DUST Search - Even the most garbage PS3 dev hasn't released such a garbage beta.

Ieukoplast wrote:

Rorek IronBlood wrote:

Okay. There is a difference between a real [beta] and a glorified demo which is what the industry has systematically done over the last decade almost. As for being the worst developer you've seen for the PlayStation3; have you not seen Zipper Interactive and SOCOM4? How about Lightbox Interactive and Starhawk? You know that is still being put together in large patches. It just finally got death match like a couple of weeks ago now. I've seen of worse fully released products. Like Capcom titles, and Biohazard6. Again do you even know what you are talking about? I'm not saying you are just that you are over exaggerating things.

There is lag, and latency though. We all know this. It more less has to do with the server and build. When you have a jurry rigged unpolished build plus an older server such as this you are bound to have issues arise. This is why were in a [beta] though. It takes time. Hopefully CCP understands this and pushes the release date to early 2013 though. I'm not saying I agree with or like everything they did, but really I have seen worse products -- STEAK anyone from the Xbox? -- that were fully released. Atleast here were in a [beta]. It can be ugly. So long as CCP understands they need to fix it and take their time.

No one here wants the game to flop or fail. That is the truth. The previous build being better? That is more or less subjective. I find this build leaps and bounds better. What I think is a small minority of people are just finding nostlagia with the old build or having a harder time adapting to this build. I'd like us to be more civil, but when threads like this pop up.. Especially from a Warhawker that I know I get a bit emberassed for the both us. It retracts the from issues we should be discussing as a community as there are real glitches, hiccups, hangups, and issues to deal with.

Also for the record CCP has several DICE members on staff to help program and consult this game. So yeah. They are talking to some devs. More of less; less or more.

I really hate to say this, but Socom4 and Starhawk were MILES above what CCP has now. No, I am not talking about the raw gameplay or what the game is about. I am talking about playability.

Even thought those games sucked beyond suck, at least I could play them somewhat consistently. Pretty much the worst thing to deal with was reliably finding a match.

See what you don't understand is that some of us, like me, are having MASSIVE issues with the latest build. I spend several hours a night restarting my game and dealing with bugs and errors left and right... just so I can play ONE MATCH. So many of you play like it's not big deal at all, but I am struggling nearly 100% of the time just to get in a single damn match without issues, bugs or errors.

For crying out loud, 9 times out of 10 when I type something into the chat rooms for my local, squad, or corp... I CANNOT see it, nor can I receive squad invites or anything like that. I try EVERY night to play with friend(s), yet we spend most of the night just getting me into a squad and into a match successfully. MOST of the time nothing ever works. I would be lucky to play 2 matches a night with my friends (or even by myself).

Seriously man, you have absolutely no idea what kind of stress and crap I am going through just to attempt to play this game every single night. You would be 100% grey in a few days for what i have had to deal with in the last week or so. Even my buddy has said that nobody he has played with has gone through what I have.

In an attempt to fix something, I am going to delete everything Dust on my PS3 and start over, from scratch... which for me means about 48 hours or more of PURE downloading. ****!!!

