+1, and 100% agreed. I think Scout Suits need a huge signature profile hiding buff.

Guess I really just needed a different perspective to realize it.

You can do everything the Scout suit can do, in the Assault suit. Scout Suit has no real advantage over it.

I'm wearing the Assault suit on this guy, and playing nearly the same way I played on my Scout character, and I don't feel any different at all, and I don't feel like I am missing anything. and in fact I am doing slightly better because my suit is more Sturdy and I can stand up against someone, instead of having to run.

CCP needs to defiine exactly what the Scout Suit is for, and give it advantages towards that end.

is it a Stealth Suit, or is it a face-to-face combat suit?

if it is a Stealth Suit, then come out and say so, and put an end to all the bickering. and implement cloaking and make cloaking a distinct advantage of the Scout Suit. if you give cloaking to everyone, then the Scout suit STILL won't have a real, tangible advantage.

if it is a face-to-face combat suit, then give its strafing speed back.

right now, its basically a free kill. which I failed to realize until actually facing one, in an Assault Suit. and yes, I am very, very bitter about it. A stealth/spy/hacker type role is the one that I wish to play in this game, and it isn't truly feasible because the Suit that SHOULD be designed for it, is not.

On the topic of speed here's some interesting facts.

Scout = 8.6 meters/second = 19.23 miles/hour

Usain Bolt = 12.42 meters/second = 27.79 miles/hour

Apparently even technologically assisted limbs cannot outrun Usain Bolt by any means success.

i think that is because they don't want this to be an arena style game. i would totally love moving at awesome speeds bunny hopping like unreal tournament.

i would shove so many speed modules on my suit just so i can go fast

take a scout suit and an assault suit. run/sprint with both next to each other and you will see that the speed difference is marginal.

on the other hand the fitting, shields and armor difference between both is huge. there is no point in using the scout suit at the moment.

Needs a higher strafe speed than assault, and a lower sig prof. That would give it back its speed advantage since hit detection is pretty good now.

I'm like a ninja in a scout suit. The scout suit has one huge advantage in my opinion, speed... Its fast and it has long stamina.

Scouts arnt worthless this build I've used them efficiently, a lot of people problem is there no onger able to consistently kill assualts the scout is indirect support and recon suit. Yes cetian fits can be good combat fits that's not were the scout shines, and combat powers should not be were the buffs are directed. To say the scout is worthless is not true, try using it to hack, recin, anti snipe, support. And yes it can skrimish. it needs to you just need to adjust your fits. If the scout gets any buffs it should get mobility and agility buffs and maybe increase the margin of speed between Assualt and scout from 10 to 15%.

Scouts are broken. It may pain you to say so, but we all know it.

signature of assault 50, scout 45
sensor of assault 55 with 15m radius, scout 45 with 25m radius
The scout has a sensor advantage, but the advantage to stealth is not very big.

Increased strafe would help scout, previous builds it had strafe and hit detection not working. Strafe with working hit detection may be good for balance. Even a temporary strafe boost that uses stamina could be enough.

100% disagree

Scouts and assault all eat Shotgun plasma the same way... Laying face down.

I don't need staffing... See the point of problem you are having is one i'm not going to mention, cause giving Ninja reflexes is a earned right.

Why couldn't heavies be cloaked? I think they should be cloaked but when they move they are easily seen, same with assault. Scout class should be the one that stays invisible longest.
Same with a jet pack(if they make them).... Sure all could use jet pack or jump jet, but none would be as fast as the scout... Getting the heavy up in the air should take like a long delay to lift off.

In my thought cloaking would just replace sheilds and once enable and active it stays active until you take damage, which distrupts it... Uncloaking you. You should be able to switch from cloak to shield... AND ALSO Switch to jumpjets/ jetpack..

Again, the jetpack / jump jet replaces the sheild... You can constantly use it but if you get shot at... It could malfunction... And you die when falling.

I also think you could suit up with shield, cloak, and jump jet... Each one can be used but only separately used.

