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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.05 18:13:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:Mine was a 60gb launch model and the Blu ray had gone a while back, but it's well known that Sony used cheap Blu Ray diodes in the early models and they last about 2 years max then burn out.
Both the 20gb and 60gb launch models used lead free solder that melts at a low level, I think the same goes for the 40 and 80gb versions. The only ones without it are the slim models.
If your using a fat PS3 be very wary of heat build up as the main reason for a YLOD is heat de-soldering you GPU/CPU or cracking the thermal paste for them as that's crap too in the fat models. They're all a ticking time bombs due to Sony cutting corners to make the PS3 cost effective.
It could of been my PS3's time to go, but the fact I've seen at least 3 people mention this now rings alarm bells to me.
I strongly advise taking huge precautions this build tbh, there's something horribly wrong with it imo.
I'm still using my old 60GB launch model, though it is the EU model. There are differences.
The earliest PS3's had poorer diodes in them, for the simple reason that there were no good ones at the time. The PS3 got the best they could get for the money.
But I am well aware that after 5+ years of fairly heavy use, especially of the BD drive, my poor old PS3 is probably nearing it's pension age. It certaily is starting to sound like a 747 at takeoff at times, then again, it always did. making me wonder how bad the XBOX 360's were to have the PS3 fats be called quiet in comparison.
As for Dust breaking PS3's, there have been reports of HDD corruptions as well if I recall. |
Flagratus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:00:00 -
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I have a 40gb Fat that had a YLOD last year. I took it to a friend who knew how to solder and had him resolder the gpu/cpu with lead solder and it's worked for a year now. But it'll happen again, and for me, I'm just waiting for it to burn out for good. |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:07:00 -
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The heat gun repair for the ylod is actually really easy, I have done it on about eight ps3 now BUT it is only a temporary the best I got out of one was about three months some only last a couple of weeks. You can only reheat solder but so much because it loses its strength ever time. Reflowing the circuit board is a permanent but more expensive. I recommend doing the heat gun repair and trading it in at game stop for a slim. |
cranium79
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:12:00 -
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jagg, what kind of system do you have? it seems that everyone who posted a YLOD had an old fat model.
i have a slim 120 gig model, and i haven't really had any over heat issues. yes it gets warm. i keep it well ventilated while playing. i haven't cleaned it, but i do check for dust in the vents and haven't seen too much. i keep mine in an entertainment center with a door on it, so ambient dust doesn't collect there too much. even my old ps2 didn't dust up that much while in there like it did when i had it in dorm rooms and out in the open, but i probably should take it out and really check it. it's been almost 3 years and i haven't really looked too closely.
i've had other games cause hardlock on me. MAG being the most frequent, mainly because i played that the most before i got Dust. even then, i've only hard locked about 10 times in on MAG (most of that was a certain map with a bug in it), maybe 3 times on other games, and 3 times in Dust. that's over a 3 year period. i might be lucky... knock on wood.
then again, i'm only a weekend warrior anymore. i only play on weekend nights for about 4-5 hour stretches, so that might be it. i might get in a game or 2 during the week, but that rare, and it's only for 1-2 hours at most.
my biggest "oh s**t" moment was a hard lock that happened when i used the internet browser and it said i had corrupt files and had to scan. nothing came of it, but that was the worst i've had.
movies (netflix, hulu, the blue ray player, even the internet browser) don't cause the amount heat games do. sure it warms up, it's going to, but i don't think these things work the PS3 as hard as a game does. i could be wrong on that, but it seems that way.
suggestions to keep your PS3 cool.... 1) keep it well ventilated and check for dust regularly. 2) don't play games for over 4-5 hours without taking a break. 12 hour stretches, while fun, don't help heat build up. take an hour break to let it cool down (eat something, take a leak, watch some tv, sleep... etc...). 3) if you have 1 hard lock... quit for a while. restart your system after the lock to make sure it's ok first, then quit for at least an hour to let it cool down.
i personally quit for the night after the 3 locks i've had. i had my first, restarted, had the 2nd within 20 minutes and said "F it." quit for the night. a couple of weeks later, had 1, and quit for the night. it's not worth it. it's only a game. i haven't had one since, but i know it's only a matter of time.
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Lonewolf514
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:12:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:The heat gun repair for the ylod is actually really easy, I have done it on about eight ps3 now BUT it is only a temporary the best I got out of one was about three months some only last a couple of weeks. You can only reheat solder but so much because it loses its strength ever time. Reflowing the circuit board is a permanent but more expensive. I recommend doing the heat gun repair and trading it in at game stop for a slim.
you do know life has a way of screwing you over for all the bad you do right?
good and bad is only a pov. |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:19:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies...
