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Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.06 07:20:00 - [1] - Quote Hey, Just wondering about the above. How does one target with it etc etc? Regards
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.13 22:53:00 - [2] - Quote Anyone? Is it a case of pointing it at the screen and having the targeting cursor move around with it? Is it easy to use?
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.13 23:05:00 - [3] - Quote ps3 came bundled with it. i wouldnt go out to buy one, very gimmicky. yeah basically a camera below your screen tracks the handheld controlers movement and moves the cursor on the screen, even when you hold it perfectly still the cursor shakes so bad it's impossible to keep the crosshair on target.
Obama DAT Doomheim 389	Posted - 2012.10.14 00:45:00 - [4] - Quote I feel sorry for anyone who spent money on the PS move.
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 14:26:00 - [5] - Quote Is there really that few people that use it? Would the 'guns' work on the PS3? I'm tring to understand the dynamics of moving things fast infront of the tv and how it would translate into movement within the game. ie I beleive mouse speed is restricted. Is the same 'slow down' principal applied to the Move and guns peripherals? Regards
Dzark Kill Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2012.10.18 14:31:00 - [6] - Quote Jax GG wrote: Is there really that few people that use it? Would the 'guns' work on the PS3? I'm tring to understand the dynamics of moving things fast infront of the tv and how it would translate into movement within the game. ie I beleive mouse speed is restricted. Is the same 'slow down' principal applied to the Move and guns peripherals? Regards AFAIK the restriction is a cap on turn speed, so whether you use DS2, M/KB or Move you will only be able to turn as fast as Dust allows.
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 14:43:00 - [7] - Quote Just out of curiosity, would one of these gadgets help someone like me? I have no problem with the turning speed, its the targeting I am really poor at. I have really surprised myself by enjoying this game immensely, BUT I am just so bad at it. If I could find something that helped my targeting, then I'm sure I'd be playing all the time. I am a PC man myself (EvE) and this is the first FPS I have played since my little brother spanked me at some Doom game some 15 years or so ago. Add to the fact that I don't play consoles much, means that my ability to play this game, on a console, with a console pad......... well, it doesn't translate from a PC very well to say the least. Would the guns even work? and if so, how would they work? Do they work like they did on the old PS's where you simply pointed it at the screen and it detected what you were pointing at or does the 'move' thing detect where it is? I'm not trying to get an advantage over anyone, I just want to be able to hit things
Matobar Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2012.10.18 15:25:00 - [8] - Quote I feel your pain man, I'm an FPS man on the PS3 myself and I still find the aim system difficult for DUST.
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 15:44:00 - [9] - Quote Matobar wrote: I feel your pain man, I'm an FPS man on the PS3 myself and I still find the aim system difficult for DUST. Makes me feel slightly better that it isn't just me. One thing that worries me, and I mean this as absolutely no disrespect to those that took the time to reply, but when you ask a question like this in EvE, getting very few replies and them being negative normally means that something works but no one wants to tell you so. As I said above, no disrespect intended to Obama and Cpl Quartz, it's only that EvE has taught me to trust nothing....... Regards
Grims Tooth Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:00:00 - [10] - Quote Jax GG wrote: Is there really that few people that use it? Would the 'guns' work on the PS3? I'm tring to understand the dynamics of moving things fast infront of the tv and how it would translate into movement within the game. ie I beleive mouse speed is restricted. Is the same 'slow down' principal applied to the Move and guns peripherals? Regards Are you asking about the Sharpshooter attachment? I have used the move some, but I don't have the sharpshooter gun attachment, myself. Is there anyone out there who has it and if so, does it make using the move easier? I know the move feels gimmicky, but to me, its fun experience even though I'm better with the DS3. I just want to know if I can improve my experience with the move.

Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:21:00 - [11] - Quote Grims Tooth wrote: Jax GG wrote: Is there really that few people that use it? Would the 'guns' work on the PS3? I'm tring to understand the dynamics of moving things fast infront of the tv and how it would translate into movement within the game. ie I beleive mouse speed is restricted. Is the same 'slow down' principal applied to the Move and guns peripherals? Regards Are you asking about the Sharpshooter attachment? I have used the move some, but I don't have the sharpshooter gun attachment, myself. Is there anyone out there who has it and if so, does it make using the move easier? I know the move feels gimmicky, but to me, its fun experience even though I'm better with the DS3. I just want to know if I can improve my experience with the move. Well... to be honest I am interested in either answer. I only saw the guns today, so my original question was how the 'move' performed. In your case, how did it work for you? Is the DS3 the pad? Regards
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:34:00 - [12] - Quote Jax GG wrote: Hey, Just wondering about the above. How does one target with it etc etc? Regards Hi, well I use the move with the sharpshooter peripheral as often as I can, suits me very well, I am not very good with DS3 and the sharpshooter improves my game no end, love it. Now there's no denying that there are still a few things wrong with the way it has been implemented in Dust but it is certainly serviceable in this build. Other games such as KZ3 and resistance 3 got it nailed and if we can approach that sort of implementation with customizeable button mapping then I for one will be very happy indeed. On a completely different level, even if it didn't improve my game lots, I would still use it because I like the added feeling of immersion it gives me, but that is a personal thing although I know there are others that feel the same
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:34:00 - [13] - Quote If you're pc why don't you use KB&M? I used the sharpshooter the last year of MAG and use it now for cs:go. Tried it for dust and isn't implemented that well. I've always found it fun.
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.18 17:00:00 - [14] - Quote as far as aiming goes, it sort of acts like your right joystick and you use the nonchaka like secondary move controller to strafe and move forward and back (it has a joystick which equates to the DS3 left stick. So wherever you point on the screen with move that is where you aim and the further towards the edge of the screen your crosshair is, the faster you will turn. This is where one of the issues with this implementation rears it's ugly head and that is deadzones, this is essentially an adjustable zone within which you can move your crosshair without the screen moving, some people like it big but it makes your turn speed difficult to control and makes you have to make large movements with the move to turn. Most move users like to have the deadzone small or zero as it makes movement and aiming much more intuitive and quicker, unfortunately, Dust does not currently allow deadzones to be set at zero which is a pain but we live in hope! Hope this has helped with your enquiry, the move controller is very subjective, it either suits you or not. There does not seem to be any middle ground! lol Even if you like it, it takes many hours of dying a lot and experimentation to get used to it and set out the sort of sensitvity that suits you and many do not have that sort of patience which is a shame I think.
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 17:58:00 - [15] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: If you're pc why don't you use KB&M? I used the sharpshooter the last year of MAG and use it now for cs:go. Tried it for dust and isn't implemented that well. I've always found it fun. I tried Planetside way back when it was beta (not no.2) and struggled with the mouse there. I've always been extremely good ay any games that involve using a gun...... no whether that is because they are just plain easy to use or because I was naturally good at it, I have no idea. Booker; a few more questions if you have the time to answer..... 1. Is general movement still easy to control? 2. which do you own and what do you recomend: Gun or Rifle type thing Gun or Rifle 3. What would I actualy need to purchase to make this work? (I own nothing 'move' related). 4. Have you tested it with different play styles? like the chaps suggested at the begining, will it work with sniping due to having to much sway 5. Have you witnessed the sway as suggested above? Regards ps. In relation to taking time to use it.... I'm a patient man, I must be to still be playing at my level of ineptness....
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.18 18:14:00 - [16] - Quote 1. Yes general movement is a doddle BUT it is very different so you have to get used to it. The trick is to avoid large quick movement with the move controller otherwise you just end up overshooting then over correcting ad infinitum. Sensitivity is adjustable to your preference as far as turn speed goes. 2. You need a Sharpshooter. Full stop. Best gun peripheral on the market. Button mapping for it is not ideal right now but these issues have been brought up in the forums so hopefully Devs are aware. Customizeable button mapping would be supported by just about all Dust players I think so fingers crossed on that one! 3. You usually can buy the basics in a bundle which would include a PS3 Eye camera and move controller. You will also need a the small supplementary "nunchaka" controller and then top it off with a Sharpshooter. Just had a quick look and I reckon you could put that together for less than -ú90 in UK, not sure where you're from
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.18 18:22:00 - [17] - Quote you added more Q's! lol 4. well it only sways as much as you do! it will move as you do, even very small movements are detected. If you were sniping a lot then maybe play with crosshair sensitivity so the shake is deadened. Personally (because I am a saddo!) I have my sharpshooter attached to a camera tripod, cant tell how much more comfortable this makes things, and of course keeps you very steady if sniping.....sway? What sway? lol 5. I refer you to my previous answer m'lud Patience is a good thing here, and it helps if you suck with the DS3 because you have a good incentive to continue so that you dont have to suck anymore! Oh and by the way, using a vehicle turret with move is soooo much better as the gun aim mimics your movements exactly and not the slow motorised movement you get with DS3
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 18:35:00 - [18] - Quote Booker DaFooker wrote: you added more Q's! lol When I find someone that can, and is happy to, answer my questions I tend to squeeze in as many as I can. Luckily, I have just had permission to the Mrs to spend my (own) birthday money on this, as she is likely to use it for some dance stuff....... Can you tell who wears the trousers......... Found all three components for -ú60....... placing an order shortly. thanks for the replies!
