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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:30:00 -
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D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:
I'll take that bet ( i use controller )
^ one of the controller users that can nail me to the wall
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FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:43:00 -
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I use a controller but from the years I spent playing counter-strike I know a mouse will always offer far more precise aiming ability than an analog stick.
I originally planned on just using a kb/m for dust but it would require me rearranging my living room or moving my ps3 over to my computer monitor and desk. Neither of which seem worth the hassle atm.
Ultimately I wish they would have just released this game for PC instead of ps3. They're trying to hit as many untapped markets as possible though so they went with ps3 yet built in kb/m support. It is a handicap to ds3 users. Regardless of what skill balancing may or may not accomplish, I don't see how its going to work in corp vs corp battles on TQ.
Plenty of people will continue to use ds3, and many will be good, but as was already said here, the best players in the game will be using kb/m, not a controller. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:58:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I disagree. The controller has a huge impact and very effectively creates an uneven playing field.
I'd love to see the stats...when and if they are broken down by controller type...I'd wager -ú100 the top 100 players will all be using keyboard/mouse.
Yeah, you're wrong on that. But anyway, you can't tell if someone is using KB+M or a controller, though. Even if what you say were the case, it would be indistinguishable from the alternative. It isn't like you go into games now and can pick out who's using a mouse and who isn't. There are simply players who do well and players who don't. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.10.23 12:15:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I appreciate we're still in beta, but I'd like to make a suggestion.
That suggestion being CCP pit people together based on control being used.
Me being a DS3 controller user, I feel I'm limited severely in aiming speed and accuracy.
Mouse/keyboard users I suspect have greatly improved aiming abilities.
I'm not complaining about keyboard/mouse users, I simply hope the final game considers the differences and puts people into matches against people using the same controller.
They mentionned it but input type filtered battle is a bad idea imo. Just add limitations to KBM users, and especially mouse top speed so controller doesnt feel too under-powered. Anyway, for those who used to play on PC, KBM in dust is nothing as accurate as KBM on PC. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.23 12:51:00 -
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Frankly I'm not sure what this topic is really about.
With KB/M I can't hit the broad side of a barn in this beta. I can't do much with DS3 either. The inconsistent frame rate makes it impossible for me to hit anything with consistency. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:23:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I appreciate we're still in beta, but I'd like to make a suggestion.
That suggestion being CCP pit people together based on control being used.
Me being a DS3 controller user, I feel I'm limited severely in aiming speed and accuracy.
Mouse/keyboard users I suspect have greatly improved aiming abilities.
I'm not complaining about keyboard/mouse users, I simply hope the final game considers the differences and puts people into matches against people using the same controller.
Im not going to get involved with the M/KB vs DS3 debate.
but what i will say is..
Do you have any clue what this game is, what it is supposed to be. the bigger picture not just this watered down beta.
Corp A wants Planet A that corp B currently owns. Corp A puts up a contract to take it.
16 Players from corp A sign up along with 16 players from Corp B.
Now for the big question. How do you make it so DS3 players are seperated from KB/M players??????
Good luck.
However you can always plug in a KB/M if you think its superior nothing to stop that at all. You can even invest in a couple of switches for about -ú5 at most good retailers so you can change the M/KB control from your PC/PS3 if they are close enough together. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:28:00 -
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Depends on the weapon. And try driving and flying with KBM.
Also, there was already some mention that KBM users and DS3 users would have the option to separate themselves in high sec (i.e. kiddie pool) battles.
But it doesn't really make sense at all to do this for any other part of the game where you want a lot of different types of players together working in groups. And really goes against the entire one shard we all play together thing that makes the EVE universe unique among game worlds.
Also, if the Move controls get sorted out I am sure there will be some players that are better with that device than you can theoretically be with controller, since again, you can move the reticle across the screen quickly and accurately when implementation is done well. I don't see anyone asking for Move segregation.
I was entirely against KBM support being added to this game for initial release to the public. But since it has been added I haven't seen it pose any problems. The KBM guys have difficulty with some parts of the game that I don't (I use controller) and if it allows more players to enjoy the game then so be it. I think it is kind of cool that there can be a game where everyone plays with what they can most comfortably use. The main problem is one of perception. People will assume KBM users have an unfair advantage before even looking at any evidence.
I don't think they do, in the big picture.
Really oppose the sort-players-by-algorithm approach to making things "fair" in high sec. I hope it doesn't get out of control. Algorithms are the things that suggest what I want to watch or eat and who I want to be friends with and no I was kind of thinking I need to be more healthy, so I am going with steamed kale, I wonder if there's a place that delivers? And I am kind of getting sick of Jean Luc Godard so screw your pretentious films time for some Mad Man Dexter Hercules the Legendary Crime Scene Investigator, or maybe Game of Parks and Boardwalk Recreation who the **** are these people? I don't know any of these people. Why would I want to friend them?
But that's just me. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
164
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:33:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:dudeytron wrote:I appreciate we're still in beta, but I'd like to make a suggestion.
That suggestion being CCP pit people together based on control being used.
Me being a DS3 controller user, I feel I'm limited severely in aiming speed and accuracy.
Mouse/keyboard users I suspect have greatly improved aiming abilities.
I'm not complaining about keyboard/mouse users, I simply hope the final game considers the differences and puts people into matches against people using the same controller. Why would it make a difference since the KB/M kinda sucks in this beta anyway? I could possibly understand if the mouse were as quick with the turning speed as it is in every other PC shooter,but it's not,and it's far from it,so in my opinion,DS3 users have the clear advantage right now.
Both DS3 and KB/M users have the exact same turning speed. CCP have designed it so that each suit type will have a maximum turn rate with the heavy obviously being the slowest.
I use the DS3 and get on great with it. My history is mainly KB/M FPS on the pc but the DS3 is very easy to grab and chill out with the game. I have a razor gamepad and a good mouse but comfort trumps the edge I'd get from using them. |
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