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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:44:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!!
This is asinine. You really think the best corp is determined by who has the most EU players or US players with no job? Honestly? You can't even take off because it is spaced out so much. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:52:00 -
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You think the best corp is going to be the winner of this beta event ?
I think the futures going to be very interesting.
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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
164
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Posted - 2012.10.19 23:05:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! This is asinine. You really think the best corp is determined by who has the most EU players or US players with no job? Honestly? You can't even take off because it is spaced out so much. The fact is, as Hunt said, the full game is more than likely going to have clashes of the time zones, so the corp that has members from as many areas as possible is going to rule the roost. And what, are you making excuses already. A lot of the crowd I know here have jobs, partners, a life. Go cry some more
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.19 23:20:00 -
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STB has members over all TZ I dont think they will have a problem same for betamax. I would have money on these |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2012.10.20 00:13:00 -
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i agree even though im EU a game should never clash with the real world, its a big problem with a simple fix just move the times to more us friendly time or have it on the weekends as it tends some corps are unfairly crippled |
D3LTA SUP3RMAN
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
244
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:02:00 -
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D3LTAFORC3 objects to a middle of the workday corp battle time. Come on guys. I thought MW3 was bad about tournaments in the middle of the day at times that are not convenient for anyone |
Jarlaxle Xorlarrin
SyNergy Gaming
67
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:16:00 -
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+1 Got school, man. I've got to get an ehjewmahkashin or else I'll end up like most of America's citizens. :P |
Sandromin Hes
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
204
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:35:00 -
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Same here at SMCIn. Friday is just too demanding for some people in our corp; I'd much rather have weekend times. |
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
242
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Posted - 2012.10.20 07:05:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! When you put it like that...fair F's dude, ya hit the nail on the head.
This is a tournament though... personally I dont care, but im just highlighting your argument is false in this context. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.10.20 07:14:00 -
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Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! When you put it like that...fair F's dude, ya hit the nail on the head. This is a tournament though... personally I dont care, but im just highlighting your argument is false in this context. How is it false? If it was at 4 a.m. every day for U.S. you can bet the same people would be in here complaining. Guess what, we aren't the only players playing this game. The sooner you people realize it, the better. Changing times to suit YOU means that the time may not work for someone else. And to think people told me that people wouldn't think it was all about them. I replied to them that this is a console game, of course it is all about them. Guess I was right hehe. |
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Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
242
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Posted - 2012.10.20 07:43:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! When you put it like that...fair F's dude, ya hit the nail on the head. This is a tournament though... personally I dont care, but im just highlighting your argument is false in this context. How is it false? If it was at 4 a.m. every day for U.S. you can bet the same people would be in here complaining. Guess what, we aren't the only players playing this game. The sooner you people realize it, the better. Changing times to suit YOU means that the time may not work for someone else. And to think people told me that people wouldn't think it was all about them. I replied to them that this is a console game, of course it is all about them. Guess I was right hehe.
I should of explained myself...
I said your argument was false because you were refering to nullsec, as if we should be on gaurd at all times. Your argument was invalid in the context to a tournament, since its a set match thats trying to net in the most players from around the globe.
I was not arguing for the otherside either, i dont know the science behind the timezones, longer times on saturday and sunday (if done right for sunday) at least would make sense as all sides win in that scenario (with individual exceptions but obviously that is irrelevant).
But you cant say "this game doesnt work like that, you have to be on gaurd at all times" or some essence of that when its refering to a tournament |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.20 07:44:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Well, us EU guys have to not go get drunk on Friday night if it's later. Tbqh I don't care. They want If it was 9PM EST I would be supporting this type of thread too. Does SI have any objection to cutting Friday for longer Sat/Sun? I'm not in a position of authority in SI. It's a dictatorship, but the good sort. I just find it interesting that everyone signed up without knowing when the battles were. First thing I checked. I have no wish to play at 4.00am for example. Now, depending how important this is to you, take a day off. Be thankful you aren't in Australia. 1 universe, 1 giant pain in the arse.
Yeah. 4am the earliest and 7am latest.. Depending on DST. But it's better then midnight or during work hrs... And yeah those U.S corps are stuffed lol. I doubt they'll change it, then other corps will get the short end of the stick.. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.20 07:51:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Well, us EU guys have to not go get drunk on Friday night if it's later. Tbqh I don't care. They want If it was 9PM EST I would be supporting this type of thread too. Does SI have any objection to cutting Friday for longer Sat/Sun? I'm not in a position of authority in SI. It's a dictatorship, but the good sort. I just find it interesting that everyone signed up without knowing when the battles were. First thing I checked. I have no wish to play at 4.00am for example. Now, depending how important this is to you, take a day off. Be thankful you aren't in Australia. 1 universe, 1 giant pain in the arse. How were we supposed to know what the times were? The sticky on the forum doesn't say them (nor does it link anywhere that does). Apparently there's a community post on dust514.com about it, but that says it was posted Oct 18 at 00:00, 15 hours after the sticky went live and many of us were scrambling to get registered before the limited slots were taken up on a first come, first served basis.