G Torq ALTA B2O 88	Posted - 2012.10.18 18:57:00 - [19] - Quote Jax GG wrote: Booker DaFooker wrote: you added more Q's! lol When I find someone that can, and is happy to, answer my questions I tend to squeeze in as many as I can. Luckily, I have just had permission to the Mrs to spend my (own) birthday money on this, as she is likely to use it for some dance stuff....... Can you tell who wears the trousers......... Found all three components for -ú60....... placing an order shortly. thanks for the replies! From your post in the other forum: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=364867#post364867 Can mention that the wife here tried the Zumba for Move - not too impressed, since it seemingly just measures activity (i.e. not that movement is correct, just that it is "in sync"). Kids love it for Eye Pet - that alone made it worth the investment! I've mostly used it for Sports Champions, which is great fun (the frisbee and tabletennis are kinda mind-blowingly good at tracking) For FPS I've read that Resistance 3 makes really good use of it, though I've not really given it the old college try. In Killzone 3 it took some getting used to, but I wasn't really fond of the game from the get-go. Absolute minimum is a PS Eye and a Move Controller, with a regular PS3 controller in the left hand for movement. This is going to be difficult and uncomfortable. Get the Nav Controller too, and strongly consider getting the Sharp Shooter - go for package deals!
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 19:06:00 - [20] - Quote Another great response.... I think I am on the same Amazon page as you linked..... all in for -ú60 or so. Will check out Eyepet too.... Im sure the little one would love it (only 2 though).

Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.18 19:33:00 - [21] - Quote ah G torq! love the ol' frisbee golf, such a great party game! Sports Champions 2 on it's way soon i think
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.18 19:44:00 - [22] - Quote Jax GG wrote: Booker DaFooker wrote: you added more Q's! lol When I find someone that can, and is happy to, answer my questions I tend to squeeze in as many as I can. Luckily, I have just had permission to the Mrs to spend my (own) birthday money on this, as she is likely to use it for some dance stuff....... Can you tell who wears the trousers......... Found all three components for -ú60....... placing an order shortly. thanks for the replies! Hehe, been there, gotta keep the Mrs sweet right? Luckily mine works nights so I dont have to look like an eejit with my little red gun in front of her too often!! lol Feel free to add me in game when you get your kit and we can squad up and get you familiarized
Athelar Loraiel Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.10.18 20:23:00 - [23] - Quote So, whataabout KB&M? Is it working well? Im a pc player, controller kills me!
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.18 20:26:00 - [24] - Quote Athelar Loraiel wrote: So, whataabout KB&M? Is it working well? Im a pc player, controller kills me! try it and post back
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 20:40:00 - [25] - Quote Booker DaFooker wrote: Jax GG wrote: Booker DaFooker wrote: you added more Q's! lol When I find someone that can, and is happy to, answer my questions I tend to squeeze in as many as I can. Luckily, I have just had permission to the Mrs to spend my (own) birthday money on this, as she is likely to use it for some dance stuff....... Can you tell who wears the trousers......... Found all three components for -ú60....... placing an order shortly. thanks for the replies! Hehe, been there, gotta keep the Mrs sweet right? Luckily mine works nights so I dont have to look like an eejit with my little red gun in front of her too often!! lol Feel free to add me in game when you get your kit and we can squad up and get you familiarized Cheers.. will do. Might have to wait a week for the kit hough.... i order a few things and it seems everytihng is coming from different sources....
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.18 22:19:00 - [26] - Quote no worries, I'm in for the long haul, ain't going nowhere!
Dante Dam Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.18 22:32:00 - [27] - Quote If you are considering the MOVE with current game build I would NOT recomend being a sniper. Although the guy with a gun build and a trypod may be on to something. The PS move is Hyper sensative, and while the game could and SHOULD take away the micro movements, your cross hairs will shake with the current softwre build. It has seemed to me from playing this game that all PS3 players are at a handy cap to PC players, a mouse aiming while fingers turning is far faster then your cross hairs stuck center screen. The Move frees them, and for assult rifles and with practice it can be fun hunting down a few ppl, but your arms will tire...