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Matobar Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2012.10.05 13:39:00 - [31] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Matobar wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: TRY NOT to include 'uncharted 3, starhawk, and battlefield 3'3 as they are also under the 'glorified demo with beta label'. You mean those weren't betas? Ask any dedicated PC gamer and they will tell you........'no' I know, I was just messing.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.10.05 13:41:00 - [32] - Quote Matobar wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: Matobar wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: TRY NOT to include 'uncharted 3, starhawk, and battlefield 3'3 as they are also under the 'glorified demo with beta label'. You mean those weren't betas? Ask any dedicated PC gamer and they will tell you........'no' I know, I was just messing.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.10.05 13:48:00 - [33] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could ***** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. I had this happen to me last night Leuko and I restarted the PS3 and it went away. I was stutter stepping and the game had unplayable lag, I rebooted and it worked fine. So this is an in game issue. Have you made a BUG report on it, i'll post in it as well if so.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 13:52:00 - [34] - Quote Well starting by deleting the entire application and then redownloading it all is a good start, but it could also just be your equipment. What sort of television set are you using? Does it have a 'Game Mode' where it can optomize for more Mhz, or frames per second? What is your connection though? Actually it depends on where the servers are being held in relation to where you are and your internet upload and download speed. Since CCP is primarily station in Greenland, or Norway I believe? Somoene else may know specifically, but I would postulate that their main servers are being run from there. Which is not exactly helping our lag at the moment. I'm not saying that justifies it all of the problems or latency issues. The build being a jurry rigged unpolished mess does not help either. It's literally not a pretty sight under the hood. I can garuntee that. In states like this; whenever you fix one issue another arises. Which is why I call [beta] times and the issues that plague these times "Amusement Park" issues. The devs have a sh!+ list for the day and it's all about debugging, and programming lines of codes. I personally could not and would not do it all day long. It would drive me insane. If your porblems still persist though I would suggest contacting their support staff and e-mailing them. Here are some things to consider though (as I do not know what you have or run.) What is your internet upload and download speed? What sort of television set are you using? Delete and reinstall Dust514 application. Are you running via wireless or ethernet cable connection? Little things matter a lot. I'm not having nearly as many issues as you or some are, and I run a phatty, George Foreman grill PlayStation3. So it certainly is not the standardized home entertainment consoles that is the problem. It could very well be that you were just unlucky enough to be victim to these issues. However you are in a rare spot to approprietly respond to these issues in a civil and rational manner as a tester. This is why you are here essentially. To test and find these problems.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 13:54:00 - [35] - Quote Matobar wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: TRY NOT to include 'uncharted 3, starhawk, and battlefield 3'3 as they are also under the 'glorified demo with beta label'. You mean those weren't betas? Ever try the KILLZONE3, Uncharted3, or Battlefield3 [betas]? No difference from final product at all. Glorified demo indeed.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.10.05 13:58:00 - [36] - Quote 4447 wrote: Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could *** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. i bet every PS3 beta you have played was a demo beta... This seriously is a ****** argument. R2 closed beta KZ2 closed beta Uncharted 2 closed beta MAG closed beta KZ3 closed beta (the alpha code is leaps and bounds better than DUST is. I actually still have the alpha code on my PS3 and it still works) Uncharted 3 beta all real betas and are superior to DUST while they were in closed beta
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.05 14:33:00 - [37] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could ***** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. Troll Need I say more?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.10.05 14:34:00 - [38] - Quote I can think of far worse developers. BTW KZ3 was KZ2 Re-skinned same engine thus already hardened there is a reason why its alpha code is seemingly more stable than Dusts. Dust 514 alpha code probably looked like mine craft.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:10:00 - [39] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: 4447 wrote: Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could *** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. i bet every PS3 beta you have played was a demo beta... This seriously is a ****** argument. R2 closed beta KZ2 closed beta Uncharted 2 closed beta MAG closed beta KZ3 closed beta (the alpha code is leaps and bounds better than DUST is. I actually still have the alpha code on my PS3 and it still works) Uncharted 3 beta all real betas and are superior to DUST while they were in closed beta their all sony products with a endless budget...
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:19:00 - [40] - Quote been in worse betas and had the honesty to tell the devs that too. it's only 1 mans opinion. if everyone in this beta was honest and not suggesting things that just better the game for themselves we'd end up with a very very cool game that would be fun for most people.

Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 187	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:22:00 - [41] - Quote It's just CCPs way of farming the Tear Jar. Looks like they scored another few.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:24:00 - [42] - Quote Cortez The Killer wrote: It's just CCPs way of farming the Tear Jar. Looks like they scored another few. bad excuse for not making the best game to date. currently they don't even come close
Grezkev The Red Guards 100	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:24:00 - [43] - Quote lol. Nuff said
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:26:00 - [44] - Quote Grezkev wrote: lol. Nuff said shoo shouldnt you be intervewing some scrubs?
VanguardCommander Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:52:00 - [45] - Quote This topic needs to be closed nothing here but ranting
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:03:00 - [46] - Quote truth? and evryone they interviewed are in 1 alliance?
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:12:00 - [47] - Quote dude. OP. The game is litterally unfinished. There is no secert build being held back for ***** and giggles. They don't have to let us test this game. GW2 for instrance only let people play for 2 days once every 2 months. This was to stop people from raging like you
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:13:00 - [48] - Quote Matobar wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: TRY NOT to include 'uncharted 3, starhawk, and battlefield 3'3 as they are also under the 'glorified demo with beta label'. You mean those weren't betas? They weren't
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 810	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:16:00 - [49] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could ***** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. someone didn't play the LBP Karting beta
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:32:00 - [50] - Quote crazy space wrote: dude. OP. The game is litterally unfinished. There is no secert build being held back for *** and giggles. They don't have to let us test this game. GW2 for instrance only let people play for 2 days once every 2 months. This was to stop people from raging like you you make me sad. just ***** ban me. easy solution. i'm just a dumbass.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:40:00 - [51] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: Okay. There is a difference between a real [beta] and a glorified demo which is what the industry has systematically done over the last decade almost. As for being the worst developer you've seen for the PlayStation3; have you not seen Zipper Interactive and SOCOM4? How about Lightbox Interactive and Starhawk? You know that is still being put together in large patches. It just finally got death match like a couple of weeks ago now. I've seen of worse fully released products. Like Capcom titles, and Biohazard6. Again do you even know what you are talking about? I'm not saying you are just that you are over exaggerating things. There is lag, and latency though. We all know this. It more less has to do with the server and build. When you have a jurry rigged unpolished build plus an older server such as this you are bound to have issues arise. This is why were in a [beta] though. It takes time. Hopefully CCP understands this and pushes the release date to early 2013 though. I'm not saying I agree with or like everything they did, but really I have seen worse products -- STEAK anyone from the Xbox? -- that were fully released. Atleast here were in a [beta]. It can be ugly. So long as CCP understands they need to fix it and take their time. No one here wants the game to flop or fail. That is the truth. The previous build being better? That is more or less subjective. I find this build leaps and bounds better. What I think is a small minority of people are just finding nostlagia with the old build or having a harder time adapting to this build. I'd like us to be more civil, but when threads like this pop up.. Especially from a Warhawker that I know I get a bit emberassed for the both us. It retracts the from issues we should be discussing as a community as there are real glitches, hiccups, hangups, and issues to deal with. Also for the record CCP has several DICE members on staff to help program and consult this game. So yeah. They are talking to some devs. More of less; less or more. I really hate to say this, but Socom4 and Starhawk were MILES above what CCP has now. No, I am not talking about the raw gameplay or what the game is about. I am talking about playability. Even thought those games sucked beyond suck, at least I could play them somewhat consistently. Pretty much the worst thing to deal with was reliably finding a match. See what you don't understand is that some of us, like me, are having MASSIVE issues with the latest build. I spend several hours a night restarting my game and dealing with bugs and errors left and right... just so I can play ONE MATCH. So many of you play like it's not big deal at all, but I am struggling nearly 100% of the time just to get in a single damn match without issues, bugs or errors. For crying out loud, 9 times out of 10 when I type something into the chat rooms for my local, squad, or corp... I CANNOT see it, nor can I receive squad invites or anything like that. I try EVERY night to play with friend(s), yet we spend most of the night just getting me into a squad and into a match successfully. MOST of the time nothing ever works. I would be lucky to play 2 matches a night with my friends (or even by myself). Seriously man, you have absolutely no idea what kind of stress and crap I am going through just to attempt to play this game every single night. You would be 100% grey in a few days for what i have had to deal with in the last week or so. Even my buddy has said that nobody he has played with has gone through what I have. In an attempt to fix something, I am going to delete everything Dust on my PS3 and start over, from scratch... which for me means about 48 hours or more of PURE downloading. ****!!! Look I am going to try and say this in a polite manner: Get a better internet hookup. If you are useing Wi Fi chances are someone is leeching off your internet hookup and thus its SLOW for your gameplay. Fixes: WIRED internet to PS3. BETTER ISP provider with MINIMUM ten megabit download and five megabit upload. Get rid of the OLD router and buy a NEW one. Get a NEW cable installed or NEW DSL line since your equipment is probably old, tired and busted. Take a nap every once in a bit. Check your sensitivity numbers on the controller.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 88	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:09:00 - [52] - Quote Played 6 matches last night all whent fine, some lag. Fiber 50-50
Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:50:00 - [53] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could ***** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. U need to "relax" and work on lowering your standards and making your tolerance threshold next to non-existent! THEN you will see this build in all its glory! An unethical amount of patience is the key
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:16:00 - [54] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Well starting by deleting the entire application and then redownloading it all is a good start, but it could also just be your equipment. What sort of television set are you using? Does it have a 'Game Mode' where it can optomize for more Mhz, or frames per second? . This made me chuckle, it's similar to the Dice BF3 fiasco. There is no input lagg for the ps3 version of bf3 it's your tv's fault remember that. I to get lagg low frame rates on this version, yes I use a wired connection, my ports are forwarded , and I got a super duper new led tv and good internet service. Ive been in many beta's mainly on the pc but what gets me most here are two things. 1/ The way people are all to quick to defend this game and try to discredit players who have concerns and issues. 2/ The total lack of any feed back, acknowledgement or input from the developers themselves on there own forum. In most betas the developer will go out of there way to keep testers informed and communicate on any bugs issues and just generally keep the community informed, not seen that here and that you cant defend EDIT--- I have played a dozen games in this new build and with the issues above plus it's the most boring build to date in game play I'm not impressed. And yes you can have my stuff.
Vermendi Mercana 5	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:19:00 - [55] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could ***** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. And this is a lassic example on why MMO's Are rare on consoles because of idiotic whiniing such as this
Serotriptomin3 Novaborn Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:24:00 - [56] - Quote There is 1 map where frames drop to unplayable levels. Around 7PM pst US players are not allowed to play skirmish. Other then that, I've seen nothing that would constitute this being a ****** beta. As far as I understand, they are scaling items, testing different aspects of the game and are accumulating data to fix the problems that have persisted without creating new ones. shrug
DON RODIE II Deep Space Republic 168	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:28:00 - [57] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Wow, I just love playing at a frame-rate of 2 FPS during a heated match.... ALL THE TIME. CCP, you have raised the bar at releasing pure unplayable garbage upon the PS3 community. No beta I have EVER been in has been this shoddy and **-poor. And I have been playing on the PS3 since it came out. No other beta has EVER been this bad, you guys win the award of WORST PS3 DEVELOPER OF ALL TIME. The sad thing is, the previous build was miles better than this crap. At least I could ***** play a match with a decent frame-rate. Talk to some PS3 devs for crying out loud, and get some damn advice on how to make a PS3 game. lol this guy never played a beta in his life. Planetside 2 got the same issues.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:10:00 - [58] - Quote Not everyone will agree with my thoughts but some will. I'd play Dust more if these possible deficiencies were improved. Dust graphics are extremely low quality. I don't know many PS3 games with so little quality. Even MAG which many would say had very low quality graphics would be an extreme improvement. Section 8 Prejudice which Dust seems very much alike also had better graphics as well and it may have been below MAG's quality. The scopes are very jerky when compared to smooth moving COD, Battlefield, and MAG red dot scoping. It's basically a very low quality version of Battlefield 3's Conquest game mode which means teams are no longer defending their location. Everyone is attacking. In Dust's story, corporations are to defend their own planet but they'd still be attacking with the current build. The first build didn't have this issue as one team was a dedicated defender and the other was the attacker. (I compare Dust to BF3 due to its larger maps and slower paced combat than COD's Domination game mode) Huge empty maps which take a long time to get to the action so if you die just as you get there, you have to make that long walk all over again. This means players have a reduced frequency of intense fire fights and more running which is boring, at least for me. Smaller maps would remedy this and reduce memory needs which would be better used for improved graphics. The large maps are barren anyway so players aren't missing out on beautiful scenery. (I suppose larger maps are more for the vehicles but even in ambush mode's smaller maps, the vehicles operate just fine without the large area around the central complex). Final Note: The first build was my favorite build but I don't think it was appreciated as much by the majority of players. I thought all the guns worked well in that build and the dedicated attacker and defender work best with CCP's original concept of defending your planet. As enthusiastic as I initially was about Dust 514, I don't believe it's near ready to be released without a complete overhaul. That likely will not happen so I wish Dust the best of luck, it will need it.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:17:00 - [59] - Quote http://youtu.be/wcLNteez3c4
R F Gyro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 315	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:17:00 - [60] - Quote To OP: your experience with the new build seems much worse than most people's. What is your ping time to the servers?... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18627&find=unread Also, are you playing in squads led by players from a different timezone? As far as I know the game picks a regional server (US, EU, AP, Australia) based on the location of the squad leader. This thread talks about the network ports used by the game. Make sure they aren't being blocked... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27899&find=unread This thread also has advice for router & PS3 config... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27896&find=unread 48 hours to download is a very long time. It only took me 3 hours, but I have 30mb fibre.



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