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Tbone322
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.09 03:38:00 -
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I was thinking about trying it out this build, how is it? |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
131
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Posted - 2012.10.09 03:41:00 -
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I haven't seen a ton of people using them, and when I do, they appear to be a medium tier or higher, so the lesser versions might not be great when you start off.
That being said, there is either a bug or a cool effect (sometimes) where if you hit someone either dead on or close enough, it actually forces their character to aim up a ways, meaning you'll have that brief moment where they need to readjust. That's what I've noticed from being hit by them, anyway. |
Tbone322
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2012.10.09 03:52:00 -
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I'm pretty sure it's intended to knock their aim off when hit. I'll keep in mind that the entry level ones aren't very good |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:04:00 -
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I can kill people at 50m with it now, once you figure out how the aimming thing works it's pretty easy.
I use the large explosion radius mass driver. |
dust badger
BetaMax.
283
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:23:00 -
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I LOVE the mass driver, so much fun, just make sure you carry a nanohive and a SMG to finish them off, at low levels you will need 4 good hits to kill people,
it does nice damage to lavs as well.
as much as i love it i dont think i will use it next build, as when FF comes in i will end up killing my own team as much as the enemy |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1902
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:26:00 -
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It drives mass. |
Vadre Zekariah
Zoobog Enterprises
37
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:21:00 -
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The mKitten is by far the most fun weapon in the game. Unfortunately you have to deal with small clip size, low ammo, super slow reload and a re-occurring bug that sometimes makes your grenades have no detonation.
But I've learnt to live and deal with these drawbacks and it is by far my weapon of choice!
3 cheers for the only other weapon in the game that can kill snipers at long range! |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:29:00 -
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it's actually over powered now, but hardly anyone has discovered it yet. once more people start to use it, it'll be the only gun that'll be used. |
Vadre Zekariah
Zoobog Enterprises
37
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:48:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:it's actually over powered now, but hardly anyone has discovered it yet. once more people start to use it, it'll be the only gun that'll be used.
SSSSSHHHHH! Not so loud! |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:02:00 -
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hehe yea I was also thinking about trying it out on a close combat mode.
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:13:00 -
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Basic suck tbh
The high lvl ones are obv better but getting the traj right can be hit n miss |
Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
71
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:18:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:it's actually over powered now, but hardly anyone has discovered it yet. once more people start to use it, it'll be the only gun that'll be used. dont make me laugh please, the damage is the same as before against dropsuits, the splash radius was just slighty increased and some bugs fixed. it is working as intended at most but it is still not worth over an AR. |
Tbone322
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:28:00 -
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dust badger wrote:I LOVE the mass driver, so much fun, just make sure you carry a nanohive and a SMG to finish them off, at low levels you will need 4 good hits to kill people,
it does nice damage to lavs as well.
as much as i love it i dont think i will use it next build, as when FF comes in i will end up killing my own team as much as the enemy
I was thinking of running it with my logi to soften up the red dots for my killers, so the nano hive won't be a problem, the smg however will be a problem. |
dust badger
BetaMax.
283
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:29:00 -
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i dont know if you have some "killers" with you this will be alot better than the SMG :) |
Jonny Moreau
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
13
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:46:00 -
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To start id recommend using the assault variant, which is far better at softening up a group of enemies. If you have green dots with you (because everyone knows all the noobs are marked with blue dots) the assault is the best, partly because of the smokescreen effect of shelling. if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close. i cant use a breach to save my life so i wouldnt recommend them. |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:56:00 -
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Good thread. And for the record, I agree with Jonny, if you see a merc using a breach mass driver effectively you better hope he is blue and not red.
That said, the mass driver is indeed a Support weapon. It is best employed in support of other trigger pullers. Because it is intentionally designed to suppress enemy fire with aim breaking effects while providing some splash damage and good direct damage.
The rate of fire, difficulty aiming and limited ammo all help to balance the mass driver's area of effect.
It has been my primary weapon 3 builds running. I applaud CCP for designing a weapon system that takes real skill to employ and grows well with the merc who dedicates time and effort to it |
DEADPOOL5241
Doomheim
212
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:11:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Good thread. And for the record, I agree with Jonny, if you see a merc using a breach mass driver effectively you better hope he is blue and not red.
That said, the mass driver is indeed a Support weapon. It is best employed in support of other trigger pullers. Because it is intentionally designed to suppress enemy fire with aim breaking effects while providing some splash damage and good direct damage.
The rate of fire, difficulty aiming and limited ammo all help to balance the mass driver's area of effect.
It has been my primary weapon 3 builds running. I applaud CCP for designing a weapon system that takes real skill to employ and grows well with the merc who dedicates time and effort to it
Just got into Mass Driver this build, tried it last build and it was meh.. but this build I do like it. This weeks SP are going to that, to add support to the AR team. |
Reout Karaal
Doomheim
85
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:26:00 -
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It's as much fun as two builds ago, because less glitchy. Two bunny kills in first match on MD dedicated build, lotsa of misc battlefield chaos kills. If you ever played it before you will get back to your game quickly and deal death without even thinking about it.
