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Sir Tapticc
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:33:00 -
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As the title says, if you enable friendly fire, orbital strikes will have to be used with much more caution to avoid killing your own. This will mean communication with team members will need to increase and might encourage more people to use the bleeding mic as well!
What do you think guys? Is this enough to stop the orbital strike spamming? |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:41:00 -
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+1 |
Sir Tapticc
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:43:00 -
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Why, thank you Sir |
4447
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:45:00 -
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Sir Tapticc wrote:As the title says, if you enable friendly fire, orbital strikes will have to be used with much more caution to avoid killing your own. This will mean communication with team members will need to increase and might encourage more people to use the bleeding mic as well!
What do you think guys? Is this enough to stop the orbital strike spamming?
do you think people who boost care about their team? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:45:00 -
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I'm pretty sure they do friendly fire right now...don't they?
At the very least I know you can kill yourself with them... |
SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'm pretty sure they do friendly fire right now...don't they?
At the very least I know you can kill yourself with them...
You can only kill yourself with them. Not friendlies.
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SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:24:00 -
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4447 wrote:Sir Tapticc wrote:As the title says, if you enable friendly fire, orbital strikes will have to be used with much more caution to avoid killing your own. This will mean communication with team members will need to increase and might encourage more people to use the bleeding mic as well!
What do you think guys? Is this enough to stop the orbital strike spamming? do you think people who boost care about their team?
They will if the penalty for killing friendlies is higher than the reward for killing enemies.
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G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
73
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:26:00 -
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Friendly fire would be very nice. At the same time I like how it took longer before to get a precision strike compared to now where anyone with 4 people in a squad gets one every 2 mins. |
Sir Tapticc
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:21:00 -
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G Sacred wrote:Friendly fire would be very nice. At the same time I like how it took longer before to get a precision strike compared to now where anyone with 4 people in a squad gets one every 2 mins.
People queue them up now to unleash them 3 or 4 at a time to turn a match, sooner we can play friendly fire enabled the better |
Bosse Ansgar
47
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:34:00 -
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Agree totally. However you need to make the repercussions worse that just loosing more points that you get for killing the enemy. I'd say that if you kill an ally with an orbital strike you don't get any points at all from the strike and none of the kills are added to your k/d ratio, and in addition killing an ally takes 1 kill from your k/d ratio. Lastly, mark on the battle results page how many allies you killed. That way if it is really worth it to loose that one person for the sake of the team you'll do it and take one for the team, but if it is not absolutely necessary then you won't do it. That will straighten the orbital strike spamming situation right up. |
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Wintars Boar
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
64
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:54:00 -
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I'm not certain for how it will work, but last build when I was crashing my DS into stuff, a passenger didn't bail before boom. I swear I saw a -50 flash across the screen. If you got a -50 for each friendly death, and a -25 for each friendly assist. Tactics would change a lot. Mass drivers would butcher your end of match numbers |
Andius Fidelitas
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:03:00 -
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Bosse Ansgar wrote:Agree totally. However you need to make the repercussions worse that just loosing more points that you get for killing the enemy. I'd say that if you kill an ally with an orbital strike you don't get any points at all from the strike and none of the kills are added to your k/d ratio, and in addition killing an ally takes 1 kill from your k/d ratio. Lastly, mark on the battle results page how many allies you killed. That way if it is really worth it to loose that one person for the sake of the team you'll do it and take one for the team, but if it is not absolutely necessary then you won't do it. That will straighten the orbital strike spamming situation right up.
This I agree. This could probably incentivize true precision strikes. However, it remains to be seen if people WILL react this way. Of course, this is what beta is about, to test the theory, and see if it abides well.
