguments that are coming out about "not having a life" or "getting fresh air" are from the very people who are below average in skill and are always at the bottom of the leader board for WP and lone wolf the **** out of the maps.
It doesn't take but 2-3 days to reach that 500k cap AND faster with boosters. I've said this before and will say it again, WTF is the point of buying boosters when there's a cap? Last I checked this game (and any game) is out to make money. Have a cap and boosters are pointless and therefore no one will buy AUR to purchase boosters.
With money coming into corps from EVE that will make the ISK items cheap and since you can kill just as fast with a lvl V weapon as you can with a "militia rifle" also makes AUR not necessary.
So why should I be penalized and put a few dollars into a game so we can make the losers feel good? Take your "spread the wealth" and libtard mentality elsewhere.
I'm OK with seeing guys like SI or Imperfects or Tritan or Zion, KEQ and ANNON (the corpse who work and run together as a TEAM) having a few guys with higher skills, etc... It shows that team work pays off and gives someone something to work for.
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Radioship
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:21:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Name me another FPS game that penalises you for wanting to play and rank up your character, or skills, or get shinier toys. This whole, 7 yr thing, stupidly long skill tree with no option to respec and even dumber SP cap will really make this game popular. Er, no, it will not. SEVEN YEARS.............. lol. Yeah I'll play this.................. In seven years, after my passive has given me all the points to rank everything up. So I suggest everyone create their characters on release, then come back in 7 yrs. Therese no point explaining you how much time it will take for EVE capsuleer to get his Skills to max and yet it does have a CAP, call it daily, weekly or yearly. So your theory failed here. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:26:00 -
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I would like to see this as a AUR booster item.
It has one use, and it can only be used to upgrade any skill by one level. it takes your passive SP and imports it into that skill. once activated, it cannot be stopped until that skill reaches the next level. You cannot use any other actively gained skill points to add to the skill once the booster has been activated. The booster will not stop until it reaches the next level.
Which means if you're trying to get to a LV 5 suit, you will activate this booster on this skill, and it'll start transferring every passive skill point into this skill. Also, because the lv 5 suit skills are over 5 million (or something like that) it would actually take you longer to upgrade then by just using active skill points instead.
it's not pay to win, it's more around the lines of "pay to not worry about it"
maybe make it cost 1000 AUR. |
Radioship
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:35:00 -
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Suggestion to this is quite simple, do a 85/15 or even 90/10, instead of 60/40 (as it is right now), making its good to play more matches for SP but pointless to farm, and remove cap. So avg. player will still get his 1m SP per week, while some jobless nerd will have 1.2-1.3 max. Its a same as it is right now (you get SP while you are at cap), but the word "cap" makes halo/mag/whatever nerdboys feels bad. |
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ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:48:00 -
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Nah nah nah whine eve whine nah nah nah.
EVE player below.
'' It's taken me 10yrs to rank my char on EVE............. And I'm still a virgin ''
God help me I'm surrounded by idiots. |
Radioship
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:51:00 -
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This community is full of 14y/o unemployed kids, who came from Halo/Mag/whatever. So sad they are "beta testers". I cba to explain fundamental stuff. |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:58:00 -
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Radioship wrote:This community is full of 14y/o unemployed kids, who came from Halo/Mag/whatever. So sad they are "beta testers". I cba to explain fundamental stuff.
i am 34 you are a cun t nuff said |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:59:00 -
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Radioship wrote:This community is full of 14y/o unemployed kids, who came from Halo/Mag/whatever. So sad they are "beta testers". I cba to explain fundamental stuff.
Ah so you're a fudamentalist, explains it all. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.11.04 21:44:00 -
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Too many "break the cap" cry babies that are obviously misinformed and refuse to be educated. All I hear from these people are CoD, BF3, etc. Dust isn't, and will never be, like those games. If you want what's in those games so badly, leave Dust and play those games. It's that simple.
If you want to stay here and not get criticized by the mature thinking players, then grow the hell up, become informed on what you're talking about, and make an intellectual post that players other than the Veruca Salt people out there.