Having said that: not enough ammo! Carry nanohives.
Oh, and for kittens sake: newbs -- train your aim on inanimate targets first to get the feeling. Then go, get some!
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Vadre Zekariah
Zoobog Enterprises
37
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Posted - 2012.10.10 06:39:00 -
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Jonny Moreau wrote: if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close.
I have to disagree. The amount of snipers I have taken down from a very long distance with my Mass Driver gives some real credit that this can also be used as a range weapon. However, this tactic is only effective for those with experience who can judge the trajectory correctly. |
Waruiko DUST
G I A N T
90
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Posted - 2012.10.10 09:14:00 -
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Mass is hardly OP, but I will say that because its use is more art then science when people tend to get good with it they tend to get VERY good with it. |
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Jonny Moreau
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
13
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:35:00 -
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Vadre Zekariah wrote:Jonny Moreau wrote: if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close. I have to disagree. The amount of snipers I have taken down from a very long distance with my Mass Driver gives some real credit that this can also be used as a range weapon. However, this tactic is only effective for those with experience who can judge the trajectory correctly.
Agreed, to clarify i was just talking about killing normal troops (assault, logi, scout) Snipers and heavies are generally easy kills at range once you get good and it IS an art. The only way to get good is to play and play, and play some more til your sick of MD's, then lay off a day and pick em up again. worked great for me, now i can pull out of a sprint and hit almost anyone in assault rifle range with splash damage, but i almost gave them up because they were too hard to use. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:10:00 -
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do they actually explode now? |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:26:00 -
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Jonny Moreau wrote:To start id recommend using the assault variant, which is far better at softening up a group of enemies. If you have green dots with you (because everyone knows all the noobs are marked with blue dots) the assault is the best, partly because of the smokescreen effect of shelling. if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close. i cant use a breach to save my life so i wouldnt recommend them.
For your information, and to clear your ignorance, green dots indicate people in your squad while blue dots are people on your team but not in your squad. Green or blue has nothing to do with one's amount of experience in the game.
You're welcome. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:33:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Jonny Moreau wrote:To start id recommend using the assault variant, which is far better at softening up a group of enemies. If you have green dots with you (because everyone knows all the noobs are marked with blue dots) the assault is the best, partly because of the smokescreen effect of shelling. if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close. i cant use a breach to save my life so i wouldnt recommend them. For your information, and to clear your ignorance, green dots indicate people in your squad while blue dots are people on your team but not in your squad. Green or blue has nothing to do with one's amount of experience in the game. You're welcome. You just ruined a perfectly good troll. Jonny was saying that all of the randoms who aren't in your squad are noobs.
6/10 troll response Jonny, but I'll have to dock it to 3/10 after Shijima's reply to it. Try to be less subtle in the future. |
Tbone322
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2012.10.16 02:07:00 -
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I've been running MD for the last week now, and I really like it so I'm gonna keep upping my skills in it. It really is a fantastic support weapon, I get a ton of assists and enough kills to go positive.
Does the ammo skill increase the magazine size or just the overall ammo amount? Also is there any point to the sharpshooter skill if I focus on the mass driver? |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
106
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:16:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Jonny Moreau wrote:To start id recommend using the assault variant, which is far better at softening up a group of enemies. If you have green dots with you (because everyone knows all the noobs are marked with blue dots) the assault is the best, partly because of the smokescreen effect of shelling. if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close. i cant use a breach to save my life so i wouldnt recommend them. For your information, and to clear your ignorance, green dots indicate people in your squad while blue dots are people on your team but not in your squad. Green or blue has nothing to do with one's amount of experience in the game. You're welcome. I've never seen a joke go so far above someone's head before. |
ugg reset
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:16:00 -
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Tbone322 wrote:I've been running MD for the last week now, and I really like it so I'm gonna keep upping my skills in it. It really is a fantastic support weapon, I get a ton of assists and enough kills to go positive.
Does the ammo skill increase the magazine size or just the overall ammo amount? Also is there any point to the sharpshooter skill if I focus on the mass driver?
if it follows the same pattern as the HMG then no, only the total amo is increased. however you will find yourself burning through your amo fast without a nano hive. It might not hurt to put a lvl or two into Amo cap. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:34:00 -
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The mass driver is actually a jack of all trades weapon, but no one knows about it yet.
the buff from last build really wasn't needed. |
Lead Squall
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
54
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:27:00 -
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Someone asked earlier how the sharpshooter skill effects the mass driver. Does anyone know?
I have just started using the mass driver and it is a lot of fun. I'm absolute crap with it, but it is a blast. Part of my problem is I can't buy a close quarters match, where I can step out fire, then duck back behind cover. My experience so far has been mainly yelling at reds to let me enjoy my new toy as I lay bleeding.
