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Sin3 DeusNomine
Doomheim
142
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:05:00 -
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Ya I got alot of words I want to say about how lovely of a position CCP just put drop ships in.
Basically there is a ceiling height that forces you in forge range. They destroyed resist so they do not help you at all. then they boost AV so it just rips you a new one if you get hit by it. You get no points besides for kills that your gunners get if you ever get a chance to gun.
So CCP what the hell where you thinking. hell I learned how to fly last build with how weak they where and had the ability to hit the ceiling on forge and AV when people started after me now there is no safe place besides behind a building in your teams safe zone.
it was epic having drop ship battles flying high low all over the place now it is like hey guys you are ****** because noobs cant handle epic pilots anymore.
Ya I have been so far happy supportive. And well ya now I just need to vent because dropships was my love it was very fun to fly
Sorry but had to vent guys I am pretty unhappy. ya one of those things that just hit the nerve.
So drop suit pilots vent here with me. It is needed It seems like it is not worth putting a single point into them because it will be a very fast SP sink. |
Mosley Harmless
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:06:00 -
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Nerf: The Game. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:08:00 -
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Mosley Harmless wrote:Nerf: The Game. It honestly feels that way sometimes. Sad to see that aircraft are getting nerfed again so soon after those new flight mechanics made them awesome. What we really need is a specialized anti-air weapon so that people can use that instead of swarm launchers and forge guns, and we can get a reasonable flight ceiling back. |
Tbone322
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:09:00 -
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This post makes me very nervous because I've heard that you're a really good pilot. I like to fly and consider myself average, but if you're having troubles I'm gonna be completely screwed. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:09:00 -
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Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:Ya I got alot of words I want to say about how lovely of a position CCP just put drop ships in.
Basically there is a ceiling height that forces you in forge range. They destroyed resist so they do not help you at all. then they boost AV so it just rips you a new one if you get hit by it. You get no points besides for kills that your gunners get if you ever get a chance to gun.
So CCP what the hell where you thinking. hell I learned how to fly last build with how weak they where and had the ability to hit the ceiling on forge and AV when people started after me now there is no safe place besides behind a building in your teams safe zone.
it was epic having drop ship battles flying high low all over the place now it is like hey guys you are ****** because noobs cant handle epic pilots anymore.
Ya I have been so far happy supportive. And well ya now I just need to vent because dropships was my love it was very fun to fly
Sorry but had to vent guys I am pretty unhappy. ya one of those things that just hit the nerve.
So drop suit pilots vent here with me. It is needed It seems like it is not worth putting a single point into them because it will be a very fast SP sink. ao you are saying theres a sky limit?i havent played the new build yet |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:09:00 -
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D riving U n-nerfed S uper T anks
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Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:10:00 -
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WHAT???
A Flight ceiling so low you can't avoid forge guns?
That was the only way to avoid being shot out of the sky in five seconds.
And flight means altitude. I'm supposed to spec into hover cars now?
Crap. I suppose I should go for Forge guns since that seems to be what they want. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:10:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mosley Harmless wrote:Nerf: The Game. It honestly feels that way sometimes. Sad to see that aircraft are getting nerfed again so soon after those new flight mechanics made them awesome. What we really need is a specialized anti-air weapon so that people can use that instead of swarm launchers and forge guns, and we can get a reasonable flight ceiling back. they need to nerf swarm launchers all the way..i hate dodging swarmers 3 times and have it chase me and hit it.basically it is impossible to avoid swarmers |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:11:00 -
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Skihids wrote:WHAT???
A Flight ceiling so low you can't avoid forge guns?
That was the only way to avoid being shot out of the sky in five seconds.
And flight means altitude. I'm supposed to spec into hover cars now? Hopefully this is reparable with a hotfix, or this entire build is going to see a complete lack of dropships. |
Sin3 DeusNomine
Doomheim
142
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:16:00 -
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Tbone322 wrote:This post makes me very nervous because I've heard that you're a really good pilot. I like to fly and consider myself average, but if you're having troubles I'm gonna be completely screwed. Ya Tbone it does not look good This ceiling really made drop ship flying impossible. AV had easy time dealing with 95% of pilots at the end of last build. Forges where the only thing that could get me and they where the bane of my existence but I could ceiling out of there range. Now dropships are forced within forge range at all times. and are limited to full speed flying as there only way to escape AV which is not very effective against good forgers.
Really disappointed. Drop ships where rare end of last build me and like 3 others dare to fly them besides people that MCC repped and those that used them for towers but even that happened only once in a great while. so no idea why this ceiling limit was placed to force drop ships under tower height at all times.