For those who don't understand the "Veruca Salt" reference, she was a spoiled little rich girl who's favorite phrase to whine was "I want it NOW!" |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:40:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Too many "break the cap" cry babies that are obviously misinformed and refuse to be educated. All I hear from these people are CoD, BF3, etc. Dust isn't, and will never be, like those games. If you want what's in those games so badly, leave Dust and play those games. It's that simple.
If you want to stay here and not get criticized by the mature thinking players, then grow the hell up, become informed on what you're talking about, and make an intellectual post that players other than the Veruca Salt people out there.
For those who don't understand the "Veruca Salt" reference, she was a spoiled little rich girl who's favorite phrase to whine was "I want it NOW!"
Hmmmm.
EVE player perchance.
Yup thought so, go back to your space rocket PACman. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:51:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:A capsuleer gets about 1.4 million SP per month. If a really active mercenary can earn 2 million then I think that's pretty good.
It'd be interesting to see if CCP could switch EVE over to a similar system. I thought about this for roughly 3 seconds, and then the sounds of rage almost blew out my brain. Can you even imagine how all the bittervets would react to everyone suddenly being able to get the skills they spent years training for in a fraction of the time? |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:53:00 -
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Reimus Klinsman wrote:I like the weekly cap. As someone who can't play everday it benefits me. It also benefits everyone who has a full time job and a family (or social life). That currently seems to be CCPs demographic.
Putting aside whether there should be a cap for another discussion, if there is one I think weekly is a nice compromise. I would rather get a few good sessions in and get near cap, rather than feel the need to log in each day just to get the same aggregate skill points. Much easier to coordinate for smaller clans, casual players and I don't see the downside for those on every day.
I would also much rather have the flexibility of using the 1, 3 and 7 day boosters, rather than always needing to use the 7. Conversely, CCP may prefer the latter. |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:53:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Too many "break the cap" cry babies that are obviously misinformed and refuse to be educated. All I hear from these people are CoD, BF3, etc. Dust isn't, and will never be, like those games. If you want what's in those games so badly, leave Dust and play those games. It's that simple.
If you want to stay here and not get criticized by the mature thinking players, then grow the hell up, become informed on what you're talking about, and make an intellectual post that players other than the Veruca Salt people out there.
For those who don't understand the "Veruca Salt" reference, she was a spoiled little rich girl who's favorite phrase to whine was "I want it NOW!"
you one of them crap player types QQing about getting left behind by the proper player base |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:06:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Hmmmm.
EVE player perchance.
Yup thought so, go back to your space rocket PACman.
Played Eve. Haven't for a while. Play CoD4 and MW2, Resistance, Halo, and a few others so your argument is void.
oneshytalk wrote:you one of them crap player types QQing about getting left behind by the proper player base
You've obviously never read any of my other posts. So thanks for confirming your status as one of those who will never grow the hell up or become informed on what you're talking about. |
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Villore Isu
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:14:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Too many "break the cap" cry babies that are obviously misinformed and refuse to be educated. All I hear from these people are CoD, BF3, etc. Dust isn't, and will never be, like those games. If you want what's in those games so badly, leave Dust and play those games. It's that simple.
If you want to stay here and not get criticized by the mature thinking players, then grow the hell up, become informed on what you're talking about, and make an intellectual post that players other than the Veruca Salt people out there.
For those who don't understand the "Veruca Salt" reference, she was a spoiled little rich girl who's favorite phrase to whine was "I want it NOW!" you one of them crap player types QQing about getting left behind by the proper player base Are you sure you're even old enough to legally play this game? I mean it is rated 16... |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:45:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Hmmmm.
EVE player perchance.
Yup thought so, go back to your space rocket PACman. Played Eve. Haven't for a while. Play CoD4 and MW2, Resistance, Halo, and a few others so your argument is void. oneshytalk wrote:you one of them crap player types QQing about getting left behind by the proper player base You've obviously never read any of my other posts. So thanks for confirming your status as one of those who will never grow the hell up or become informed on what you're talking about.
virgin^^^^^ |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:51:00 -
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Wow, just wow...
