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DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.16 06:30:00 - [1] - Quote Please someone tell me that I'm seeing this wrong. Are those Militia Vehicle Module BPOs that I'm seeing for30 AUR? The freaking things cost 10-50k ISK each, and you're telling me you get to buy an infinite amount of them for 30 AUR? Raise the price, or remove the BPOs. Militia Shield Extender BPC: 450 ISK Militia Shield Extender BPO: 20 AUR Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPC: 55,920 ISK Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPO: 30 AUR ???
Vance Alken Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 94	Posted - 2012.10.16 07:02:00 - [2] - Quote ...militia BPOs? you're joking, right?
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.16 07:37:00 - [3] - Quote Vance Alken wrote: ...militia BPOs? you're joking, right? For vehicles, no, in fact I'm not. Do you realize how much ISK those damn things cost per use? 30 AUR is NOT an adequate tradoff for infinite runs, what so ever. The major shield mods run around 35 and 55k a piece, while many of the others are 15-18k a piece. The conversions don't stack up at all here.
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.16 07:45:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Are you kitten KIDDING me!?!?!?! Please someone tell me that I'm seeing this wrong. Are those Militia Vehicle Module BPOs that I'm seeing for THIRTY AUR!?!?!? The freaking things cost 10-50k ISK each, and you're telling me you get to buy an infinite amount of them for 30 AUR? I don't like to be the one to really call this, but I'm gonna call this: Pay to Win, Vehicle Module BPOs. Raise the price, or remove the BPOs. Even if they aren't BPOs, 30 AUR a pop is nothing. Enjoy the game? Pay -ú1.50 for 4,000 AUR and buy all the BPO's you tight fisted kitten.
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2012.10.16 07:55:00 - [5] - Quote god forbid that a company wants to make money
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.16 07:57:00 - [6] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Enjoy the game? Pay -ú1.50 for 4,000 AUR and buy all the BPO's you tight fisted kitten. Tight fisted lol, good one. More like open palms. Even if it was a freaking penny, the point remains that this is a HUGE advantage for the cost, there is nothing that even comes close when it comes to ISK. I've never caused a stink because I've never messed around with militia stuff, but now that I'm finally testing tanks I actually took a closer look and hot damn. A tank with AUR BPOs will run 100-200k cheaper than the same ISK variant, allowing the pilot to call in his (militia) HAV significantly more often than the ISK counterpart, especially considering they'll likely die, being militia fits. I don't know, I was more or less curious if anyone else noticed. The disparity was just, really obvious >_<
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.16 08:00:00 - [7] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Enjoy the game? Pay -ú1.50 for 4,000 AUR and buy all the BPO's you tight fisted kitten. Tight fisted lol, good one. More like open palms. Even if it was a freaking penny, the point remains that this is a HUGE advantage for the cost, there is nothing that even comes close when it comes to ISK. I've never caused a stink because I've never messed around with militia stuff, but now that I'm finally testing tanks I actually took a closer look and hot damn. A tank with AUR BPOs will run 100-200k cheaper than the same ISK variant, allowing the pilot to call in his (militia) HAV significantly more often than the ISK counterpart, especially considering they'll likely die, being militia fits. I don't know, I was more or less curious if anyone else noticed. The disparity was just, really obvious >_< [/quote] Jack McReady wrote: god forbid that a company wants to make money Aside from Thukker grenades, I've never had a problem with AUR, at all, even skill boosters that are made completely of sex. It's just this specific instance. Why are they so painfully cheap for AUR, if they're so expensive for ISK? Why isn't there some kind of scaling going on here for the cost? Why does a militia dropsuit module that costs 500 ISK a pop cost 30 AUR for a BPO, but a shield module that costs 55,000 ISK a pop, also costs 30 AUR for a BPO. It just doesn't stack up.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.16 08:13:00 - [8] - Quote it's just beta pricing, clam down,
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2012.10.16 08:24:00 - [9] - Quote crazy space wrote: it's just beta pricing, clam down, this. the prices will be adjusted for sure.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.16 08:24:00 - [10] - Quote Oh, that incomplete set of militia bpos? They don't even have all of the bpos we need.

DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.16 08:26:00 - [11] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: crazy space wrote: it's just beta pricing, clam down, this. the prices will be adjusted for sure. So long as people are aware, yes. I really need to start putting these in the feedback section, I just keep forgetting >_<
Lion Redstar ZionTCD Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2012.10.16 08:39:00 - [12] - Quote Exactly. They are Militia equipment so they are the most basic modules you can find. So no, I don't find them too cheap as long there are better modules in game. Also the price for regular isk modules are just beta NPC prices, as soon the game will be final and modules will be produced by EVE players, they will change. They might go up but they also might go down. Only time will tell.
Jet Clone Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.16 11:25:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jack McReady wrote: crazy space wrote: it's just beta pricing, clam down, this. the prices will be adjusted for sure. So long as people are aware, yes. I really need to start putting these in the feedback section, I just keep forgetting >_< I'm guessing they are cheap so we get them and test them - I'd wait for the game to go live (or be in final pre-live build) before hammering this too much.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.16 11:39:00 - [14] - Quote You still gotta buy the tank and anyways its super weak tbh Im waiting to see if we will have AUR tanks
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.10.16 11:40:00 - [15] - Quote OP has a valid point. adressing this issue is good. sure ccp probably knows this, but bringing it up to the front doesn't cause harm. Some scaling definatly needs done. 500 isk 30 aur, 55k isk 30 aur.. who cares its militia and there is better, it still needs to be scaled correctly. that 55k isk module should be more like 250 aur a pop if not more
Azmode Deamus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2012.10.16 12:01:00 - [16] - Quote Oh wow, so someone can actually get somethin useful with AUR and people complain? WHAT is the big deal? I don't exactly understand what your point is. It's freaking militia items... People need to realize that if AUR isn't worth buying for the majiority of the than this game will fail completely. It's not rocket science. If there is only some value for only a select few people than CCP will not make money and this game will die. In fact, I'd rather see AUR items exactly how they were in the beginning of the last build. They only allowed someone to equip something sooner and or used less PG/CP. For those who keep QQ about "waaaaah P2W", then get off your lazy ass and get a job. Save pennies... AUR is not expensive. So if you don't feel like supporting the game then don't play it. It's that simple. If I can buy a little AUR here and there off my meager wage then anyone can.
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS 1NC 52	Posted - 2012.10.16 12:18:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Please someone tell me that I'm seeing this wrong. Are those Militia Vehicle Module BPOs that I'm seeing for30 AUR? The freaking things cost 10-50k ISK each, and you're telling me you get to buy an infinite amount of them for 30 AUR? I don't like to be the one to really call this, but I'm gonna call this: Pay to Win, Vehicle Module BPOs. Raise the price, or remove the BPOs. Even if they aren't BPOs, 30 AUR a pop is nothing. Militia Shield Extender BPC: 450 ISK Militia Shield Extender BPO: 20 AUR Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPC: 55,920 ISK Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPO: 30 AUR ??? whats up got no aur ??? lmfao any one remember that game call dust514 it was totally free but it did not last long every time they charged real $$$ for some thinking people started crying about it. ffs
Reefersmokintaz Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.10.16 12:28:00 - [18] - Quote If this was the launched game, I'd complain about it. But ffs, let CCP test some sh*t out and prices will come to a good medium when the player economy takes over. Hell, prices may skyrocket and will never get a BPO...just sayin
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.16 12:55:00 - [19] - Quote You do realize anything militia regardless if it costs aurum is pretty damn weak, right?
