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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:06:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable Get shield management to level FIVE.(increases max shields) Ditto for Mechanics. (increases max armour) Put a BLASTER on the main turret if infantry hunting. Or. Railgun if TANK HUNTING. Use friendly infantry as backup. HA get infantry to try to keep me alive? that will happen the same day CCP lets me highjack titans and kamikazi them into the battlefeild. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:09:00 -
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Forge Guns are stupidly cheap and very effective against everything. I still see this as a problem. |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.10.23 03:10:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin. But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin dont look at the direct hit damage because for every 3 forge gun hits there are, one tank shot connects(unless its a blaster but no one uses armor that much who is inteligent)
...wait... it takes you at least six seconds to hit someone? You're a tank, not a sniper, just shoot and let the splash shred him. A single Large Missile volley will kill a heavy, shield extenders or not. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.23 03:12:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin. But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin dont look at the direct hit damage because for every 3 forge gun hits there are, one tank shot connects(unless its a blaster but no one uses armor that much who is inteligent) ...wait... it takes you at least six seconds to hit someone? You're a tank, not a sniper, just shoot and let the splash shred him. A single Large Missile volley will kill a heavy, shield extenders or not. Lol at it taking snipers that long to shoot in this game but on the other point, agreed |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
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Posted - 2012.10.23 06:41:00 -
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One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
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Posted - 2012.10.23 06:42:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable I find it hard to believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P the standard forge gun killed the tank, I knew it was a malitia swarm because there was another tank that was killed 3 times, and then there was a DAU assault forge gun that killed me when i was in a dropsuit later in the match.
Still... You don't know everything that shot at you. :P |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.23 19:13:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable I find it hard malitto believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P the standard forge gun killed the tank, I knew it was a malitia swarm because there was another tank that was killed 3 times, and then there was a DAU assault forge gun that killed me when i was in a dropsuit later in the match. Still... You don't know everything that shot at you. :P I know how many times i got hit and what weapons the AVs had. I can also infer that since a forge gun canot fire twice within the same second i must have been hit by two different forge gunners. I can also infer that scince I saw four missles coming at me It must be a malitia or standard swarm launcher since they only fire 4 missles and forge guns don't shoot missles. I can also infer that scince it is exteremely easy to make an AV weapon hit a tank because they are gigantic slow moving targets, every single AV shot was a hit. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.23 20:07:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. |
Sniper City
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.10.23 20:42:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:I had gunlogi worth 350000 isk and he had aurum advanced worth about 2 U.S, pennies (the proto type equivelent is worth 80000). I dont understand this bs even more because of the skills you have to obtain to get there. Although the AV guy uses about 100 thousand more sp than the tank guy(about 200 thousand less if aurum is used) the tank guy had to pay about 2 or 3 million isk to buy the skill books(i counted but i cant remember which of those it was) while the AV pays only 100 thousand isk to buy them. Also the tracer rounds on forge guns are almost imposible to see(that might be a bug).
am guessing you never played eve
isk value does not mean that it should be stronger |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:31:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry.
Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. |
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:36:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable I find it hard malitto believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P the standard forge gun killed the tank, I knew it was a malitia swarm because there was another tank that was killed 3 times, and then there was a DAU assault forge gun that killed me when i was in a dropsuit later in the match. Still... You don't know everything that shot at you. :P I know how many times i got hit and what weapons the AVs had. I can also infer that since a forge gun canot fire twice within the same second i must have been hit by two different forge gunners. I can also infer that scince I saw four missles coming at me It must be a malitia or standard swarm launcher since they only fire 4 missles and forge guns don't shoot missles. I can also infer that scince it is exteremely easy to make an AV weapon hit a tank because they are gigantic slow moving targets, every single AV shot was a hit.
I still find your argument shakey as there are a lot more variables on the battle field than just what you see. Dust doesn't operate on the "Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal" principle after all. And hits that are simultaneous or within a sixteenth of a second to each other will register as a single event to your perceptions.
Sure, you might know what hit you in this story, might, but that will be a rare case. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:06:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately) |
immortal ironhide
SyNergy Gaming
80
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:48:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately)
lolwut? so people who spec into an AV weapon that is used to take out vehicles only do it because they cant aim and need to use the easiest weapon in the game? LOL fail logic there sorry bro.
I am specd almost fully into Forge Guns, therby making me able to drop tanks and dropships somewhat easily (if 4 shots on a gunnlogi is considered easily). If i get into an infantry battle i WILL lose, not because i cant aim, but because i have a forge gun (not very useful against an ar as i am dead by the time i charge to any decent player) and an smg ( again will always lose to any halfway decent player with an ar as they have more range).
As Shijma said, people use AV weapons and hunt tanks because 1 tank on the field can do more damage than 8 infantry.