GB2CoD and may god have mercy on your soul. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:58:00 -
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Villore Isu wrote:oneshytalk wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Too many "break the cap" cry babies that are obviously misinformed and refuse to be educated. All I hear from these people are CoD, BF3, etc. Dust isn't, and will never be, like those games. If you want what's in those games so badly, leave Dust and play those games. It's that simple.
If you want to stay here and not get criticized by the mature thinking players, then grow the hell up, become informed on what you're talking about, and make an intellectual post that players other than the Veruca Salt people out there.
For those who don't understand the "Veruca Salt" reference, she was a spoiled little rich girl who's favorite phrase to whine was "I want it NOW!" you one of them crap player types QQing about getting left behind by the proper player base Are you sure you're even old enough to legally play this game? I mean it is rated 16...
Very humorous. Thanks for the chuckle. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:59:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Hmmmm.
EVE player perchance.
Yup thought so, go back to your space rocket PACman. Played Eve. Haven't for a while. Play CoD4 and MW2, Resistance, Halo, and a few others so your argument is void. oneshytalk wrote:you one of them crap player types QQing about getting left behind by the proper player base You've obviously never read any of my other posts. So thanks for confirming your status as one of those who will never grow the hell up or become informed on what you're talking about. virgin^^^^^
LOL |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.11.05 00:19:00 -
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Villore Isu wrote:Wow, just wow...
GB2CoD and may god have mercy on your soul.
go back to eve no 1 likes you people you mostly suck |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.05 00:27:00 -
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Villore Isu wrote:Wow, just wow...
GB2CoD and may god have mercy on your soul.
Go back to your space ship PACboy.
And may the devil eat your soul. |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.11.05 00:30:00 -
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HEAT SoulRipper wrote:Reimus Klinsman wrote:I like the weekly cap. As someone who can't play everday it benefits me. It also benefits everyone who has a full time job and a family (or social life). That currently seems to be CCPs demographic. lol you're an idiot. It benefits no one and it will keep this game on the back burner for people. The game will fail if they keep a SP cap, mark my words. I can hit the cap in 3 days easily. But then again, for people like you who can't play, yeah it does benefit your low scoring, no skill having games. Enjoy the game if they keep the cap because you'll be playing against the same people over and over or you can have fun with the PVE if you like playing with yourself. TROLL MOAR
Though I can understand how a cap would frustrate someone like you who has a less interesting life than others and so you choose to game alot more often.
Removing the cap would definetely benefit you and your no life having lack of time in the sunlight existence. |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.11.05 00:52:00 -
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Scurvy Granger wrote:HEAT SoulRipper wrote:Reimus Klinsman wrote:I like the weekly cap. As someone who can't play everday it benefits me. It also benefits everyone who has a full time job and a family (or social life). That currently seems to be CCPs demographic. lol you're an idiot. It benefits no one and it will keep this game on the back burner for people. The game will fail if they keep a SP cap, mark my words. I can hit the cap in 3 days easily. But then again, for people like you who can't play, yeah it does benefit your low scoring, no skill having games. Enjoy the game if they keep the cap because you'll be playing against the same people over and over or you can have fun with the PVE if you like playing with yourself. TROLL MOAR Though I can understand how a cap would frustrate someone like you who has a less interesting life than others and so you choose to game alot more often. Removing the cap would definetely benefit you and your no life having lack of time in the sunlight existence.
this from a evetard nice when you last empty that $hit bucket in your bed room |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.11.05 00:57:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:Scurvy Granger wrote:HEAT SoulRipper wrote:Reimus Klinsman wrote:I like the weekly cap. As someone who can't play everday it benefits me. It also benefits everyone who has a full time job and a family (or social life). That currently seems to be CCPs demographic. lol you're an idiot. It benefits no one and it will keep this game on the back burner for people. The game will fail if they keep a SP cap, mark my words. I can hit the cap in 3 days easily. But then again, for people like you who can't play, yeah it does benefit your low scoring, no skill having games. Enjoy the game if they keep the cap because you'll be playing against the same people over and over or you can have fun with the PVE if you like playing with yourself. TROLL MOAR Though I can understand how a cap would frustrate someone like you who has a less interesting life than others and so you choose to game alot more often. Removing the cap would definetely benefit you and your no life having lack of time in the sunlight existence. this from a evetard nice when you last empty that $hit bucket in your bed room Actually I only play games about twice a week, played EVE for a very short period of time then had a loss of a family member and haven't really gone back to it since.
