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Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:39:00 -
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Hi,
I had a crash during the game last night and didn't think anything of it and turned the machine off. I turned it on again just now and DUST loaded just fine until I tried to enter my skills menu, then it crashed again (turned the PS3 off, same as last night).
Now it will not turn back on. I've turned the switch at the back off for a few minutes or so and back on, but when i got to power up, the green light only stays green before turning orange for a few seconds and then it all turns off again.
Has DUST broken my PS3 and what should I do?
Regards
Jax |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:16:00 -
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See if you can boot up in safe mode some tips here |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:26:00 -
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Same thing happened to me mate and my PS3 is dead.
It's called the YLOD, (Yellow Light of Death) and is the PS3 equivalent of the RROD(Red Ring of Death on 360)
Basically this build is borked beyond belief and as I stated in other threads is seriously damaging PS3's. It's doing something that's making the PS3 get hot and it's crippling the PS3 inside due to heat created.
I'd strongly advise that anyone experiencing FPS drops and stuttering on voice comms to shut the PS3 down and give it a break. I guarentee if you keep it going it'll fry.
CCP obviously wont admit there's an issue here so I'm making it clear to everyone that there's definately serious risk to your hardware this build. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:33:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:Same thing happened to me mate and my PS3 is dead.
It's called the YLOD, (Yellow Light of Death) and is the PS3 equivalent of the RROD(Red Ring of Death on 360)
Basically this build is borked beyond belief and as I stated in other threads is seriously damaging PS3's. It's doing something that's making the PS3 get hot and it's crippling the PS3 inside due to heat created.
I'd strongly advise that anyone experiencing FPS drops and stuttering on voice comms to shut the PS3 down and give it a break. I guarentee if you keep it going it'll fry.
CCP obviously wont admit there's an issue here so I'm making it clear to everyone that there's definately serious risk to your hardware this build.
Damn thats bad news.
Was it definately Dust that caused this? I mean is it not possible it was just your PS3 time to go? Only reason I ask is I have the original 40GB version purchased shortly after release. It sounds like a hoover when heat buils up which happens to me a lot in GT5, however i haven't heard PS3 "take off" once with Dust so if it is overheating my fan controller isnt noticing it which could go bad if what your saying is true. |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:46:00 -
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Mine was a 60gb launch model and the Blu ray had gone a while back, but it's well known that Sony used cheap Blu Ray diodes in the early models and they last about 2 years max then burn out.
Both the 20gb and 60gb launch models used lead free solder that melts at a low level, I think the same goes for the 40 and 80gb versions. The only ones without it are the slim models.
If your using a fat PS3 be very wary of heat build up as the main reason for a YLOD is heat de-soldering you GPU/CPU or cracking the thermal paste for them as that's crap too in the fat models. They're all a ticking time bombs due to Sony cutting corners to make the PS3 cost effective.
It could of been my PS3's time to go, but the fact I've seen at least 3 people mention this now rings alarm bells to me.
I strongly advise taking huge precautions this build tbh, there's something horribly wrong with it imo. |
Lonewolf514
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:53:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:Same thing happened to me mate and my PS3 is dead.
It's called the YLOD, (Yellow Light of Death) and is the PS3 equivalent of the RROD(Red Ring of Death on 360)
Basically this build is borked beyond belief and as I stated in other threads is seriously damaging PS3's. It's doing something that's making the PS3 get hot and it's crippling the PS3 inside due to heat created.
I'd strongly advise that anyone experiencing FPS drops and stuttering on voice comms to shut the PS3 down and give it a break. I guarentee if you keep it going it'll fry.
CCP obviously wont admit there's an issue here so I'm making it clear to everyone that there's definately serious risk to your hardware this build.
haha vivox again. |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:55:00 -
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You mean it's the voice comms doing it?.
Your post is of little help to the issue quite frankly. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:57:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:Mine was a 60gb launch model and the Blu ray had gone a while back, but it's well known that Sony used cheap Blu Ray diodes in the early models and they last about 2 years max then burn out.
Both the 20gb and 60gb launch models used lead free solder that melts at a low level, I think the same goes for the 40 and 80gb versions. The only ones without it are the slim models.
If your using a fat PS3 be very wary of heat build up as the main reason for a YLOD is heat de-soldering you GPU/CPU or cracking the thermal paste for them as that's crap too in the fat models. They're all a ticking time bombs due to Sony cutting corners to make the PS3 cost effective.
It could of been my PS3's time to go, but the fact I've seen at least 3 people mention this now rings alarm bells to me.
I strongly advise taking huge precautions this build tbh, there's something horribly wrong with it imo.
Thanks, think ill be touching my PS3 alot when playing from now on.
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Lonewolf514
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:59:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:You mean it's the voice comms doing it?.
