Ive been playing this beta since feb-march. and for the last few builds there has been a problem that goes unnoticed at least to me seems unnoticed. ive been in countless games where ppl call in dropships and out run the rockets that chase it!


now i understand that the militia stuff is weak but if the dropship can out run the rockets then why not boost the overall speed of the rockets


and when i say out run i mean i can shoot all 6 of my sets of rockets plus have help by 2-3 other ppl shooting swarms at the dropship and it can fly a constant ring around the map, plus make a fly through the red line and back to get rid the missils that are still on its tail.


now i know im not alone in saying that i dont think the dropships should be able to out run or even out manouver the missils being that a missile is lighter which also means it should be faster and or more manouverable.


now for the ppl not skilled into forge guns (which are also a pain in the a$$ to try to and kill a dropship with as well) i encourage u to like or dislike or hell if u feel like it comment on this exploit.

and for the trolls that feel the need to come in and tell me im wrong and there right, i encourage that as well...

-1 I'm a dropship pilot and even with the mass of addatives on my ship I still get obliterated by Militia Swarm Launchers. I'll be going prett fast in a straight line and they either still catch up to me or hit me from below. The ones I DO outrun seem to have infinite fuel as I still get hit after slowing down to make a wide turn.

Swarm Launchers are fine as they are and it's not an exploit, especially considering any game I get into EVERYONE on the other team miraculously have SL's ready for me. Trolls, don't even say I suck because I've had a few games where my gunners killed the other team.

Ive been playing this beta since feb-march. and for the last few builds there has been a problem that goes unnoticed at least to me seems unnoticed. ive been in countless games where ppl call in dropships and out run the rockets that chase it!


now i understand that the militia stuff is weak but if the dropship can out run the rockets then why not boost the overall speed of the rockets


and when i say out run i mean i can shoot all 6 of my sets of rockets plus have help by 2-3 other ppl shooting swarms at the dropship and it can fly a constant ring around the map, plus make a fly through the red line and back to get rid the missils that are still on its tail.


now i know im not alone in saying that i dont think the dropships should be able to out run or even out manouver the missils being that a missile is lighter which also means it should be faster and or more manouverable.


now for the ppl not skilled into forge guns (which are also a pain in the a$$ to try to and kill a dropship with as well) i encourage u to like or dislike or hell if u feel like it comment on this exploit.

and for the trolls that feel the need to come in and tell me im wrong and there right, i encourage that as well...

Ive been playing this beta since feb-march. and for the last few builds there has been a problem that goes unnoticed at least to me seems unnoticed. ive been in countless games where ppl call in dropships and out run the rockets that chase it!


now i understand that the militia stuff is weak but if the dropship can out run the rockets then why not boost the overall speed of the rockets


and when i say out run i mean i can shoot all 6 of my sets of rockets plus have help by 2-3 other ppl shooting swarms at the dropship and it can fly a constant ring around the map, plus make a fly through the red line and back to get rid the missils that are still on its tail.


now i know im not alone in saying that i dont think the dropships should be able to out run or even out manouver the missils being that a missile is lighter which also means it should be faster and or more manouverable.


now for the ppl not skilled into forge guns (which are also a pain in the a$$ to try to and kill a dropship with as well) i encourage u to like or dislike or hell if u feel like it comment on this exploit.

and for the trolls that feel the need to come in and tell me im wrong and there right, i encourage that as well...

Even the crappest pilot can survive swarms this build. There's literally no counter to them at present except forge guns or rail guns and that's a pretty hard task too.

Oh my god you mean you're not specced into anti-armor AT ALL and you can't hit a dropship with all militia gear?!? Oh the horror.

Let's make it so militia assault rifles can 1 hit anything.

Let's make militia sniper rifles able to destroy LAV's in one hit.

Seriously, these threads are stupid. You shouldn't ask for MILITIA GEAR with NO SP in ANTI-ARMOR to be able to take out a 480,000 ISK dropship. There's a reason they are so expensive.

Like-wise with the militia anti-armor. There's a reason it's FREE.

Yeah, well it's kind of BS that you HAVE to spec a ton of SP into Heavy Dropsuit AND Forge Guns to be able to down a dropship.

Oh my god you mean you're not specced into anti-armor AT ALL and you can't hit a dropship with all militia gear?!? Oh the horror.

Let's make it so militia assault rifles can 1 hit anything.

Let's make militia sniper rifles able to destroy LAV's in one hit.

Seriously, these threads are stupid. You shouldn't ask for MILITIA GEAR with NO SP in ANTI-ARMOR to be able to take out a 480,000 ISK dropship. There's a reason they are so expensive.

Like-wise with the militia anti-armor. There's a reason it's FREE.

Or spec into a proto-swarm launcher.