As I said troll moar since that's all you can do. |
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oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.11.05 01:13:00 -
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Scurvy Granger wrote:oneshytalk wrote:Scurvy Granger wrote:HEAT SoulRipper wrote:Reimus Klinsman wrote:I like the weekly cap. As someone who can't play everday it benefits me. It also benefits everyone who has a full time job and a family (or social life). That currently seems to be CCPs demographic. lol you're an idiot. It benefits no one and it will keep this game on the back burner for people. The game will fail if they keep a SP cap, mark my words. I can hit the cap in 3 days easily. But then again, for people like you who can't play, yeah it does benefit your low scoring, no skill having games. Enjoy the game if they keep the cap because you'll be playing against the same people over and over or you can have fun with the PVE if you like playing with yourself. TROLL MOAR Though I can understand how a cap would frustrate someone like you who has a less interesting life than others and so you choose to game alot more often. Removing the cap would definetely benefit you and your no life having lack of time in the sunlight existence. this from a evetard nice when you last empty that $hit bucket in your bed room Actually I only play games about twice a week, played EVE for a very short period of time then had a loss of a family member and haven't really gone back to it since. As I said troll moar since that's all you can do.
so you dont play much so we who play alot sould suffer ok that makes sense any 1 else's hobby you want mess with.next time you lose a family member take up fishing |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.11.05 01:21:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:so you dont play much so we who play alot sould suffer ok that makes sense any 1 else's hobby you want mess with.next time you lose a family member take up fishing So since you play all the time, those of us with full time jobs and lives outside of gaming should suffer. Next time you come up with an idea try to use a functional brain.
Everything you troll...I mean argue can be countered with an argument from the LARGER group of players which are casual gamers. Believe it or not the hardcore gamers that sink 4-8 hours everyday into gaming are not the majority anymore. So while you may think that devs need to cater to you and others like you who play most often you're wrong.
Gaming has evolved and the game developers know this, that's why more companies are trying to make games appeal to casual gamers as well. Sorry to burst your bubble though.
EDIT: Don't remember who or if it was in this thread, but someone said the devs are about making money, well casual gamers make up a larger group and also have disposable income...wait what's that...there are more of them AND they have money to spend... |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.11.05 01:33:00 -
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Scurvy Granger wrote:oneshytalk wrote:so you dont play much so we who play alot sould suffer ok that makes sense any 1 else's hobby you want mess with.next time you lose a family member take up fishing So since you play all the time, those of us with full time jobs and lives outside of gaming should suffer. Next time you come up with an idea try to use a functional brain. Everything you troll...I mean argue can be countered with an argument from the LARGER group of players which are casual gamers. Believe it or not the hardcore gamers that sink 4-8 hours everyday into gaming are not the majority anymore. So while you may think that devs need to cater to you and others like you who play most often you're wrong. Gaming has evolved and the game developers know this, that's why more companies are trying to make games appeal to casual gamers as well. Sorry to burst your bubble though. EDIT: Don't remember who or if it was in this thread, but someone said the devs are about making money, well casual gamers make up a larger group and also have disposable income...wait what's that...there are more of them AND they have money to spend...