If you can kill someone at range, then hats off to you. Between the ranging difficulty and the fact it can take a full second to go to points half across the map, it's a beast to use beyond close range, never mind long.
Also, the MD is the only explosion damage type weapon I know of. This pairs well with a laser. Laser burns off shields, while MD melts armor.
TLDR: MD is fun, but hard. What does sharpshooter do for it? |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:29:00 -
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It is an okay weapon. It is not great, but it is a replacement since the SMG is no longer useful without a ton of SP put to it. |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.10.17 02:01:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:The mass driver is actually a jack of all trades weapon, but no one knows about it yet.
the buff from last build really wasn't needed.
You ever use one last build? It used to be my main weapon (haven't touched one this build). Only half the clip would actually detonate- if you were lucky. |
Tbone322
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2012.10.17 02:12:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:The mass driver is actually a jack of all trades weapon, but no one knows about it yet.
the buff from last build really wasn't needed. You ever use one last build? It used to be my main weapon (haven't touched one this build). Only half the clip would actually detonate- if you were lucky.
I haven't had many duds, but every now and then I'll see one explode and it seems like the guy takes no damage. My biggest beef though is the lack of hit markers. whenever I do actually get hit markers they tend to be blue for some reason, even when there are no teammates in the area |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
132
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Posted - 2012.10.17 04:50:00 -
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A very bad weapon choice. My bet is that you would be very soon frustrated by it and would wish you spent SP on something else. It's pretty fun the first couple of games but then you will soon notice that you die a lot more than you kill and you are out of ammo half the time.
It takes 2-3 well placed shells to kill an assault suit. Just to give an idea - the whole clip in the breach version holds only 4 shells and the RoF is slow. Add to that difficulty with aiming and limited total ammo. Now ask yourself if you are gonna have a lot of fun in this scenario. |
madd mudd
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.10.17 07:33:00 -
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Tbone322 wrote:I was thinking about trying it out this build, how is it?
I have been using from start of this build and I'd say its a fair weapon. I can use it for crowd control / support mostly...
1v1 it can still loose out to a starter fit if their aim is good
Mostly I try not to 1v1 ppl at all since this is a team based game, but the mass driver is not the weapon to do it with most of the time... i find it better as a support weapon...
well I did until WP got nerfed and now its more beneficial for me to get the kill than let a squad mate get it... |
Kaughst
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
3
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Posted - 2012.10.17 09:27:00 -
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I have used this weapon since it was first released. It is by no means a terrible weapon, and not overpowered enough that it can not be countered in a specific way. Much of my time is relegating ammo usage and nano hive locations but even I am still learning to improve, that said at this point I almost know instantly the notch to use at any distance and moving targets are less of an issue at long distance. The real trick is surviving with this weapon. |
Riot Ruckus
Doomheim
56
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Posted - 2012.10.17 10:40:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:I have used this weapon since it was first released. It is by no means a terrible weapon, and not overpowered enough that it can not be countered in a specific way. Much of my time is relegating ammo usage and nano hive locations but even I am still learning to improve, that said at this point I almost know instantly the notch to use at any distance and moving targets are less of an issue at long distance. The real trick is surviving with this weapon.
Kaughst knows. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.10.17 10:44:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Jonny Moreau wrote:To start id recommend using the assault variant, which is far better at softening up a group of enemies. If you have green dots with you (because everyone knows all the noobs are marked with blue dots) the assault is the best, partly because of the smokescreen effect of shelling. if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close. i cant use a breach to save my life so i wouldnt recommend them. For your information, and to clear your ignorance, green dots indicate people in your squad while blue dots are people on your team but not in your squad. Green or blue has nothing to do with one's amount of experience in the game. You're welcome. I've never seen a joke go so far above someone's head before.
Nah. I just like killing jokes when they imply that the teller is willfully ignorant. |
Jonny Moreau
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
13
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Posted - 2012.10.17 21:52:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Jonny Moreau wrote:To start id recommend using the assault variant, which is far better at softening up a group of enemies. If you have green dots with you (because everyone knows all the noobs are marked with blue dots) the assault is the best, partly because of the smokescreen effect of shelling. if you one man stuff like me, id recommend the normal MD, as you can two shot assaults when you get good at aiming. they are only really effective at close range, but they slaughter AR's when you get good and close. i cant use a breach to save my life so i wouldnt recommend them. For your information, and to clear your ignorance, green dots indicate people in your squad while blue dots are people on your team but not in your squad. Green or blue has nothing to do with one's amount of experience in the game. You're welcome. I've never seen a joke go so far above someone's head before. Nah. I just like killing jokes when they imply that the teller is willfully ignorant.
Methinks he posts this to cover his ignorance.. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.10.18 02:06:00 -
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Jonny Moreau wrote:Methinks he posts this to cover his ignorance..
Then you have much to learn young padawan. |
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