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.16 13:56:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Please someone tell me that I'm seeing this wrong. Are those Militia Vehicle Module BPOs that I'm seeing for30 AUR? The freaking things cost 10-50k ISK each, and you're telling me you get to buy an infinite amount of them for 30 AUR? I don't like to be the one to really call this, but I'm gonna call this: Pay to Win, Vehicle Module BPOs. Raise the price, or remove the BPOs. Even if they aren't BPOs, 30 AUR a pop is nothing. Militia Shield Extender BPC: 450 ISK Militia Shield Extender BPO: 20 AUR Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPC: 55,920 ISK Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPO: 30 AUR ??? Even if you buy a militia BPO is just a complete waste without the tank. The tank itself costs 150K ISK. Now are you going to tell me that you will be using a militia build for the rest of dust lifetime or would you get something better? Militia equipment cost a heck of a lot of PG or CPU and provide absolutely no additional benefit. Who cares even if its BPO? Its useless imho! Just my 0.02 ISK

Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 785	Posted - 2012.10.16 14:20:00 - [21] - Quote Like said above. Militia modules are crap anyways. Using them on anything more than your starter LAV is a pretty bad idea to begin with, This is not pay to win. In order for it to be pay to win... The stuff you pay for actually has to be good.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.16 14:52:00 - [22] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: OP has a valid point. adressing this issue is good. sure ccp probably knows this, but bringing it up to the front doesn't cause harm. Some scaling definatly needs done. 500 isk 30 aur, 55k isk 30 aur.. who cares its militia and there is better, it still needs to be scaled correctly. that 55k isk module should be more like 250 aur a pop if not more Thank you for actually addressing the issue that I'm addressing >_<
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.16 14:56:00 - [23] - Quote my militia tanks are less expensive than my dropsuits and they usually last me the entire match.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.16 15:42:00 - [24] - Quote CCP is going the wrong way with their AUR purchases. They're moving more toward stuff affecting the way the game plays while almost entirely neglecting the cosmetic, non-gameplay features other F2P games focus on to make their money. I wish they'd do away with things like militia BPOs for AUR and focus on cosmetic features for people to spend money on. In the meantime they could take the axe to all of the dropsuit BPOs we've acquired from events and stuff and convert them into skins you can apply to purchased dropsuits.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.10.16 15:47:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Please someone tell me that I'm seeing this wrong. Are those Militia Vehicle Module BPOs that I'm seeing for30 AUR? The freaking things cost 10-50k ISK each, and you're telling me you get to buy an infinite amount of them for 30 AUR? Raise the price, or remove the BPOs. Militia Shield Extender BPC: 450 ISK Militia Shield Extender BPO: 20 AUR Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPC: 55,920 ISK Militia Heavy Shield Extender BPO: 30 AUR ??? Its a VERY fair tradeoff. DON'T be one of those who want THIS nerfed too! people are slowly killing this title with all the 'imwasers not happy with this, nerf it! LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!!!!!
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.10.16 15:50:00 - [26] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: CCP is going the wrong way with their AUR purchases. They're moving more toward stuff affecting the way the game plays while almost entirely neglecting the cosmetic, non-gameplay features other F2P games focus on to make their money. I wish they'd do away with things like militia BPOs for AUR and focus on cosmetic features for people to spend money on. In the meantime they could take the axe to all of the dropsuit BPOs we've acquired from events and stuff and convert them into skins you can apply to purchased dropsuits. Eve has BPO items, so why not dust? The two are in the same universe after all. notice the title when you start the game? 'Eve, dust 514'.
Whispercrow Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 102	Posted - 2012.10.16 17:06:00 - [27] - Quote They'll adjust the prices accordingly for the full game, no doubt. Assuming, you know, it ever comes out. I would, however, GREATLY enjoy them 'finishing out' the militia BPO items. It's rather tiresome at the moment to not have them all (Militia Shield Extender for vehicles, for instance, but they DO have the Militia Heavy Shield Extender; and where is my Militia Damage Control Unit?).
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.16 17:17:00 - [28] - Quote You do realize that anything militia regardless if it cost aurum is pretty damn weak, right? Yes, I repeated the question. I don't use that aurum militia stuff because I find it better to spend my money on maintaining the universal voice transmitter because at least it serves a useful purpose. Anything militia is crap and not worth the aurum.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.16 18:05:00 - [29] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Eve has BPO items, so why not dust? The two are in the same universe after all. notice the title when you start the game? 'Eve, dust 514'. EVE BPOs are not the same thing as Dust BPOs. Just because I have a rifter BPO doesn't mean I get free, infinite rifters. You have no idea what you're talking about, or you're being wilfully ignorant. Either way, what CCP does with its subscription-based MMORPG is completely irrelevant to what they should do with their F2P FPS game.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.10.16 18:16:00 - [30] - Quote My forge gun loves people with militia BPO's. The 5th one blows up just as nicely as the first.

Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.10.16 19:11:00 - [31] - Quote Militia vehicle modules are not like militia dropsuit modules. The vehicle ones are soooo bad, you'd be a fool to not upgrade them the first chance you got. Example: Militia heavy armor repair 26 cpu, 1232 pg 288 repair Minimal skills heavy armor repair 21 cpu, 896 pg 342 repair 5 cpu, 336 pg, 54 repair difference (that pg is huge, soma has 2555 base, you're using almost half of that with just the repair, if you have a militia railgun on your main turret, that's another 1200, you now have next to no pg for anything else) The militia vehicle modules both tend to take a LOT more fitting space AND give much lower performance (armor plates and shield extenders look like militia versions have 2/3 the health the minimal SP-invested modules have, on top of also requiring significantly more cpu/pg to fit). You're sacrificing a lot to use them. I honestly don't care that they're BPOs for AUR, because if you're trying to use vehicles in any capacity, you're going to get away from militia modules as fast as possible so you can actually have a full fit going on.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 785	Posted - 2012.10.16 19:28:00 - [32] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Eve has BPO items, so why not dust? The two are in the same universe after all. notice the title when you start the game? 'Eve, dust 514'. Not wanting to derail the topic, but CCP has never been happy with BPO's in eve and how they turned out. That's one of the reasons pretty much all our gear is limited use. In Eve, one of the driving principles of the game is that someone who specializes can 'quickly' be on a somewhat even field as someone who's been playing for years. A 5 million SP pilot in a Rifter (very basic ship) is just as good as a 70 million sp pilot in a rifter if the 5 million SP pilot has the related skills trained. BPO's in eve throw that out the window. People who've owned BPO's for years and have them researched to the point where they can dominate the market without challenge from people who just bought a BPO a month ago. It makes for a ****** experience for industrialists who are just starting out, and that's not cool. But... The system has been going strong for too long for them to make any radical changes without generating massive rage. That's no reason why they have to stick to the same pattern in Dust. From what I understand, that is why we will not be seeing any BPO's for mid to high end stuff in dust.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.10.16 19:31:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jack McReady wrote: crazy space wrote: it's just beta pricing, clam down, this. the prices will be adjusted for sure. So long as people are aware, yes. I really need to start putting these in the feedback section, I just keep forgetting >_< Yes it'd be a good feedback thread. Regarding the OP, I agree that the AUR prices should be reflective of ISK prices (CCP controls the whole market in beta after all) so something that's BPC costs 50k ISK should cost five times more AUR than something that's BPC costs 10k ISK.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.10.16 20:39:00 - [34] - Quote 1st: Please stop comparing Dust to Eve. 2nd: True that single-packaged (lol) militia modules are redundant. 3rd: Militia BPOs for 30AUR is by definition MICROtransaction, it's such a tiny amount for infinite use I regard those BPO's totally free for every single soul. 4th: Having a free militia module on the field is not gonna make you better at killing that opponent there - so it's different from the monster called P2Win. As some people have pointed out somewhat related to topic, they are actually bad. Yes they save isk, but monetary balance is gonna be totally elsewhere once the isk starts to flow. (5th on tiniest possible font: no market, beta pricing.....)
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.17 11:29:00 - [35] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: 1st: Please stop comparing Dust to Eve. 2nd: True that single-packaged (lol) militia modules are redundant. 3rd: Militia BPOs for 30AUR is by definition MICROtransaction, it's such a tiny amount for infinite use I regard those BPO's totally free for every single soul. 4th: Having a free militia module on the field is not gonna make you better at killing that opponent there - so it's different from the monster called P2Win. As some people have pointed out somewhat related to topic, they are actually bad. Yes they save isk, but monetary balance is gonna be totally elsewhere once the isk starts to flow. (5th on tiniest possible font: no market, beta pricing.....) Let's not forget CCP said that almost anything aurum will soon be sellable on the open market for ISK, thus undermining the argument that aurum items are pay to win because then people who grinded massive amount if ISK will be able to use them as well.


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