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Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:39:00 -
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How is this possible if we have body shields and armor? I would think that shielding should be pretty solid all over, and after shields get depleted then you might be more vulnerable to your head.
I've killed quite a few with this (which works out in my favor) but tbh I kinda wish it didn't kill people so quickly even with basic Militia weapons. What good is high shields and armor then? |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:43:00 -
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Abner Kalen wrote:How is this possible if we have body shields and armor? I would think that shielding should be pretty solid all over, and after shields get depleted then you might be more vulnerable to your head.
I've killed quite a few with this (which works out in my favor) but tbh I kinda wish it didn't kill people so quickly even with basic Militia weapons. What good is high shields and armor then? Aww, someone used skill to kill you.
QUICK, CCP, FIX IT SO IT DOESN'T TAKE SKILL.
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:46:00 -
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Headshots doing extra damage doesn't mean that having higher hitpoints is no longer worthwhile.
As for how you assume technology that doesn't actually exist works... |
Sandromin Hes
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:58:00 -
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In scientific terms, its probably harder to shield the head because its smaller, thus having less space to disperse the inertia of a bullet over the electromagnetic shielding. However, higher shield amount (which represents more energy used as electromagnetic shielding) would have more energy, thus being able to displace more inertia efficiently. However, energy weapons (rather than projectile weapons, which have mass to disperse over the shields) tend to disrupt shielding more efficiently, and thus have a bonus against it.
In layman's terms, although you get more damage on the head, obviously more shielding allows for more shots tanked.
Now, for armor. It takes less energy to lug around armor. It's just pure metal after all. Its made to disperse inertia, but without the efficiency of shields. Thus, projectile weapons are more efficient, because they have penetration power (mass and acceleration) and can punch through armor. Energy weapons, such as lasers, take more time to cut through armor.
Finally, there are railguns and blasters, which are hybridized against both HP types. Railguns and blasters shoot projectiles using electromagnetic propulsion, thus making them able to cut through both armor and shields.
Hope this helps your question and mind? I think I over-elaborated. |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:06:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Abner Kalen wrote:How is this possible if we have body shields and armor? I would think that shielding should be pretty solid all over, and after shields get depleted then you might be more vulnerable to your head.
I've killed quite a few with this (which works out in my favor) but tbh I kinda wish it didn't kill people so quickly even with basic Militia weapons. What good is high shields and armor then? Aww, someone used skill to kill you. QUICK, CCP, FIX IT SO IT DOESN'T TAKE SKILL.
It doesn't take skill to get headshot kills, just random luck and aiming for the head. But this also doesn't make any sense in a futuristic game with full head-to-toe shielding. I am a bit curious what CCP's thoughts are on this. |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:11:00 -
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Sandromin Hes wrote:In scientific terms, its probably harder to shield the head because its smaller, thus having less space to disperse the inertia of a bullet over the electromagnetic shielding. However, higher shield amount (which represents more energy used as electromagnetic shielding) would have more energy, thus being able to displace more inertia efficiently. However, energy weapons (rather than projectile weapons, which have mass to disperse over the shields) tend to disrupt shielding more efficiently, and thus have a bonus against it.
In layman's terms, although you get more damage on the head, obviously more shielding allows for more shots tanked.
Now, for armor. It takes less energy to lug around armor. It's just pure metal after all. Its made to disperse inertia, but without the efficiency of shields. Thus, projectile weapons are more efficient, because they have penetration power (mass and acceleration) and can punch through armor. Energy weapons, such as lasers, take more time to cut through armor.
Finally, there are railguns and blasters, which are hybridized against both HP types. Railguns and blasters shoot projectiles using electromagnetic propulsion, thus making them able to cut through both armor and shields.
Hope this helps your question and mind? I think I over-elaborated.
Yeah, it can all be explained away with imaginary tech, but this aspect is probably the closest I see to COD, which in COD it works, but for some reason in Dust it just seems a bit odd to me. I would've thought that Dust should play a bit more like Halo (not the run 'n gun part but the shielding and non-headshot capable AR/SMG/Pistols. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:13:00 -
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CCP added vital points to vehicles where armor & shielding provides less protection, I'd imagine that the shields are weaker at your head as well. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:14:00 -
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Abner Kalen wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Abner Kalen wrote:How is this possible if we have body shields and armor? I would think that shielding should be pretty solid all over, and after shields get depleted then you might be more vulnerable to your head.
I've killed quite a few with this (which works out in my favor) but tbh I kinda wish it didn't kill people so quickly even with basic Militia weapons. What good is high shields and armor then? Aww, someone used skill to kill you. QUICK, CCP, FIX IT SO IT DOESN'T TAKE SKILL. It doesn't take skill to get headshot kills, just random luck and aiming for the head. But this also doesn't make any sense in a futuristic game with full head-to-toe shielding. I am a bit curious what CCP's thoughts are on this.
lolwut? in low health games it doesnt take skill cuz spray and u get a luck hit but in high health games u need to keep ur aim on someones head to consistently do more dmg which means it takes more skill unless ur just standing still like a bullet sponge |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:18:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Abner Kalen wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Abner Kalen wrote:How is this possible if we have body shields and armor? I would think that shielding should be pretty solid all over, and after shields get depleted then you might be more vulnerable to your head.