Im gunna take a guess that since you have a gunnlogi you use missiles since they are the only thing people put on those now since they get that extra bonus. These truly take no aiming.. just look in the direction and keep shooting and at some point you will get a kill. (unless they didnt address the hydraulics and the missiles still toss the tank around which i havent seen yet this build so im gunna guess they fixed that)
To me it just seems you are upset that people actually specd into something to take out that rolling death machine of yours, instead of into ARs as most people did since you get more infantry battles than vehicle battles with the price of items.
Also, even being specd almost fully into forge guns i can still pick up an assault rifle and kill people, once again defeating your idea that people go AV since they cant aim. Oh and hitting infantry with a weapon that takes time to charge when they are moving actually takes some skill since the gun shakes while charging. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.25 06:18:00 -
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immortal ironhide wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately) lolwut? so people who spec into an AV weapon that is used to take out vehicles only do it because they cant aim and need to use the easiest weapon in the game? LOL fail logic there sorry bro. I am specd almost fully into Forge Guns, therby making me able to drop tanks and dropships somewhat easily (if 4 shots on a gunnlogi is considered easily). If i get into an infantry battle i WILL lose, not because i cant aim, but because i have a forge gun (not very useful against an ar as i am dead by the time i charge to any decent player) and an smg ( again will always lose to any halfway decent player with an ar as they have more range). As Shijma said, people use AV weapons and hunt tanks because 1 tank on the field can do more damage than 8 infantry. Im gunna take a guess that since you have a gunnlogi you use missiles since they are the only thing people put on those now since they get that extra bonus. These truly take no aiming.. just look in the direction and keep shooting and at some point you will get a kill. (unless they didnt address the hydraulics and the missiles still toss the tank around which i havent seen yet this build so im gunna guess they fixed that) To me it just seems you are upset that people actually specd into something to take out that rolling death machine of yours, instead of into ARs as most people did since you get more infantry battles than vehicle battles with the price of items. Also, even being specd almost fully into forge guns i can still pick up an assault rifle and kill people, once again defeating your idea that people go AV since they cant aim. Oh and hitting infantry with a weapon that takes time to charge when they are moving actually takes some skill since the gun shakes while charging.
On top of what Immortal Ironhide has said... I have actually racked up a decent amount of kills with my Assault Scrambler w/ Enhanced Sidearm Damage Amplifier. So the quip about me going AV because I can't aim is an invalid point. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:04:00 -
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immortal ironhide wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately) lolwut? so people who spec into an AV weapon that is used to take out vehicles only do it because they cant aim and need to use the easiest weapon in the game? LOL fail logic there sorry bro. I am specd almost fully into Forge Guns, therby making me able to drop tanks and dropships somewhat easily (if 4 shots on a gunnlogi is considered easily). If i get into an infantry battle i WILL lose, not because i cant aim, but because i have a forge gun (not very useful against an ar as i am dead by the time i charge to any decent player) and an smg ( again will always lose to any halfway decent player with an ar as they have more range). As Shijma said, people use AV weapons and hunt tanks because 1 tank on the field can do more damage than 8 infantry. Im gunna take a guess that since you have a gunnlogi you use missiles since they are the only thing people put on those now since they get that extra bonus. These truly take no aiming.. just look in the direction and keep shooting and at some point you will get a kill. (unless they didnt address the hydraulics and the missiles still toss the tank around which i havent seen yet this build so im gunna guess they fixed that) To me it just seems you are upset that people actually specd into something to take out that rolling death machine of yours, instead of into ARs as most people did since you get more infantry battles than vehicle battles with the price of items. Also, even being specd almost fully into forge guns i can still pick up an assault rifle and kill people, once again defeating your idea that people go AV since they cant aim. Oh and hitting infantry with a weapon that takes time to charge when they are moving actually takes some skill since the gun shakes while charging. 1.you obviously don't know how to use either of those weapons because i can get kills easily with them. I, infact, get kills easier on an assault class when using an smg. also think about it this way: you save up isk for 7 matches(and thats hardly any time at all compaired to most tanks) so you can buy the thing you speced into only to get soloed by one guy before you can even find where he is shooting you from. 2.considering the sp and isk they should do that but they dont, if it was 8 people then they all must have been VERY bad at the game because like ive said I do much better as infantry than i do as a tank. 3.at the time of the two hit death match i was using a railgun but since then i have started using missles and generally die before i get 4 kills because currently, due to the massive amount of range and damage an AV weapon currently has, just leaving the spawn is a leroy jenkins moment. 4.oh yeah the "your just upset because(we think) vehicles are fair now" troll sure wasent over used a long time ago 5.get splash hits not direct hits because just attempting that is stupid (i numbered it according to my responses to your different sections) |
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