I gurantee you sit on a nano-hive all game long shooting swarms at a dropship, you will hit it once. And if it's a proto-swarm launcher, it will go down.

That's why it's "Anti-armor" and not "Go to a resupply, switch to anti-armor, one hit dropship, switch back and go kill some more people with AR's"

I agree with cody-p completely here, one thing I've seen mentioned on the forums and I'm gonna reiterate, is that there is no upgrades to increase the speed of swarm launchers, yet there are overdrives and other mods for drop ships (which are very easy to spec into btw). So there isn't really a counter interms of swarms towards a speed tanked drop ship right now.

Also a plus if this whole dropship thing is fixed is you'd get pilots, actually planning there routes, knowing that if the swarms are at x location they have a better chance of not being hit if they fly at say a 45 degree angle of said location, instead of straight on, a mechanic i love from eve.

You know this through experience?

Yes, there IS an afterburner module on the market. It has a PG cost of 625, whereas a standard ship (Myron) is 200 PG short of that. It is impossible to fit on any dropship.

It is either meant only for the aircraft to come, or it's broken and CCP configured it so that it could not be fit.

It is also possible to fit the HAV and LAV modules on a dropship, but my testing to date reveals no statistically significant effect.

I fitted two Jovian (25% each) modules and tested the time from ground rest to flight ceiling vs a ship with two Nano structures and both averaged about ten seconds. That's just a very rough start to testing, but it points to the likelihood that HAV and LAV mds don't benefit dropships.

I will run more accelleration tests as well as rotation tests and report them in another post.

I think we're going about this the wrong way. Instead of asking "How can we make it possible to kill a dropship while it's doing the only thing that could be considered 'evasive actions' allowed by its flight physics?" we should be asking "How can we make it so 'swarm dodging flight' and 'warfighting flight' aren't the same thing?" In other words, let's make it so that flying around at top speed isn't the way for dropships to earn warpoints.

1) Range penalties on the turrets. The turrets need to be there, because that's how a dropship provides support and cover to troops it drops off, but it should lose effectiveness past 15m or so. Reduced damage, reduced accuracy, something.

2) Transport assist points. CCP has mentioned before that they're planning this, or something similar. For those of you not familiar with the idea, they'll have pilots get a portion of warpoints earned by anyone they recently dropped off.

3) Remove the swarm starter suit. As it is now every time a dropship or HAV appears on the field every d-bag grabs his swarm starter suit and goes to town. This is why you rarely see HAVs anymore and dropships are forced to behave the way they do.

What does this change?
You still won't be able to kill a dropship that is moving at max speed around the map. Not with swarms, anyway. But that pilot won't be able to make any money that way anymore. Instead, he or she will be taking position over cap points and supporting troops with rapid transport and acting as a mobile spawn point that shoots missiles. Maybe even fitting a remote rep, who knows? The point is that its role is being changed from "doofy looking AC-130" to "ground support aircraft" like it's supposed to be.
And while it's doing that ground support it's not flying at max speed, and a vigilant AV troop has an opportunity to do damage. Thus avoiding swarms becomes about situational awareness and reflexes, not holding the joystick forward and slightly to the left.

I believe that these three things (one of which CCP has all but stated is coming) are the best way to get the gameplay to where we want.

Actually I have an afterburner on my dropship.

Called engineering upgrades and armor dropships buddy.

An afterburner will get you from the ground (Not even holding L1 yet) to a little bit past the height ceiling in about two seconds.

Ok, that's a big confirmation that he propulsion module for airships does work. Normal time to ceiling is ten seconds, so that's a five fold increase in performance.

I'll have to see if I can skill up enough to fit it on a Myron. I was planning on calculating how many PG upgrade modules it would require along with what skills.

So, does that allow you to hover over a target and still outrun swarms? If so, how close can the launcher be and still give you a good chance at escape?

You know this through experience?

Yes, there IS an afterburner module on the market. It has a PG cost of 625, whereas a standard ship (Myron) is 200 PG short of that. It is impossible to fit on any dropship.

It is either meant only for the aircraft to come, or it's broken and CCP configured it so that it could not be fit.

It is also possible to fit the HAV and LAV modules on a dropship, but my testing to date reveals no statistically significant effect.

I fitted two Jovian (25% each) modules and tested the time from ground rest to flight ceiling vs a ship with two Nano structures and both averaged about ten seconds. That's just a very rough start to testing, but it points to the likelihood that HAV and LAV mds don't benefit dropships.

I will run more accelleration tests as well as rotation tests and report them in another post.

i retract my eariler post, that day i killed like 5-7 dropships.

but after that they still out run and or out manuver the swarm missles.

the rockets that a dropship or a tank fires shoots go way faster that swarm missles... why i dont know

when u look at the 3d map compair the speed of the swarms chaseing the dropship to the speed of the missiles the dropship is shooting.....