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 784	Posted - 2012.10.18 22:38:00 - [28] - Quote Killzone 3's implementation is very similar to what we have in dust currently. As someone said above, using the move places a crosshair on your screen. This changes gameplay a bit because instead of the crosshair always being at the center and moving your camerage with every aim adjustment, the move allows you to specify a certain range you can move your crosshair before your screen starts to turn. This makes the move VERY nice for using weapons where you want to keep your eye on a certain area. Guarding narrow paths, etc. I've also found the dropship flight controls using the PS move to be very nice. There were some issues last build related to general aiming down sights and HAV driving, but I have yet to try the move this build but those issues are apparently fixed/better now. Like someone said above, using small turrets in vehicles is absolutely -awesome- with the move. Overall, it's pretty awesome. It takes a lot of getting used to, when changing from other input methods because it's less ideal when it comes to turning, so you need to alter your playstyle a bit. Move isn't really suited to super up close combat, but is pretty excellent at mid to long range! (And I still hate that they made the melee a swipe, because swipe gestures can kitten up your calibration after a while)
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.18 22:39:00 - [29] - Quote Dante Dam wrote: but your arms will tire... That means I can cancel my gym membership.......... get big guns by using big guns
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.10.19 00:58:00 - [30] - Quote Using the Move + Sharpshooter has been one of the best things I've done for gaming on ps3. Don't know how many ears I've been using the same input device, switching to the SS has made gaming a lot more fresh mostly because of the challenge and like someone said about being a bit masochistic! People bag on the move but I find it so much fun when games implament it right, will be using it for Dust once it all clears up. Test it every build and it steadily improves.

G Torq ALTA B2O 88	Posted - 2012.10.19 07:08:00 - [31] - Quote Booker DaFooker wrote: ah G torq! love the ol' frisbee golf, such a great party game! Sports Champions 2 on it's way soon i think It is - I tried the Tennis game in it at GamesCon (before trying Dust there), and it was pretty underwhelming . Rest of the games also looked rather boring/silly compared to #1. (Tabel-tennis and Frisbee are very life-like in the controls - Tennis was just "wave-stick-at-right-time", though randomly hitting kids at GamesCon was fun) Jax GG wrote: Will check out Eyepet too.... Im sure the little one would love it (only 2 though). My older girl got it for her 3rd birthday - now she plays the Eyepet&Friends (v2) with her little-sister, who is currently 3. If your kid understands english (My older one is just starting to), it will be fairly engaging, with some dude showing up and explaining things - but expect that you need to play it WITH her ... and you'll need space in front of the telly (floor/table) with the camera down low (not on top of the tv) and decent lighting, preferably from the front. Small general note on the move: You can use an extension-cord (regular USB type) with the PS Eye, but be sure it is properly powered, or it'll fail randomly. I've gotten mine set up with a (non-spec) 12m extension, since the PS3 isn't located in the living-room, and had to run it through a 3rd party charger/hub-dock thing to ensure it was properly powered and signal got regenerated.
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.10.19 07:33:00 - [32] - Quote I love using the Move/Sharpshooter combination, and the sharpshooter+Dust is the only reason i purchased a PS3 in the first place, and i don't regret it. BUT, if all you care about is racking up kills, my feeling is that the controller is much better and accurate to use atm in Dust. I use the sharpshooter because for me it's more FUN than using a controller [or KBM], no other reason. The current build leaves a lot of room for improvement for Sharpshooter+Dust. Esp. in the area of button mapping [but that will change when user mappable buttons come in]. IMO the problems with using a Sharpshooter are not the peripheral, but on CCP's coding for it. For example, the implementation of the sharpshooter with killzone3 seems to be perfect, but the Dust implementation is less refined. If you go out and get a sharpshooter, i have a setting for you to try out right away: - There is a way [at least for me] to tune your settings so that you do not overshoot your target when you turn, then have to go back and aim. 1) Go into your controller settings, change the deadzone box to be the smallest size possible in both directions. 2) change the sensitivity to %80 - By doing that, whenever i pick up a target on the side of my screen, i can naturally follow it in to the center of my aim without overshooting. At least it works for me, your results may vary:) Whichever controller you choose, just have fun!