But yeah, eliminating 60-100wp for each friendly you kill is a scary incentive as it is. 0.o |
Bosse Ansgar
47
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Posted - 2012.10.05 17:03:00 -
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Wintars Boar wrote:I'm not certain for how it will work, but last build when I was crashing my DS into stuff, a passenger didn't bail before boom. I swear I saw a -50 flash across the screen. If you got a -50 for each friendly death, and a -25 for each friendly assist. Tactics would change a lot. Mass drivers would butcher your end of match numbers
Very true, but with orbital strikes you can call them in on a huge gun melee and and not worry about drawbacks. Negating all kills and points you would have otherwise have gotten via that strike in addition to loosing points for the team kill I believe would be a sufficient enough drawback.
If you just penalize them for the one team kill but they get 6 more in that same strike, they will almost always go for it. Hell I'd go for it even if I was dropping that strike on my own head. And the issue is that they are used too much, so if you make it so that an ally death will cause you huge drawbacks, you won't want to use a strike ANYWHERE near an ally, because you don't know if they are stupid enough to wander into it. |
Sir Tapticc
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.05 18:41:00 -
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Bosse Ansgar wrote:[quote=Wintars Boar]
you won't want to use a strike ANYWHERE near an ally, because you don't know if they are stupid enough to wander into it.
Back to I hope this will encourage better use of mics to discuss where to drop the precision strikes! |
Bosse Ansgar
47
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Posted - 2012.10.06 06:10:00 -
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Very true on the mics. However depending on the game type, map, and the players familiarity with the stages, describing just where you plan to drop a strike to someone in the middle of a firefight might be a bit tough. |
Sir Tapticc
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.06 07:03:00 -
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Bosse Ansgar wrote:Very true on the mics. However depending on the game type, map, and the players familiarity with the stages, describing just where you plan to drop a strike to someone in the middle of a firefight might be a bit tough.
Correct - except I thought we were getting a map grid reference system to make it easier to identify locations? |
Lead Squall
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
54
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Posted - 2012.10.06 07:04:00 -
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The problem with friendly fire is that some people will use that to troll others by killing their own team.
To alleviate that, perhaps some of the negatives go to the person killed.
start racking up the team kills, and all of a sudden you stop gaining any sp/isk for the match. |
Bosse Ansgar
47
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Posted - 2012.10.06 07:18:00 -
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Sir Tapticc wrote:Bosse Ansgar wrote:Very true on the mics. However depending on the game type, map, and the players familiarity with the stages, describing just where you plan to drop a strike to someone in the middle of a firefight might be a bit tough. Correct - except I thought we were getting a map grid reference system to make it easier to identify locations?
Are we? Sorry, I deleted a character a while back and it screwed up my access to the forums, just got back in yesterday.
@Lead Squall:
How about stopping squad leader commission acquisition as well for squad leaders who kill allies with strikes? |
Snagman 313
Carbon 7
41
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Posted - 2012.10.06 07:31:00 -
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I thought friendly fire was on?
I got cornered last night while falling back from an enemy group and had an OS so I called it in just in front of my position and I died from one of the blasts, still got 4 of them though.
Did something else get me? I'm sure it was the OS as the tally said "Snagman 313 died"
Snagman out. |
Bosse Ansgar
47
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Posted - 2012.10.06 07:36:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:I thought friendly fire was on?
I got cornered last night while falling back from an enemy group and had an OS so I called it in just in front of my position and I died from one of the blasts, still got 4 of them though.
Did something else get me? I'm sure it was the OS as the tally said "Snagman 313 died"
Snagman out.
No it's not enabled, however you can suicide by calling in an orbital strike on yourself. |
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Snagman 313
Carbon 7
41
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Posted - 2012.10.06 07:45:00 -
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Ah I see, I suppose it was not one of my best decisions then but if you're not willing to bombard your own overrun position you're not willing to win!
Snagman out |
Bosse Ansgar
47
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Posted - 2012.10.06 08:07:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:Ah I see, I suppose it was not one of my best decisions then but if you're not willing to bombard your own overrun position you're not willing to win!
Snagman out
Ha! Well said. Like dropping a live grenade to take the enemy with you. ^^ |
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