I need to test it in a towerless map yet but it seems pretty hopeless to me.
AND to top it all of they give the Aerial Vehicles Active fuel injector 50 CPU and 625 PG req. There is no fricken dropship that has that fitting ability.
CCP you did alot of great things in this build but You just really showed some major hate on dropships hardcore here. |
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Khortez D
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:19:00 -
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Noob Noobuler wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mosley Harmless wrote:Nerf: The Game. It honestly feels that way sometimes. Sad to see that aircraft are getting nerfed again so soon after those new flight mechanics made them awesome. What we really need is a specialized anti-air weapon so that people can use that instead of swarm launchers and forge guns, and we can get a reasonable flight ceiling back. they need to nerf swarm launchers all the way..i hate dodging swarmers 3 times and have it chase me and hit it.basically it is impossible to avoid swarmers
chaff pods, could do wonders for aircraft. i mean at least a limited supply would be cool |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1900
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:19:00 -
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Ugh...well...thanks for saving me the pain of finding out myself....poor dropships keep getting hit, again, and again, and again.... |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:20:00 -
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Khortez D wrote:Noob Noobuler wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mosley Harmless wrote:Nerf: The Game. It honestly feels that way sometimes. Sad to see that aircraft are getting nerfed again so soon after those new flight mechanics made them awesome. What we really need is a specialized anti-air weapon so that people can use that instead of swarm launchers and forge guns, and we can get a reasonable flight ceiling back. they need to nerf swarm launchers all the way..i hate dodging swarmers 3 times and have it chase me and hit it.basically it is impossible to avoid swarmers chaff pods, could do wonders for aircraft. i mean at least a limited supply would be cool Exactly, some means to decoy the missiles. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:22:00 -
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Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:Tbone322 wrote:This post makes me very nervous because I've heard that you're a really good pilot. I like to fly and consider myself average, but if you're having troubles I'm gonna be completely screwed. Ya Tbone it does not look good This ceiling really made drop ship flying impossible. AV had easy time dealing with 95% of pilots at the end of last build. Forges where the only thing that could get me and they where the bane of my existence but I could ceiling out of there range. Now dropships are forced within forge range at all times. and are limited to full speed flying as there only way to escape AV which is not very effective against good forgers. Really disappointed. Drop ships where rare end of last build me and like 3 others dare to fly them besides people that MCC repped and those that used them for towers but even that happened only once in a great while. so no idea why this ceiling limit was placed to force drop ships under tower height at all times. I need to test it in a towerless map yet but it seems pretty hopeless to me. AND to top it all of they give the Aerial Vehicles Active fuel injector 50 CPU and 625 PG req. There is no fricken dropship that has that fitting ability. CCP you did alot of great things in this build but You just really showed some major hate on dropships hardcore here. I really hope this isn't some kind of attempt at "fixing" the "towership exploit". I never understood the whining about that in the first place, since you can just shoot the bloody things right off, and making dropships useless to counter a minor issue is in no way a solution. I hope that's not what just happened here. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:24:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:Tbone322 wrote:This post makes me very nervous because I've heard that you're a really good pilot. I like to fly and consider myself average, but if you're having troubles I'm gonna be completely screwed. Ya Tbone it does not look good This ceiling really made drop ship flying impossible. AV had easy time dealing with 95% of pilots at the end of last build. Forges where the only thing that could get me and they where the bane of my existence but I could ceiling out of there range. Now dropships are forced within forge range at all times. and are limited to full speed flying as there only way to escape AV which is not very effective against good forgers. Really disappointed. Drop ships where rare end of last build me and like 3 others dare to fly them besides people that MCC repped and those that used them for towers but even that happened only once in a great while. so no idea why this ceiling limit was placed to force drop ships under tower height at all times. I need to test it in a towerless map yet but it seems pretty hopeless to me. AND to top it all of they give the Aerial Vehicles Active fuel injector 50 CPU and 625 PG req. There is no fricken dropship that has that fitting ability. CCP you did alot of great things in this build but You just really showed some major hate on dropships hardcore here. I really hope this isn't some kind of attempt at "fixing" the "towership exploit". I never understood the whining about that in the first place, since you can just shoot the bloody things right off, and making dropships useless to counter a minor issue is in no way a solution. I hope that's not what just happened here. a snipers favorite target.sometimes a forgers favortite XD |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:25:00 -
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I guess I'll just work on the base skills that overlap with dropships and then the AR in hopes that my beloved ships are one day restored.