well hope all you casual gamers that spend loads of $$$ on games and gameing all get on at the same time so you have some one to play with the hard core will have moved on |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.11.05 01:37:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:Scurvy Granger wrote:oneshytalk wrote:so you dont play much so we who play alot sould suffer ok that makes sense any 1 else's hobby you want mess with.next time you lose a family member take up fishing So since you play all the time, those of us with full time jobs and lives outside of gaming should suffer. Next time you come up with an idea try to use a functional brain. Everything you troll...I mean argue can be countered with an argument from the LARGER group of players which are casual gamers. Believe it or not the hardcore gamers that sink 4-8 hours everyday into gaming are not the majority anymore. So while you may think that devs need to cater to you and others like you who play most often you're wrong. Gaming has evolved and the game developers know this, that's why more companies are trying to make games appeal to casual gamers as well. Sorry to burst your bubble though. EDIT: Don't remember who or if it was in this thread, but someone said the devs are about making money, well casual gamers make up a larger group and also have disposable income...wait what's that...there are more of them AND they have money to spend... well hope all you casual gamers that spend loads of $$$ on games and gameing all get on at the same time so you have some one to play with the hard core will have moved on hopefully you will, but I know plenty of hardcore gamers that have no issue with this and think it will actually help Dust last longer.
Also you could think of it like this:
-Well I maxed out Dust for this week so I can go play the new CoD for the rest of the week then crush some more casual gamers(call us what you like) again next week. |
HEAT SoulRipper
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
45
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Posted - 2012.11.05 01:56:00 -
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Scurvy Granger wrote:oneshytalk wrote:so you dont play much so we who play alot sould suffer ok that makes sense any 1 else's hobby you want mess with.next time you lose a family member take up fishing So since you play all the time, those of us with full time jobs and lives outside of gaming should suffer. Next time you come up with an idea try to use a functional brain. Everything you troll...I mean argue can be countered with an argument from the LARGER group of players which are casual gamers. Believe it or not the hardcore gamers that sink 4-8 hours everyday into gaming are not the majority anymore. So while you may think that devs need to cater to you and others like you who play most often you're wrong. Gaming has evolved and the game developers know this, that's why more companies are trying to make games appeal to casual gamers as well. Sorry to burst your bubble though. EDIT: Don't remember who or if it was in this thread, but someone said the devs are about making money, well casual gamers make up a larger group and also have disposable income...wait what's that...there are more of them AND they have money to spend...
That could (prob) was me Scurvy.
I have and will to this day stand on the ground of saying that a week long cap (as they have currently) is detrimental to the game. There will be times I'll only have a hour to play a night (maybe) but other times I may be able to put a hefty chunk of time in during the week and weekends.
So I burn through my weekly cap in the first 3 days....and grind the weekend getting 400-1000 sp per game? Well that's a waste of time to me to put into a game to invest into my character. Because odd's are...I'll spend AUR on higher level gear for the matches that mean something.
Otherwise...it'll be a ISK burn, and if you get ISK via corp/eve ....then why spend the time on grinding ISK?
Should there be a 3 day? 1 day? SP cap...yep, that makes more sense than a week long cap. THAT will allow the casual player to build up time and won't burn the booster time either and make them mean something.
Week long cap of 500k = fail Passive skill bonus = joke, it's not even close enough to make a difference for a HC player to a casual one.
The principle of free to play is simple...keep a player online and they'll spend money. WoW had it right by having a subscription based game and making the player put time in which meant they needed a good 6-8 months to build a character and there was plenty of things to do to keep them wanting to come back for more. What they failed to do was introduce new content to get away from the "copy and paste" format games are having these days.
The problem is this...with what we've been shown (that's the key to this) and to have the SP cap in place...isn't making this game all that interesting and different from anything else. Which in turn will diminish the player base and it'll become a niche game and be forgotten.
So all we can do is hurry up and wait to see if what they have planned is worth it.
It's because we're all waiting, playing the same maps over and over and playing the same people with nothing new on the horizon to look forward to that we're here, picking apart what we know not fully aware of what other things will be introduced to maybe alleviate the SP cap concerns.
It would be in the best interest of CCP to start putting out more info for the players of stuff that's going to be in the game AND working.
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Eppenguar Magus
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.11.05 02:10:00 -
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-Yes, it seems detrimental.
I have nearly reached the cap this weekend and have not played a ton of games. I didnt know it was 500K but if so, that means it could probably be reached in 1 good day of gaming.