Your post is of little help to the issue quite frankly.
conjecture.
yes but you'll never ever get CCP or Vivox to admit it, it's been known to happen in EvE too.
edit get people to post if they are on coms and who they were on coms with and if they were with any EvE players. |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.05 15:11:00 -
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This is very worrying. My PS3 is used to be run for very long periods of time as we stream movies through it and it's not uncommon for us to sit down and watch two or three movies in a row.
My PS3 has never crashed before and only started doing so with this game.
I've had a look at the safe mode setup and will try it this evening, but I don't think I'll be playing this game again until CCP confirm this is resolved.
I think someone from CCP should say something about this. |
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Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
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Posted - 2012.10.05 15:28:00 -
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Dzark Kill wrote:See if you can boot up in safe mode some tips here
Lets assume it work, what option should i be choosing? |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 15:37:00 -
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Indeed Jax, but I doubt they'll even acknowledge this.
I mean I don't expect compensation as this is beta and that EULA practically means we don't have any come back, (which I'm looking into tbh as I'm not sure it'll be totally covered by UK law, but I'm not holding my breath. These things are usually water tight.)
All I'd like is it made clear, in black and white that there's a serious hardware breaking issue with the game at present and what causes it and what to look out for.
As Jax hax stated my PS3 used to be usd for movies too for hours, but I also gamed with what PSN downloads I could and never had any issues with hours of play. The fan stayed quite after the initial boot up, as it tends to be loud then quieten down. |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.05 15:40:00 -
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Ive had to stop playing this build....
I'm convinced it's affecting the stability of other games (just got Hell Yeah from ps+ and its stuttery at times just like dust)..... although can't prove it's the case.....
has anyone else noticed problems that appear to be related to dust that arent solely crashes or YLOD's?? |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.05 15:41:00 -
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Well..... unless someone from CCP (unlikely I know) posts in this thread with some advice or whatever, then I'll be making a post in General.
I can't see them taking issue with that as the header of this forum is Technical Support/Bugs.
I'd hardly call breaking my PS3 a bug and if they don't help me then there isn't a lot of support going on either.
I hate this crap.... and I don't mean the breaking of my PS3 (though I dont like that either), but how can no one respond. If it's been reported before and no one has had a response.......... not good!
Regards
Jax |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 15:48:00 -
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Oh and Jax, mine worked a bit before I got the total YLOD. It didn't last long enough on to run the HDD scan, so I didn't risk doing that in case of further damage and elected to clean it. It then gave the full YLOD instantly like you have now.
I'd be careful running that safe mode if it's going to cut out mid process due to an over heat. I know this doesn't help your situation, but it may actually do more harm if it gets part way through the process and reboots.
I'm going to look into re-seating the CPU/GPU and cleaning it even more thoroughly. Other than that it's gonna be a case of forking out for a new PS3 or sharing my brothers as I am now.
Frankly though I don't want to risk his console, but it is a slim model so heres hoping it's a bit more robust with getting rid of heat. I'll be giving it regular breaks anytime I get FPS drops though.
The symptoms are very similar to when I had a PC GFX card that was over heating, it's practically the same scenario. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:09:00 -
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Jax GG wrote:Dzark Kill wrote:See if you can boot up in safe mode some tips here Lets assume it work, what option should i be choosing?
If safe mode works its not completely broke.
First try option 1 just a simple restart. It's worked for me in the past.
If not give option 2 a go . Restore default. Unlikely but it could work without losing any data.
Then try 3 repair system files. You can lose data if anything corrupted when you crashed. This will most likely be dust files so fairly safe but may need to install dust again
Then 4. But this can lose you all data on the system.
Finally 5 restore ps3.this will set the system back to default everything is lost. But helpful if your ps3 works again.
None of these will break your ps3. If none of them fix it. The ps3 is dead :-( |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:09:00 -
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Ty,
Not sure what to do following your message.
It sounds as though this can't be fixed thus what is there to 'risk' trying the safe mode?
Unless this thing can be fixed, but other than thinking it's something to do with overheating, how can I describe the problem to someone?
Regards
Jax |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:11:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:Ive had to stop playing this build....
I'm convinced it's affecting the stability of other games (just got Hell Yeah from ps+ and its stuttery at times just like dust)..... although can't prove it's the case.....
has anyone else noticed problems that appear to be related to dust that arent solely crashes or YLOD's??
Is yours one of the older fat models Jimbo? |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:14:00 -
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Jax GG wrote:Ty,
Not sure what to do following your message.
It sounds as though this can't be fixed thus what is there to 'risk' trying the safe mode?
Unless this thing can be fixed, but other than thinking it's something to do with overheating, how can I describe the problem to someone?
Regards
Jax
The only risk with safe mode is if you crash part way through. T
But generally you can just start again. I've never witness a crash and if it does it just highlight your problem is hardware not software. There is nothing to lose really if it not working already. |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:17:00 -
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As Dzark says, it''s the only thing you can try really without a bit of tech knowledge.
It's gotta be worth a go imo. |
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Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:21:00 -
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Right.....
