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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.02 04:09:00 - [1] - Quote About the laser rifle: This post has been edited extensively after more testing. UPDATE: Using it with a heavy suit is much better, and I managed to get a couple kills with it. The effective range is still very problematic because at mid range, assault rifles can still hit me, and they can usually kill me faster than I can kill them. I actually had fun with this gun though. The range is the only major problem with the laser rifle, without a heavy suit, its almost guaranteed death because assault rifles share similar range, and ARs have amazing DPS. __________________________________________ Now about the attribute stats: They leave a lot to be desired. It doesn't say if the damage is the minimum or the maximum damage. It doesn't tell the rate of damage increase for continuous fire. It doesn't say the rate of fire. Yes I know its a laser beam and all, but there is clearly a rate that the magazine (or power cell) depletes when it is fired non stop. "seize time" is not the best choice of words, seriously, what is seize time?.
Whispercrow Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 102	Posted - 2012.10.02 04:38:00 - [2] - Quote Laser Rifles are like the anti-Assault-Rifles. Not as a counter, but the 'theme' of them is the exact opposite. Assault Rifles have great range and do a set amount of damage over time. You WANT to hit the enemy with your first shot and hold it on him until he dies, preferably by surprise or outside his range. You also want to conserve ammo due to the reload effect happening after so few shots, so generally if you're not going to hit you don't hold down the trigger lest you go into reload too fast. Laser Rifles have a stupidly short range, and you DON'T want to hit the enemy with the initial beam... letting it build up a second or so will result in a much faster kill. Due to its distinctive sound and graphic, if you start drilling the enemy from the get-go, they usually have the chance to duck behind cover or retaliate with burst damage. And if you try to 'conserve' fire rate by firing it in bursts, you're killing your own damage output. In short, I rather like them, actually.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.02 05:11:00 - [3] - Quote A gun that punishes actually hitting your target from the beginning... how brilliant.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.10.02 05:12:00 - [4] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: A gun that punishes actually hitting your target from the beginning... how brilliant. Genuis CCP Note: intentionally misspelled
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.10.02 08:53:00 - [5] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: A gun that punishes actually hitting your target from the beginning... how brilliant. Lol maybe it's a kill steal weapon
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.02 08:57:00 - [6] - Quote lol. Didnt try them yet but will give it a shot. i have to ^^
Mobius Kaethis Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 306	Posted - 2012.10.02 12:25:00 - [7] - Quote Does anyone else think they look like a "plasma iron" for the merc with major armor wrinkle issues? Perhaps if your Amarran drop suit gets a crease in it you'll want to use the laser rifle to get it all nice and smooth again. Really though, having not used it yet, I can only say that I think you'd have to be mighty accurate for it in a close quarters duel to have any chance of winning vs an smg or an assault rifle. If only there was a range stat and a way to see how the damage ramps then I feel like we could make a more accurate comparison.
Lasarte Ioni Noob Gaming 72	Posted - 2012.10.02 12:41:00 - [8] - Quote it has the same or a little less range than a AR, but if both of you are fighting in the edge of your range, the LAZOR own 'em. Thats all, you select targets as far of you as possible, vaporise 'em and if they get 10 meters closer, you either run away or get your SMG and get the closest you can (not recommendable, blob/fused grenades anyone?) does a decent amount of damage to LAVS, 2 mags and its gone and the reload time is shorter than AR's. tl;dr: it's a fuckin' situational weapon to use, get an AR and you'll do better 90% of the time w/o investing a single skill, but well, it's a laser, so its a crime no have a fit or two with that weapon. PD: the LR can effectively outrange a AR; he can hit you, but do the shitiest dmg ever, you can hit it and do the exact same dmg you normally do(maybe a little less) so you need 40 charges to kill him and he needs 2 mags.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 324	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:02:00 - [9] - Quote I've been having great success with the entry level laser rifle. I've killed so many guys who thought they would be cute and pop their head over a ridge to take potshots at me. The cover did nothing for them, since the laser essentially has perfect accuracy. I can generally strip someone's shields off within a second or so of hitting them, which causes them to go running for cover if I'm too far away. Killed a lot of guys mid-air last night as they tried to jump over a hill and get away from me. It sucks up close, but that's why you carry an SMG.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:34:00 - [10] - Quote Its a interesting weapon for special or skillful use not a I win gun like some of you were hoing for. Maybe it can be tweaked by AR should still rule with laser rifles being a situation weapon