I wish there was a way to do a /played type command and I could show that at most I probably have 8 hours total on this guy and nearly 500k skill points.
-Now, I do not consider 8 hours to be "hardcore" by any means, rather seems causal for weekend play. I may be missing something here since I am brand new but yeah.... |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.11.05 02:15:00 -
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HEAT SoulRipper wrote: The problem is this...with what we've been shown (that's the key to this) and to have the SP cap in place...isn't making this game all that interesting and different from anything else. Which in turn will diminish the player base and it'll become a niche game and be forgotten.
So all we can do is hurry up and wait to see if what they have planned is worth it.
It's because we're all waiting, playing the same maps over and over and playing the same people with nothing new on the horizon to look forward to that we're here, picking apart what we know not fully aware of what other things will be introduced to maybe alleviate the SP cap concerns.
It would be in the best interest of CCP to start putting out more info for the players of stuff that's going to be in the game AND working.
IKR, don't they have a person or group in place to give us information on the game? Not trying to be a pain, but if they have fixes then they could at least give us something about it.
I guess their focus right now is the tourney so they can actually watch the game mechanics first hand and see what people use most, etc.
I remember reading somewhere from a dev post(or maybe heard it on a blog) that they are working on making a soft cap instead of a hard cap, so maybe after you hit the 500k your SP gain gets reduced to 1/4 of what it was or something. I don't really want to see the week cap go away because if they shorten it then casual gamers will have a HUGE disadvantage, and if they lengthen it then hardcore gamers will have even longer of no/low gain.
A week is perfect because if casual gamers only get a day or 2 to play then they can grind their way to the hard/soft cap on those days, and a hardcore gamer only goes a few days without, but I guess those few days are rather annoying... |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.11.05 02:24:00 -
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Eppenguar Magus wrote:-Yes, it seems detrimental.
I have nearly reached the cap this weekend and have not played a ton of games. I didnt know it was 500K but if so, that means it could probably be reached in 1 good day of gaming.
I wish there was a way to do a /played type command and I could show that at most I probably have 8 hours total on this guy and nearly 500k skill points.
-Now, I do not consider 8 hours to be "hardcore" by any means, rather seems causal for weekend play. I may be missing something here since I am brand new but yeah.... Wow, that's impressive, either that or I just suck.
That's about 63k per hour, I guess that's possible. I just normally take breaks between each game, or play 3 matches and then log for awhile...I can't play for 8 hours straight honestly, I get migraines. |
HEAT SoulRipper
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
45
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Posted - 2012.11.05 02:29:00 -
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Scurvy Granger wrote:HEAT SoulRipper wrote: The problem is this...with what we've been shown (that's the key to this) and to have the SP cap in place...isn't making this game all that interesting and different from anything else. Which in turn will diminish the player base and it'll become a niche game and be forgotten.
So all we can do is hurry up and wait to see if what they have planned is worth it.
It's because we're all waiting, playing the same maps over and over and playing the same people with nothing new on the horizon to look forward to that we're here, picking apart what we know not fully aware of what other things will be introduced to maybe alleviate the SP cap concerns.
It would be in the best interest of CCP to start putting out more info for the players of stuff that's going to be in the game AND working.
IKR, don't they have a person or group in place to give us information on the game? Not trying to be a pain, but if they have fixes then they could at least give us something about it. I guess their focus right now is the tourney so they can actually watch the game mechanics first hand and see what people use most, etc. I remember reading somewhere from a dev post(or maybe heard it on a blog) that they are working on making a soft cap instead of a hard cap, so maybe after you hit the 500k your SP gain gets reduced to 1/4 of what it was or something. I don't really want to see the week cap go away because if they shorten it then casual gamers will have a HUGE disadvantage, and if they lengthen it then hardcore gamers will have even longer of no/low gain. A week is perfect because if casual gamers only get a day or 2 to play then they can grind their way to the hard/soft cap on those days, and a hardcore gamer only goes a few days without, but I guess those few days are rather annoying...