They are still useful for sneaking up to objectives (keep pumping up dropsuit command and add a profile reducer mod and you will notice a difference) but they're officially useless as a primary suit. I'm switching to Assault, with some cheap Dragonfly fittings on hand for black ops. Too bad we can't fit hacking, speed, and profile mods at the same time. (Pick two)

Edit: By the way, has anyone tried making a stealth focused Nova Knife scout? I feel like getting the lowest sig profile possible combined with maxed knife skills would be an interesting combination. (Somebody tried it on me the other day while I was sniping, but his knife damage was way too low and I had plenty of time to turn and retaliate; we both ended up falling off the building but only I survived the fall. RIP Scout Suit.)

The assault suit can do everything you're suggesting, and probably better because it has more module space CPU/PG, and it has more shields/armor. The speed difference, as everyone on this thread knows, is minimal. The scout has no distinguishable buffs.

You want to see a distinguishable buff? The heavy militia is somewhere around 600 or so hit points, double that of an assault. The scout buff is supposed to be speed, yet it's what, 0.8m/s faster than an assault? My militia scout says 7.8m/s, and my assault is 7.0m/s. You call that a buff? Having twice as much something (like the heavy) is a buff. 10% is not a buff.

I tried using an assault to do everything I did as a scout and it was much easier. People need to stop saying to use the scout's buffs when there clearly are none, compared to the other classes. Would you rather have 10% more speed, or have 50% more CPU/PG and 50% more hit points? That's a no brainer, especially considering the extra CPU can give an assault the same speed as a base scout and still have more hit points and CPU left over.

Scouts are broken. It may pain you to say so, but we all know it.

Honestly think that everyone who is opposed to fixing the scout simply hasn't ran it enough to understand how frustrating it can be.

signature of assault 50, scout 45
sensor of assault 55 with 15m radius, scout 45 with 25m radius
The scout has a sensor advantage, but the advantage to stealth is not very big.

Increased strafe would help scout, previous builds it had strafe and hit detection not working. Strafe with working hit detection may be good for balance. Even a temporary strafe boost that uses stamina could be enough.

Or just hasn't tried any other suits out enough.

I'm not saying the scouts arnt broken but the early suggestion for them involved giving the more HP and combat related bonuses, and I think if you want to run scout to act as a nina killing everything that's slower then you should run assault. Scout is a recon and indirect support suit with limited combat capability. Its indirect and recon roles should be built upon not its combat powers.

More Cpu/pg 25% more
10% faster
10% more stamina
10% faster reload and aim
20% lower profile
More modules spread out amonst all the slots

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I believe we have mostly employed the scout suit, during beta, as a speed suit. And it is Faster but that is not the suit's best trait. Stealth in DUST may be based more on player skill and battlefield awareness than on a cloaking mod or invisibility effects.

Glad that someone else finally came into the light - now if everyone else does we might just have a unanimous vote that the scout suit is broken.

Don't care for stealth mechanics as the Scan Profile/Precision isn't very well explained in this build. Without explanation, we can't even be sure if it's working as intended. Cloaking mechanics would be silly IMO as it doesn't reinforce the Scout's speed tanking abilities. Might as well give it the same speed as an Assault Suit if we're going to make it cloaky.

I hate that the community wants the Scout to be a BF3 sniper. It's irritating beyond words as I personally see the scout as a fast skirmisher that harasses the enemy and disrupts it's frontlines so that friendly forces can move in. I've even dreamed of seeing Scouts with knives playing close quarters assassin types that go for signature targets like Heavies/Logistics and leaving before they get in too deep.

"Sniper Scouts" don't help anything as ANYONE can be a sniper. Being able to move fast and stay beneath radar (back to the aspect of not knowing how the scan system works) doesn't account for much when you can't survive being compromised.

I'm not saying the scouts arnt broken but the early suggestion for them involved giving the more HP and combat related bonuses, and I think if you want to run scout to act as a nina killing everything that's slower then you should run assault. Scout is a recon and indirect support suit with limited combat capability. Its indirect and recon roles should be built upon not its combat powers.

More Cpu/pg 25% more
10% faster
10% more stamina
10% faster reload and aim
20% lower profile
More modules spread out amonst all the slots

Moderation is good