Calv Halek Codex Troopers 0	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:46:00 - [11] - Quote From my experience, if you can draw a steady bead, they're magic. But compensating for the lack of recoil and the fact that you can't lead like you can with an AR. I'm having fun with it, but it will take some getting used to.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.10.02 15:33:00 - [12] - Quote I feel like it's going to become a Kb&M only weapon.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 191	Posted - 2012.10.02 18:47:00 - [13] - Quote I like lazor rifles, theyr are extremely precise.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.10.03 01:17:00 - [14] - Quote I haven't gotten to try out the new laser rifles yet but I support the better stat readout. Honestly I think all the gear could benefit from more details in presentation.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.03 17:47:00 - [15] - Quote The stats really limit how much of an argument I can construct, its annoying. I really wish they improve the stat page at least. Anyway, going to test the laser rifle some more before testing the nova knives again.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:00:00 - [16] - Quote This issue I have with them is they have damage build up by range AND time. So if you hit a stationary target at 10m, you do less damage than the same person at 50m. On top of that you have damage build up, and if it is anything like the HMG accuracy stat, leveling up the skill means it takes longer to hit that high damage zone, which is counter-intuitive.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:08:00 - [17] - Quote Was about to check its effective range compared to the assault rifle to see the difference, this way I could know exactly how far I need to be to kill an AR user without being massacred in 2 seconds... and I just remembered there is no range stat in the attributes sighs
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:10:00 - [18] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: This issue I have with them is they have damage build up by range AND time. So if you hit a stationary target at 10m, you do less damage than the same person at 50m. On top of that you have damage build up, and if it is anything like the HMG accuracy stat, leveling up the skill means it takes longer to hit that high damage zone, which is counter-intuitive. Wow, I didn't notice the range thing... that is really really terrible. It wouldn't be so bad if the range was unlimited, but the laser stops going after passing a certain range, even though its suppose to get stronger with range; kind of nonsensical. Useless at close range, can still get murdered by militia AR users at mid range, and stops working at long range.
Kiyoko Ling Syndicus Manufactorum 0	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:20:00 - [19] - Quote I have been rocking with the LR for two days now and I can say I like it. It does not play like a AR so you go to play it to its strengths. I use it with a Skinweave Heavy PBO suit (I know lucky bastard) and some other BPO modules so its only the gun I have to pay for, and the T1 is a bargain. I'm not entirely sure if the T2 LR is worth the extra cost tho, with a couple of levels in LR you only overheat at the very end of a mag with the T1, and the T2 doesn't give you extra ammo/damage (from what I can see). I try to engage enemies at as long a range as possible, you have zero recoil, at that distance a AR will sends shots flying over your head while you can leisurely gun him down with a sustained volley. TL;DR: Heavy + LR, shot people at long range with it, they often wont hit you back. Cheers.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:22:00 - [20] - Quote Kiyoko Ling wrote: I have been rocking with the LR for two days now and I can say I like it. It does not play like a AR so you go to play it to its strengths. I use it with a Skinweave Heavy PBO suit (I know lucky bastard) and some other BPO modules so its only the gun I have to pay for, and the T1 is a bargain. I'm not entirely sure if the T2 LR is worth the extra cost tho, with a couple of levels in LR you only overheat at the very end of a mag with the T1, and the T2 doesn't give you extra ammo/damage (from what I can see). I try to engage enemies at as long a range as possible, you have zero recoil, at that distance a AR will sends shots flying over your head while you can leisurely gun him down with a sustained volley. TL;DR: Heavy + LR, shot people at long range with it, they often wont hit you back. Cheers. Thanks, going to test it with a heavy now.

Kiyoko Ling Syndicus Manufactorum 0	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:28:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: This issue I have with them is they have damage build up by range AND time. So if you hit a stationary target at 10m, you do less damage than the same person at 50m. On top of that you have damage build up, and if it is anything like the HMG accuracy stat, leveling up the skill means it takes longer to hit that high damage zone, which is counter-intuitive. Wow, I didn't notice the range thing... that is really really terrible. It wouldn't be so bad if the range was unlimited, but the laser stops going after passing a certain range, even though its suppose to get stronger with range; kind of nonsensical. Useless at close range, can still get murdered by militia AR users at mid range, and stops working at long range. Ah didn't know you did more damage at longer range, I did know about the damage build up over time (as the game politely reminds me every time I spawn with the gun). None of the LR skills gives you better accuracy but instead effects the heat build up so I don't think they effect the gun "negatively" like the HMG skill (you can just fire for a longer time). And as I wrote above, you have NO recoil, you want to be at a range then as well as other guns suffers from recoil. I like that there is a gun you have to think a bit to use, even tho its on the line of: "Close BAD, Far GOOD". Cheers.
Jariel Manton SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 210	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:29:00 - [22] - Quote I havent used them but from what i've heard they are a more mid to long range weapon. When i heard that i really wanted to try it out.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:31:00 - [23] - Quote It is a tactical AR for those without trigger control. Not sure the appeal besides LAZORZ! Note I use them and like them a lot, but I also use nova knives. Both weapons have very narrow circumstances where they are an improvement over AR and basic melee.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.04 00:25:00 - [24] - Quote Using it with a heavy suit is much better, and I managed to get a couple kills with it. The effective range is still very problematic because at mid range, assault rifles can still hit me, and they can usually kill me faster than I can kill them. I actually had fun with this gun though.
E-Dino Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.10.04 01:45:00 - [25] - Quote I found that the basic range for the laser rifle is the same range as the basic scan. So when you're able to scan someone most likely you'll be able to hit them aswell


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