If it's limited slots i'm sure all of it has been filled by now, but it closes on the 25th so maybe they'll just pick random corps then?CCP let us know who got in! =( |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.10.20 08:10:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! This is asinine. You really think the best corp is determined by who has the most EU players or US players with no job? Honestly? You can't even take off because it is spaced out so much. The fact is, as Hunt said, the full game is more than likely going to have clashes of the time zones, so the corp that has members from as many areas as possible is going to rule the roost. And what, are you making excuses already. A lot of the crowd I know here have jobs, partners, a life. Go cry some more
umm we KNOW this for the full game but u dont seem to get this is a TOURNAMENT do u see the Alliance tournaments starting at stupid times and days for ppl? NO |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.20 08:15:00 -
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Who really cares anymore? They are not going to fix the dust particle glitch before the toury. Tournament is going to be as broken as this build. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.20 08:48:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Who really cares anymore? They are not going to fix the dust particle glitch before the toury. Tournament is going to be as broken as this build. And as LAGY! |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.10.20 09:38:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! This is asinine. You really think the best corp is determined by who has the most EU players or US players with no job? Honestly? You can't even take off because it is spaced out so much. The fact is, as Hunt said, the full game is more than likely going to have clashes of the time zones, so the corp that has members from as many areas as possible is going to rule the roost. And what, are you making excuses already. A lot of the crowd I know here have jobs, partners, a life. Go cry some more umm we KNOW this for the full game but u dont seem to get this is a TOURNAMENT do u see the Alliance tournaments starting at stupid times and days for ppl? NO The Alliance tourny started in the middle of the freakin' night for some and very early in the a.m. for others. So I don't see where you are going with this. You do understand that no matter what time it is made, that someone is gonna get screwed. The US players don't have the right to dictate when others play. That is one reason that the rest of the world rightfully believes we are arrogant. This is not an American company. It is an Icelandic company. We play by their rules and customs, not ours. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
164
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Posted - 2012.10.20 09:54:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! This is asinine. You really think the best corp is determined by who has the most EU players or US players with no job? Honestly? You can't even take off because it is spaced out so much. The fact is, as Hunt said, the full game is more than likely going to have clashes of the time zones, so the corp that has members from as many areas as possible is going to rule the roost. And what, are you making excuses already. A lot of the crowd I know here have jobs, partners, a life. Go cry some more umm we KNOW this for the full game but u dont seem to get this is a TOURNAMENT do u see the Alliance tournaments starting at stupid times and days for ppl? NO
I'm well aware it's a tournament. And much as I now don't think they should change times other than possibly the three Fridays slots, I'll still respect other peoples views on the times. The weekend slots from 2pm ET to 4pm ET are grand. What I do have a problem with is idiotic comments like yours about no job players. Just shows how much you know about the gamers around you. The scheduled times as they stand for the USA, including the Fridays, are perfect for a lot of the service industry personnel, a big part of the gaming community, but no no, little old you figures that anyone that can match the times doesn't work. It's us that miss out on the tournament with the times for the EU as it's going on after the majority of shifts start. Friday and Saturday evening/nights aren't easy to switch. The bottom line is that some time zone gets hit bad. Others don't get it as easy as the ones that it suits perfect. Within that then peoples life's run on different hours. It's a game, not life, so if you can make it, sweet. Cop on and quit whinging. |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.10.20 10:02:00 -
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I'm EU and I think making it a couple of hours later would still be fine for us EU and hopefully make it easier for the NA players. |
STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
60
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:48:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:You think the best corp is going to be the winner of this beta event ?
I think the futures going to be very interesting.
Personally I think the corp with the most activity and timezone coverage will be the winner of this beta event.
And being able to transfer isk from EVE/Sisi is another thing that will help some of the corps out. Those with no Eve support will have less money to spam into the tourney.
So IMO timezone coverage and isk will determine the winner.
Now, those actually showing up to the matches of course must be able to actually kill the opponent but the schedule is laid out in a way to stretch the rosters out to (In my opinion) see who has a deep bench (is the roster dependent on one or two good squads or is the entire corp skilled). |
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D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:09:00 -
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STYLIE77 wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:You think the best corp is going to be the winner of this beta event ?
I think the futures going to be very interesting.
Personally I think the corp with the most activity and timezone coverage will be the winner of this beta event. And being able to transfer isk from EVE/Sisi is another thing that will help some of the corps out. Those with no Eve support will have less money to spam into the tourney. So IMO timezone coverage and isk will determine the winner. Now, those actually showing up to the matches of course must be able to actually kill the opponent but the schedule is laid out in a way to stretch the rosters out to (In my opinion) see who has a deep bench (is the roster dependent on one or two good squads or is the entire corp skilled).