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.19 08:49:00 - [33] - Quote This sounds like it could be a whole lot of fun! Thanks for the tips chaps. My TV is about 2m from the PS3, so hopefully that shouldn't be an issue, though I have a decent Maplin store around the corner, incase I need more stuff. Regards Jax
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.19 11:29:00 - [34] - Quote Jax GG wrote: This sounds like it could be a whole lot of fun! Thanks for the tips chaps. My TV is about 2m from the PS3, so hopefully that shouldn't be an issue, though I have a decent Maplin store around the corner, incase I need more stuff. Regards Jax I reckon you'll need a usb extension, the lead with the eye is not over long, dont forget the eye should be at the level that you intend to play with the gun
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.10.19 11:31:00 - [35] - Quote angelarch wrote: The current build leaves a lot of room for improvement for Sharpshooter+Dust. Esp. in the area of button mapping [but that will change when user mappable buttons come in]. IMO the problems with using a Sharpshooter are not the peripheral, but on CCP's coding for it. For example, the implementation of the sharpshooter with killzone3 seems to be perfect, but the Dust implementation is less refined. Have you heard something that i havent on button mapping? would love a link or source if you have it, good news about this would seriously make my day!!
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.10.23 22:33:00 - [36] - Quote holy crap............. the gun is NOT easy. Gonna put some time in to practice, or at least try and put some time in. But it is so hard, I can't see myself moving away from the mouse and keyboard. Only issue with those is the vertical scrolling is way off. For those that suggested it, my little boy just loves the EyePet........... can't get him off of it. Regards Jax
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.10.23 22:46:00 - [37] - Quote Jax GG wrote: Hey, Just wondering about the above. How does one target with it etc etc? Regards Move implementation is a big disappointment right now...... I used move on MAG with much better success than using DS3 but not so on Dust. CCP have not implemented it well. Hopefully its better when launched.
Failonius Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.11.05 17:49:00 - [38] - Quote Whenever you start shooting you hit everything but your intended target. It is VERY JUMPY. If that is not fixed PS move will sit collecting dust, pun intended.
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2012.11.05 18:19:00 - [39] - Quote Jax GG wrote: holy crap............. the gun is NOT easy. Gonna put some time in to practice, or at least try and put some time in. But it is so hard, I can't see myself moving away from the mouse and keyboard. Only issue with those is the vertical scrolling is way off. For those that suggested it, my little boy just loves the EyePet........... can't get him off of it. Regards Jax Absolutely standard Jax, it will take you hours and hours to get used to it, and you are practising with an imperfectly implemented system. If you want to see how it's really done and what it can do for your gameplay, get KZ3 and practice with that
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.11.05 18:30:00 - [40] - Quote As a sharpshooter user You want to make sure the camera is level and true..... you are going to need a bubble level to make sure it is sitting right where you have it. This includes the horizontal and vertical for the camera. Go grab yourself some blue- non stick painters tape and use it to protect the surface you are working on. Then you want to lock the eye camera to one specific spot, the usb cable tends to nudge the camera if you have it just sitting somewhere, since for me it was always behind the ps3 running the usb wire kept knocking the camera out of alignment. Okay from the XMB you want to turn off the magnetic sensor for the move from inside the ps3, it should become less jumpy. Button Mapping is probably not going to happen unless unlike INSOMNIAC games who had it for the BETA and then found out, or that CCP is able to get SONY to alter the Terms of Use for the device which says button mapping is a no-go in order to use the move device and the sharpshooter in their game. Watch the OLD iWaggle video about Resistance 3 and how the feature was removed. Next thing you want to do is make sure that the sharpshooter is held level. You are going to want to put some bubble levels on it, X and Y axis on the plastic gun. Then you are going to want to take some yellow self stick sticky pads with bulls eyes and mark off your screen. Center, for left right top bottom, I use a laser pointer (very low powered to not damage the TV) and mount it on the sharpshooter and then use it to make sure you CALIBRATE it the same way all the time. You can then use more sticky pad pieces of paper to mark off where the bounding boxes are on the screen. Standing or sitting? The only major issue with dust and the move I have experienced with regret and annoyance is the fact that you can only access the Squad Leader menu by hitting the down button, there is no way to hot set the SL orders....like DS3 users can by holding the R2 and tapping the R3. Only other thing I can think of is until you are used to using the sharpshooter that you put a tactile dot onto the square or triangle button until you grow accustomed to hitting them correctly. The fire selector doesn't seem to work, I don't really hit the reload button on the bottom and the pump action just pulls the trigger on the move.



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