No sir, you're not a pain. The one's who are the pain IMHO are the posters who claim someone who has no life, or to get outside, etc... I have as much responsibility as the next guy/gal but I still get game time. *shrugs*
Anyways...yeah they have a thread going of what they fixed or working on (for bugs).but what about the stuff that we see in game that has the "Soon" on it?
What's that? How will it effect SP? Does ALL SP get counted towards the cap? Will we have in game accomplishments that will count towards the cap?
So do you see the problem with the cap?
Add all those speculations into it...and all of a sudden the casual player hits the cap in 1 or 2 days as well...then all of a sudden his wife goes out of town for a weekend to her mom's and he's left with 400-1000k per match when he could have been making so much more and progress on his character and doing a little catch up!!
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Eppenguar Magus
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.11.05 02:31:00 -
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Scurvy Granger wrote:Eppenguar Magus wrote:-Yes, it seems detrimental.
I have nearly reached the cap this weekend and have not played a ton of games. I didnt know it was 500K but if so, that means it could probably be reached in 1 good day of gaming.
I wish there was a way to do a /played type command and I could show that at most I probably have 8 hours total on this guy and nearly 500k skill points.
-Now, I do not consider 8 hours to be "hardcore" by any means, rather seems causal for weekend play. I may be missing something here since I am brand new but yeah.... Wow, that's impressive, either that or I just suck. That's about 63k per hour, I guess that's possible. I just normally take breaks between each game, or play 3 matches and then log for awhile...I can't play for 8 hours straight honestly, I get migraines.
LOL- No I pretty much suck (which is why I might be missing something- Not sure) But yeah, I nearly have assault rifle maxed and have skilled up a few other things as well.
-But I pretty much die waaaay more often than I kill. I think I am lucky to get 2-3 kills per match. |
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Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.11.05 02:45:00 -
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HEAT SoulRipper wrote: No sir, you're not a pain. The one's who are the pain IMHO are the posters who claim someone who has no life, or to get outside, etc... I have as much responsibility as the next guy/gal but I still get game time. *shrugs*
To be fair I did troll you with "Removing the cap would...lack of time in the sunlight..." so I apologize for that seeing that you changed from trolling someone else to discussing with me.
Sorry for the troll, but I just can't help trolling the trolls...alot of trolls in that sentence. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
334
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:26:00 -
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you can earn 500k a week from active, and you earn roughly 201k from passive on top of that. total SP we are able to earn per week is roughly 700k SP. |
Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.11.05 11:51:00 -
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So there is actually a cap to SP - I thought as much, so thanks you to you kind members on this thread for enlightening me on this issue. Here's my situation, I'm not expecting a solution...
At the begining of this weekend CCP started its first double SP time. So I thought, I've got my own coporation, so it would be nice to have some funds in it's wallet. So I purchased a three day augmentation for double SP. So thats the double SP weekend, also doubled with the double SP augmentation. (three days is something like a pound in real money.) Even though I'm getting games of ten kills, zero deaths and around ten hacks in game also. I'm now down to around 5000 SP per game at max now. I still get the 150.000 ISK per game, but nowhere near the 70.000 SP I was getting at the start. It would be nice if this information was included in the games manual. At present it is not.
For anybody who's intrested in joining a Corporation, mine's called The Zumari Assassins. The TICKER is 1481 - (We use this number here to find out who was the last person to call you.) I also keep a facebook page open and about the Corporation, the games timetable ect....
Zumari Force Projection Facebook Dust Corportaion |
tryian776
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:43:00 -
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You guys need to get out of the mindset of SP caps.
Grinding is soooooooooooooooooo last year.
After release it'll be about objectives, winning key corp battles, building empires. Not SP gain. It wont take long really to max (or nearly max) a particular build (like AR Assaut) and then your focus will be on these bigger objectives.
Being able to gain large numbers of SP will mean more grinding required. I'd rather be doing the interesting stuff than grinding SPS. Look at a game like LOL for an example. The 'xp' phase is not where the real game is, its after that.
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