I flew as much as I could at the end of Precursor despite the handicap and I was going to go right for them this build too, but they sound like an empty SP sinkhole now.
*sigh*
CCP you told me personally that you were committed to making piloting a viable career path.
Why did you do this?
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:27:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I guess I'll just work on the base skills that overlap with dropships and then the AR in hopes that my beloved ships are one day restored. I flew as much as I could at the end of Precursor despite the handicap and I was going to go right for them this build too, but they sound like an empty SP sinkhole now. *sigh* CCP you told me personally that you were committed to making piloting a viable career path. Why did you do this? Obviously this is something we need to provide plenty of feedback on, so it can be fixed. |
nakaya indigene
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
39
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:30:00 -
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CMON GUYS.. the flight mechanics were changed ALOT. not a little.. ALOT.. WHY DO YOU LIE TO OUR FACES.. AGAIN? the flight mechanics WERE very realistic.. now?.. now you can F'ing put ur drop ship sideways and it goes UP... UP.. what? thats right UP.. not sideways.. .UP if you tip the ship forward. it stops in place.. nah man frak gravity.. it hovers in place.. even though all the jets are facing in one direction... it use to fly like a helicopter.. BRING BACK THE OLD FLIGHT MECHANICS.. |
Sin3 DeusNomine
Doomheim
142
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:32:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I guess I'll just work on the base skills that overlap with dropships and then the AR in hopes that my beloved ships are one day restored. I flew as much as I could at the end of Precursor despite the handicap and I was going to go right for them this build too, but they sound like an empty SP sinkhole now. *sigh* CCP you told me personally that you were committed to making piloting a viable career path. Why did you do this?
I was actually able to make out and stay ahead of the game the end of precursor. If you ever road gunner with me you knew why I was able to provide very good positioning with my drop ship and make it impossible for swarms to do anything to me. And would hit the roof when people decided they where all going to try and AV me forcing them being stuck having AV fits against assault rifles. and would come back down after they all felt safe letting my gunners feel safe. and then when enemies had drop ships you could both hit the roof out of AV range and have epic battles always ending in my enemy going down in a burning flame by either going out of bounds or getting turned into a lovely snack by my gunners.
I do not see dropships a viable route this build. The SP you gain of them is inferior to what I can make on the ground killing people even when I give my gunner 40+ kills. They added no other ways to gain SP via spawn unit or dropping people off near objectives. They gave drop ships no good toys this build just nothing fun it seems. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:34:00 -
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nakaya indigene wrote:CMON GUYS.. the flight mechanics were changed ALOT. not a little.. ALOT.. WHY DO YOU LIE TO OUR FACES.. AGAIN? the flight mechanics WERE very realistic.. now?.. now you can F'ing put ur drop ship sideways and it goes UP... UP.. what? thats right UP.. not sideways.. .UP if you tip the ship forward. it stops in place.. nah man frak gravity.. it hovers in place.. even though all the jets are facing in one direction... it use to fly like a helicopter.. BRING BACK THE OLD FLIGHT MECHANICS.. i enjoyed the helicopter feel.it meant to park on something meant you have to know to fly |
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:35:00 -
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I was just getting into Dropships the past few days (went through 10 or 20 of them last night :D), I was even getting pretty good at barrel rolls, but this new build really makes them... not as good. Honestly, a flight ceiling is not the right way to go, I don't care what "issue" they're trying to fix. What are they going to do when Fighters come out?
Anyway, I spent 300k ISK on a couple Vipers today, I don't think I'll be putting any more ISK in them. Tanks, Dropships, what's next? |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
187
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:41:00 -
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Most people that fly do so because they cant help it. This is bad news. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:45:00 -
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nakaya indigene wrote:CMON GUYS.. the flight mechanics were changed ALOT. not a little.. ALOT.. WHY DO YOU LIE TO OUR FACES.. AGAIN? the flight mechanics WERE very realistic.. now?.. now you can F'ing put ur drop ship sideways and it goes UP... UP.. what? thats right UP.. not sideways.. .UP if you tip the ship forward. it stops in place.. nah man frak gravity.. it hovers in place.. even though all the jets are facing in one direction... it use to fly like a helicopter.. BRING BACK THE OLD FLIGHT MECHANICS..
NOOOOOOOO!!!!
First the ceiling, then the continued lack of WP's, and now you have turned them back into bumper cars!?!?