Safe mode doesn't work.
The system turns itself off about 1 second after trying to turn it on. Thus I do not have time to even get into safe mode.
Any other ideas?
I know nothing about Consoles..... are they something I can take to some shop somewhere and get repaired?
Regards |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:27:00 -
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Sony will offer to fix it for about 75% the cost of you paid for the thing. They offered me the same when my Blu Ray went, I told them to jump.
You may be able to find a local computer shop that might be able to help, but they're few and far between tbh. Most computer shop guys don't even know enough about computers, let alone consoles unfortunately
The other thing you could do is look up YLOD and fixes on the web. Some of them are bizarre so be wary of anything that says using towels and blocking vents to make it get hot. Same goes for turning the PS3 upside down, it's just inverting the flow of air so the thing overheats very quickly. These will likely just fry your hardware. |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:28:00 -
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Man..... the Mrs is going to hit the roof!
She hates these games and now, no films, no Tv series, and I might have to buy another console........ NOT GOOD. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:43:00 -
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Jax GG wrote:Right.....
Safe mode doesn't work.
The system turns itself off about 1 second after trying to turn it on. Thus I do not have time to even get into safe mode.
Any other ideas?
I know nothing about Consoles..... are they something I can take to some shop somewhere and get repaired?
Regards
Try keeping the power button held down as you turn the power on at the back. Other than that it sounds like some hardware died. Hard enough to pin them down on PC without swapping out parts which isn't as easy on a PS3.
Could give Sony Tec a call, but yeah fixing it will cost almost as much as a new one. But they may have some other steps to try. If your lucky enough to have a Sony Centre or outlet nearby. When I worked for one we were very helpful in trying to resolve issues but it does depend a lot on the staff.
Defo raise a bug report with ccp may not help for an isolated issue, but if it become more wide spread they are more likely to do something about it. Refusing to compensate an individual based on the EULA is one thing. Refusing to compensate numerous individuals can give a company a lot of bad press especially if it is their doing. But it's impossible to prove them at fault until so many people experience it that it cannot be refuted. |
bluenzo1
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:07:00 -
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Cant blame CCP for something Sony should be able to control.
System gets to hot? It should turn itself off.
Why cant sony do this? |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:11:00 -
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bluenzo1 wrote:Cant blame CCP for something Sony should be able to control.
System gets to hot? It should turn itself off.
Why cant sony do this?
To be honest, after looking on You tube I'm kinda at this point.
Almost all of what I read referred to the system overheating and the soldering joints breaking.
There are two very popular videos that show how to fix it. Now I'm used to taking PC's apart but DAMN, there are a lot of screws in a PS3!!!
I'm really not sure what to do. If this is a common fault with Playstations then surely there is a responsibility from Sony to repair or from developers to ensure that don';t create games that overheat on systems that they know are likely to do so.
Jax |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:24:00 -
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One thing that did make my laugh in my moments of despair.
It seems many people agree that DUST can cause the system to overheat...... sadly I think they are refering to the messy kinda and not the game.
Seriously though, after playing DUST and having the livingroom door closed (to noisy) my Mrs complains that the room is baking....... kinda all makes sense now.
What I don't understand is how the complete melt down has only affected a few of us.
Regards
Jax |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:26:00 -
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I'm totally with you Jax, but the thing is both Sony and Devs have covered there asses with various Eula's and such making them untouchable in most cases.
It's a ****** situation, but one I can't do anything about. |
Jax GG
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:30:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:I'm totally with you Jax, but the thing is both Sony and Devs have covered there asses with various Eula's and such making them untouchable in most cases.
It's a ****** situation, but one I can't do anything about.
The thing that worries me is that even if i brave a repair, such as the ones on youtube, where you completely stip the system, with the heat that this game/my machine generates, all I am really doing is exasperating the problem to a point where I will need to buy a new one at some point.
So, is the real question; Will CCP be able to create a build that is less demanding than the current one?
Jax |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:43:00 -
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Jax GG wrote:Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:I'm totally with you Jax, but the thing is both Sony and Devs have covered there asses with various Eula's and such making them untouchable in most cases.
It's a ****** situation, but one I can't do anything about. The thing that worries me is that even if i brave a repair, such as the ones on youtube, where you completely stip the system, with the heat that this game/my machine generates, all I am really doing is exasperating the problem to a point where I will need to buy a new one at some point. So, is the real question; Will CCP be able to create a build that is less demanding than the current one? Jax
Unfortunately it's why we have to sign away our life prior to testing lol.
The heat build up could be caused by a bug hitting at an inopportune moment can cause additional stress on hardware. Most people regularly dust their PC's to avoid over heats as there are many more bugs on that platform. Most people me included don'tgive the PS3 the same level of hygiene.
Dust build up, badly timed bug can lead to an overheat which can damage parts. But obviously won't kill everyones PS3. Think it's time for a clean before mine dies too. |
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