You can transfer money to your corp now from EvE ?? If so, we have unlimited funds lol |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:23:00 -
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Yea ever corp with an eve freind should be loaded about now. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:41:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Yea ever corp with an eve freind should be loaded about now.
Yep, a friend game me a billion ISK. But they saying it will reset before the tournament starts. |
D3LTA SUP3RMAN
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
244
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:03:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:I am American. I could care less what time the tourny is. Why? Because New Eden isn't a weekenders paradise. -A- doesn't stop taking over sov. just because it is no longer the weekend. CCP should NOT pander to us American players. If you can't advance past the first round based on you not getting enough players on 1 day, then you don't deserve the honor of fighting for the championship because this is all about who can CONSISTENTLY field the best team. Not who can field the best when it works out for them. Welcome to New Eden, welcome to 23/7 warfare.
I work Wednesday night through Saturday night. Pretty much every time except Sunday afternoon interferes with my life. Guess what, I will be at this tourny with bells and friggin' whistles!!! This is asinine. You really think the best corp is determined by who has the most EU players or US players with no job? Honestly? You can't even take off because it is spaced out so much. The fact is, as Hunt said, the full game is more than likely going to have clashes of the time zones, so the corp that has members from as many areas as possible is going to rule the roost. And what, are you making excuses already. A lot of the crowd I know here have jobs, partners, a life. Go cry some more umm we KNOW this for the full game but u dont seem to get this is a TOURNAMENT do u see the Alliance tournaments starting at stupid times and days for ppl? NO The Alliance tourny started in the middle of the freakin' night for some and very early in the a.m. for others. So I don't see where you are going with this. You do understand that no matter what time it is made, that someone is gonna get screwed. The US players don't have the right to dictate when others play. That is one reason that the rest of the world rightfully believes we are arrogant. This is not an American company. It is an Icelandic company. We play by their rules and customs, not ours.
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D3LTA SUP3RMAN
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
244
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:10:00 -
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A possible solution is to do it like a corp battle. Set up a simple system of contracts without ISK being involved, but so that corporations can schedule their own battles.
I've been in several 3rd party tournaments over the years, including highly complex "Tac Map" style tournaments with 32 players per team and 32 teams from around the world. Each week we all drew to see who had to battle who, and it was up to us to set the time. The "Attacker" or in this case the team on the left side of the tournament bracket is allowed to schedule the time if they are unable to find a suitable time for both parties.
More often than not, it was never an issue, and I know it wont be here either because the corporations that will be represented in this tournament are all respectable and want to do the tournament. Anyone who intentionally sets a time that is crazy without working with the other CEO could and should be ridiculed on these forums so much that anyone looking for a corp would never join them. Let's show CCP they don't have to be big brother and control everything we do.
It's just an idea though. I'm sure someone will flame it and get the discussion going again. |
Fargen Icehole
SyNergy Gaming
67
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:11:00 -
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Just out of curiousity.
I wonder how many of the people that want a time change, were the same ones saying HTFU, when others complained about unfair game mechanics, OP weapons, etc, etc.
Just sayin' |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
651
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:21:00 -
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The times seem to be ok, as long as its not a Friday (3 weeks in a row).
Friday is the issue, the day of the week, not the time.
Hell CCP, put 3 battles at 2am for US players on Sat./Sun idc... but Friday midday of work/school week is undoable for most.
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:23:00 -
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Fargen Icehole wrote:Just out of curiousity. I wonder how many of the people that want a time change, were the same ones saying HTFU, when others complained about unfair game mechanics, OP weapons, etc, etc. Just sayin'
Yes turrets have been OP for months, now the hulls they are attached to are paper. Since it's not changing before the tourney learn the counters that work and practice fighting different strategies. I still deeply disapprove of the Friday times when the resolution is so simple. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:28:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Fargen Icehole wrote:Just out of curiousity. I wonder how many of the people that want a time change, were the same ones saying HTFU, when others complained about unfair game mechanics, OP weapons, etc, etc. Just sayin' Yes turrets have been OP for months, now the hulls they are attached to are paper. Since it's not changing before the tourney learn the counters that work and practice fighting different strategies. I still deeply disapprove of the Friday times when the resolution is so simple.
I don't think you read his post right Noc.
Just sayin' |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:49:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Fargen Icehole wrote:Just out of curiousity. I wonder how many of the people that want a time change, were the same ones saying HTFU, when others complained about unfair game mechanics, OP weapons, etc, etc. Just sayin' Yes turrets have been OP for months, now the hulls they are attached to are paper. Since it's not changing before the tourney learn the counters that work and practice fighting different strategies. I still deeply disapprove of the Friday times when the resolution is so simple. I don't think you read his post right Noc. Just sayin'
Pre-empting the argument that I don't recognize the difference between broken and unfair. |
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