I'm certainly feeling less devastated than I was previously.
One thing that is confusing me is some of the terminology that people are using.
The two You Tube videos I've seen show them stripping the system right out.... all parts taken away. Clearing the old compound, heating the motherboard a little then heating the CPU/GPU much more, letting it cool and then re-applying new compound paste.
Is this process the longer term fix and is it what is referred to as re-flowing?
Regards
Jax
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Cranium, I have a fat PS3, no idea on HD size or anthing and have had it a fair few years and I do not ever recall clearing out vents or anything.
other than movies, I very rarely use it.
However, There is rarely a time when playing DUST that the fan is no on overdrive. I wasn't aware that this was not normal behavious as I don't really play games on it. I just figured that DUST was a demanding game and put strain on the system............little did I know. |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:26:00 -
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Lonewolf514 wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:The heat gun repair for the ylod is actually really easy, I have done it on about eight ps3 now BUT it is only a temporary the best I got out of one was about three months some only last a couple of weeks. You can only reheat solder but so much because it loses its strength ever time. Reflowing the circuit board is a permanent but more expensive. I recommend doing the heat gun repair and trading it in at game stop for a slim. you do know life has a way of screwing you over for all the bad you do right?
Lol Yes I do. So I make sure I do a lot of good on the side to counter act the bad on a side note I have never done this and I would never. All the PS3's I repaired where not mine. |
cranium79
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
38
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:26:00 -
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yeah, as i was saying, i don't think any "one" game causes more heat than any other game. i just think the PS3 is worked harder while running games over it's other capabilities such as playing moves, streaming movies, etc...
again, i could be wrong, but it's what i've noticed over the years. |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:38:00 -
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Jax GG wrote:
The two You Tube videos I've seen show them stripping the system right out.... all parts taken away. Clearing the old compound, heating the motherboard a little then heating the CPU/GPU much more, letting it cool and then re-applying new compound paste.
^^^^^^^ In my experience with this repair, it works but is only temporary
Reflowing is total different and no offense but should be done by some one with experience but it is a permanent repair.
Heres the wiki for "Reflow soldering is a process in which a solder paste (a sticky mixture of powdered solder and flux) is used to temporarily attach one or several electrical components to their contact pads, after which the entire assembly is subjected to controlled heat, which melts the solder, permanently connecting the joint. Heating may be accomplished by passing the assembly through a reflow oven or under an infrared lamp or by soldering individual joints with a hot air pencil." |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:06:00 -
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Isn't that acheived when they heat the entire motherboard?
Disappointing to know that going to all that trouble will only be a temporary measure. |
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.05 21:02:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:Jax GG wrote:
The two You Tube videos I've seen show them stripping the system right out.... all parts taken away. Clearing the old compound, heating the motherboard a little then heating the CPU/GPU much more, letting it cool and then re-applying new compound paste.
^^^^^^^ In my experience with this repair, it works but is only temporary Reflowing is total different and no offense but should be done by some one with experience but it is a permanent repair. Heres the wiki for "Reflow soldering is a process in which a solder paste (a sticky mixture of powdered solder and flux) is used to temporarily attach one or several electrical components to their contact pads, after which the entire assembly is subjected to controlled heat, which melts the solder, permanently connecting the joint. Heating may be accomplished by passing the assembly through a reflow oven or under an infrared lamp or by soldering individual joints with a hot air pencil."
I think you are talking about re-balling. Reflowing is generally heating the board enough to cause the solder to reflow. Not a good one in the long run as it is hard to get all the solder to melt, and because reheating solder weakens it. Re-balling is removing the CPU/GPU entirely, clean up all the solder on the board and ship, and apply new tin balls that work as the solder and pin at the same time. |
8404-0000 GREEN
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.10.05 22:56:00 -
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I did notice that after I made a few changes in the settings, the system kept saving over and over and over for the better part of a match. Was planning to make a thread on it, and it did cross my mind that it probably wasn't good for the HDD.
Basically in the audio and I believe sensitivity settings, it qued up a save for each tick of adjustment I made in there.
I have an old original Silver/Black big PS3. So far so good though. All I know is my brother has opened it up a few times and it doesn't sound like the jet plane like you have explained, only a few times have I heard it go into super high fan. Its never YLOD though as far as I know but my brother had it opened up at some point doing preventative maintenance I assume.