I've killed quite a few with this (which works out in my favor) but tbh I kinda wish it didn't kill people so quickly even with basic Militia weapons. What good is high shields and armor then? Aww, someone used skill to kill you. QUICK, CCP, FIX IT SO IT DOESN'T TAKE SKILL. It doesn't take skill to get headshot kills, just random luck and aiming for the head. But this also doesn't make any sense in a futuristic game with full head-to-toe shielding. I am a bit curious what CCP's thoughts are on this. lolwut? in low health games it doesnt take skill cuz spray and u get a luck hit but in high health games u need to keep ur aim on someones head to consistently do more dmg which means it takes more skill unless ur just standing still like a bullet sponge
I'm not following you. It doesn't take skill to get a headshot. Just aim and fire, it randomly produces headhots. Haven't you hit someone at full health/shields from across the map using your AR and they instantly die? This is not skill. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:27:00 -
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Abner Kalen wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Abner Kalen wrote:How is this possible if we have body shields and armor? I would think that shielding should be pretty solid all over, and after shields get depleted then you might be more vulnerable to your head.
I've killed quite a few with this (which works out in my favor) but tbh I kinda wish it didn't kill people so quickly even with basic Militia weapons. What good is high shields and armor then? Aww, someone used skill to kill you. QUICK, CCP, FIX IT SO IT DOESN'T TAKE SKILL. It doesn't take skill to get headshot kills, just random luck and aiming for the head. But this also doesn't make any sense in a futuristic game with full head-to-toe shielding. I am a bit curious what CCP's thoughts are on this. it takes more skill to aim for ones head, then the chest.
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G Dubya Bush
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:38:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Abner Kalen wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Abner Kalen wrote:How is this possible if we have body shields and armor? I would think that shielding should be pretty solid all over, and after shields get depleted then you might be more vulnerable to your head.
I've killed quite a few with this (which works out in my favor) but tbh I kinda wish it didn't kill people so quickly even with basic Militia weapons. What good is high shields and armor then? Aww, someone used skill to kill you. QUICK, CCP, FIX IT SO IT DOESN'T TAKE SKILL. It doesn't take skill to get headshot kills, just random luck and aiming for the head. But this also doesn't make any sense in a futuristic game with full head-to-toe shielding. I am a bit curious what CCP's thoughts are on this. it takes more skill to aim for ones head, then the chest.
No more than aiming for the chest, then the head. Or the ass...
But as to the original posters comments, the shield should negate the headshot effect. If I were designing a weightless barrier of force to protect a soldier, I would ensure the head was well protected. Oh, and the *********. |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:54:00 -
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G Dubya Bush wrote:
No more than aiming for the chest, then the head. Or the ass...
But as to the original posters comments, the shield should negate the headshot effect. If I were designing a weightless barrier of force to protect a soldier, I would ensure the head was well protected. Oh, and the *********.
I think this sums up the point I'm trying to make very well. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.10.08 04:01:00 -
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yea, lets just turn this game hit full re*tard mode. |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.08 04:17:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:yea, lets just turn this game hit full re*tard mode.
How does that make any sense?? |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.10.08 04:27:00 -
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Abner Kalen wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:yea, lets just turn this game hit full re*tard mode. How does that make any sense?? make the dusts roam the chicken farms and reveal the tanks
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.08 04:29:00 -
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Headshots don't take any skills really
(I've headshoted many in mid air with the scrambler) |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.10.08 04:42:00 -
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Yeah, it really isn't hard to get a headshot in this game. I think it would be great to have a hybrid system, with shields being normal damage, and then when you carve the shields down the headshots come into play. |
Deskalkulos Ildigan
CrimeWave Syndicate
115
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:35:00 -
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Headshots tend to be quite lethal in more than ~9/10 cases. I think that justifies increased damage with semirealistical behaviour. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.10.08 06:30:00 -
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Weak spot may not always be the head.
The heavy has a fusion reactor on it's back, this needs cooling so can be armoured as completely as head. The scouts seem to have much of the body only protected by soft armor, but head has a substantial helmet, so it looks to be very vulnerable to body shots. The assault and logi have little lower torso protection, and the assault's rib-cage seems like a weak point if shoot from sides.
So, we could have various weak spots around suits. If they do this we should have a option in 3d viewer to highlight them, other wise we will have trouble guessing where they are. |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.10.08 06:36:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:Weak spot may not always be the head.
The heavy has a fusion reactor on it's back, this needs cooling so can be armoured as completely as head. The scouts seem to have much of the body only protected by soft armor, but head has a substantial helmet, so it looks to be very vulnerable to body shots. The assault and logi have little lower torso protection, and the assault's rib-cage seems like a weak point if shoot from sides.
So, we could have various weak spots around suits. If they do this we should have a option in 3d viewer to highlight them, other wise we will have trouble guessing where they are.
I like where this is going. I don't mind weak spots, but the shields should not have the same weak spots as the armor. |
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