You are dead to me. |
Tbone322
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:35:00 -
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Skihids wrote:nakaya indigene wrote:CMON GUYS.. the flight mechanics were changed ALOT. not a little.. ALOT.. WHY DO YOU LIE TO OUR FACES.. AGAIN? the flight mechanics WERE very realistic.. now?.. now you can F'ing put ur drop ship sideways and it goes UP... UP.. what? thats right UP.. not sideways.. .UP if you tip the ship forward. it stops in place.. nah man frak gravity.. it hovers in place.. even though all the jets are facing in one direction... it use to fly like a helicopter.. BRING BACK THE OLD FLIGHT MECHANICS.. NOOOOOOOO!!!!First the ceiling, then the continued lack of WP's, and now you have turned them back into bumper cars!?!? You are dead to me.
So they dumbed down the flight mechanics again?!? Great I adapted to the old ones for nothing... |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:42:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I was just getting into Dropships the past few days (went through 10 or 20 of them last night :D), I was even getting pretty good at barrel rolls, but this new build really makes them... not as good. Honestly, a flight ceiling is not the right way to go, I don't care what "issue" they're trying to fix. What are they going to do when Fighters come out?
Anyway, I spent 300k ISK on a couple Vipers today, I don't think I'll be putting any more ISK in them. Tanks, Dropships, what's next?
Nothing. Nothing is next. We're out of vehicles. Task were nerfed, dropships were nerfed LAV's and LLV's are currently a joke. They couldn't assault a fly. They're more like jeeps and we should have a different kind of vehicle as an LAV. Back to the point there's no vehicles left. |
Tarralis
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
18
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:45:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I was just getting into Dropships the past few days (went through 10 or 20 of them last night :D), I was even getting pretty good at barrel rolls, but this new build really makes them... not as good. Honestly, a flight ceiling is not the right way to go, I don't care what "issue" they're trying to fix. What are they going to do when Fighters come out?
Anyway, I spent 300k ISK on a couple Vipers today, I don't think I'll be putting any more ISK in them. Tanks, Dropships, what's next? Nothing. Nothing is next. We're out of vehicles. Task were nerfed, dropships were nerfed LAV's and LLV's are currently a joke. They couldn't assault a fly. They're more like jeeps and we should have a different kind of vehicle as an LAV. Back to the point there's no vehicles left. I thought I saw the option to call in a heavy air vehicle? |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:53:00 -
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Tarralis wrote:Tectonious Falcon wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I was just getting into Dropships the past few days (went through 10 or 20 of them last night :D), I was even getting pretty good at barrel rolls, but this new build really makes them... not as good. Honestly, a flight ceiling is not the right way to go, I don't care what "issue" they're trying to fix. What are they going to do when Fighters come out?
Anyway, I spent 300k ISK on a couple Vipers today, I don't think I'll be putting any more ISK in them. Tanks, Dropships, what's next? Nothing. Nothing is next. We're out of vehicles. Task were nerfed, dropships were nerfed LAV's and LLV's are currently a joke. They couldn't assault a fly. They're more like jeeps and we should have a different kind of vehicle as an LAV. Back to the point there's no vehicles left. I thought I saw the option to call in a heavy air vehicle?
But there not in the game yet as far as I know. They're probably going to be released in a later patch. |
nakaya indigene
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
39
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:57:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:Tarralis wrote:Tectonious Falcon wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I was just getting into Dropships the past few days (went through 10 or 20 of them last night :D), I was even getting pretty good at barrel rolls, but this new build really makes them... not as good. Honestly, a flight ceiling is not the right way to go, I don't care what "issue" they're trying to fix. What are they going to do when Fighters come out?
Anyway, I spent 300k ISK on a couple Vipers today, I don't think I'll be putting any more ISK in them. Tanks, Dropships, what's next? Nothing. Nothing is next. We're out of vehicles. Task were nerfed, dropships were nerfed LAV's and LLV's are currently a joke. They couldn't assault a fly. They're more like jeeps and we should have a different kind of vehicle as an LAV. Back to the point there's no vehicles left. I thought I saw the option to call in a heavy air vehicle? But there not in the game yet as far as I know. They're probably going to be released in a later patch.
my ass.. people have been saying that since it left E3.. they just keep breaking vehicles more.. its only going to get worse.. these noobs don't listen to the community.. its like selective hearing. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.03 00:12:00 -
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i can get on 2 of the 3 levels buildings,on one u have to take advantage of the ship momentum and bouncing and the other,u hover bout one inch,i had to call in a lav to flip my dropship once lol |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.03 00:14:00 -
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i do wanna say a viper can take atleast 2 swarmer hits with default equipment bc i been hit so dropships have gotte stronger |
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