YLOD is also caused by the power supply or blue ray drive going from what I understand, and if your PS3 boots up not even long enough to run the fan its most likely the power supply that has failed. from what I have read and understand.
My brother is out in the field at the moment so I can't contact him about the step by steps but I'll keep an eye on this thread and post any of the info he has on it....his room was always full of cannibalized consoles going back to Dreamcasts, then eventually XBOX's, then 360's and PS3's....he was the console gamer I the PC gamer. Now he has a kick ass Laptop and I have our old PS3 :)
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FORTUNE96
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.10.05 23:23:00 -
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I got the 300 GB slim PS3 and it sometimes makes loud noises when im playing games is it over heating? |
lobo christy
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.10.06 00:57:00 -
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I put a new 1 tb hard drive and it seems to work better no more crashing |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2012.10.06 01:35:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:Jax GG wrote:
The two You Tube videos I've seen show them stripping the system right out.... all parts taken away. Clearing the old compound, heating the motherboard a little then heating the CPU/GPU much more, letting it cool and then re-applying new compound paste.
^^^^^^^ In my experience with this repair, it works but is only temporary Reflowing is total different and no offense but should be done by some one with experience but it is a permanent repair. Heres the wiki for "Reflow soldering is a process in which a solder paste (a sticky mixture of powdered solder and flux) is used to temporarily attach one or several electrical components to their contact pads, after which the entire assembly is subjected to controlled heat, which melts the solder, permanently connecting the joint. Heating may be accomplished by passing the assembly through a reflow oven or under an infrared lamp or by soldering individual joints with a hot air pencil." I think you are talking about re-balling. Reflowing is generally heating the board enough to cause the solder to reflow. Not a good one in the long run as it is hard to get all the solder to melt, and because reheating solder weakens it. Re-balling is removing the CPU/GPU entirely, clean up all the solder on the board and ship, and apply new tin balls that work as the solder and pin at the same time.
I had never heard of reballing until now, I did a little quick research and that is nuts, to actually remove the chipset from the board and rework everything which is definitely a permanent fix but is insanely hard .
Reflowing (linked wiki) which is still hard but no where nearly that hard is when you leave the chipset on the board but you apply a special solder then heat the board up and the new solder flows through the board resoldering the chipset with new solder which is also a permanent repair.
The youtube video which is the most easy of the three shows you how to heat the board causing the existing solder to reform itself and like you said it weakens the solder and is only a very temporary repair I do not "think" this has a name. |
8404-0000 GREEN
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.10.06 02:37:00 -
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for the cost of a PC gaming graphics card, you can get a new PS3 :) There's even a dust bundle out. |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.10.06 07:08:00 -
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Yeah... true, but I kinda half want to try it now just to know that I can do it.
Also, if I can get it to work for a bit and it doesn't last and I get a new one, I can always re-do it and shove it in the bedroom and stream wireless to it there.
Regards |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.10.13 15:29:00 -
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YAY............. it worked.
Played a quick game last night and the fan was a lot quieter and ran less, so I guess the new thermal paste and a clean out has done it good.
No idea how long it will last though...............
Regards
Jax |
Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.10.13 16:16:00 -
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Dzark Kill wrote:Jax GG wrote:Dzark Kill wrote:See if you can boot up in safe mode some tips here Lets assume it work, what option should i be choosing? If safe mode works its not completely broke. First try option 1 just a simple restart. It's worked for me in the past. If not give option 2 a go . Restore default. Unlikely but it could work without losing any data. Then try 3 repair system files. You can lose data if anything corrupted when you crashed. This will most likely be dust files so fairly safe but may need to install dust again Then 4. But this can lose you all data on the system. Finally 5 restore ps3.this will set the system back to default everything is lost. But helpful if your ps3 works again. None of these will break your ps3. If none of them fix it. The ps3 is dead :-( check my thread on Safe Mode https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=257720#post257720
"everyone who is experiencing ANY issues should try this
my recommended options to perform are 3 & 4, Restore File System and Rebuild Database:
3. Restore File System - Attempts to repair all areas on the hard disk drive where files can be saved. Corrupted data may be erased if it cannot be recovered.
4. Rebuild Database - Deletes messages, playlists, changes made on [Information] screens, trimming information for pictures in [Photo], video thumbnails, video playback history and video resume information. This operation may take a long time depending on the type and number of data items."
options 1, 2 and 5 are useless do not worry about them. also i perform this many many times due to dust always somehow flaking out and this needing to be done. the most important one is #3, it should resolve your issues on its own |
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