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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:11:00 -
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I wonder if there's going to be collateral on contracts for Mercs like there is for other aspects of EVE?
It could in fact mean that if you loose you owe someone a lot of ISK. |
Regis Mark V
91
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:12:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:No I didn't. I heard it's not online anymore? Out survived by MAG. That's ugly... MGO wasn't that great TBH...
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xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:17:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:Tony Calif wrote:No I didn't. I heard it's not online anymore? Out survived by MAG. That's ugly... MGO wasn't that great TBH...
box glitching was OP |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:18:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:No I didn't. I heard it's not online anymore? Out survived by MAG. That's ugly...
Wrong
MGO survived for 4 yrs, got shutdown this year
MAG hasnt been going 4yrs yet and tbh even on MGO last legs it still better than MAG on its last legs |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:19:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Regis Mark V wrote:I said it once and I'll say it again. Teamwork + KDR vs Teamwork + bad players= Teamwork+KDR for the win! Bad players? Do you mean low KDR? what do you mean it makes no sense you cant just say bad player and generalize it bad players, low KDR, it's all the same. Teamwork + KDR will beat bad players with team work and bad KDR with team work.
But no its not
Take MGO for example teamwork + low KDR can and have beaten teamwork + high KDR
Happened all the time in survival |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:21:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:LoL vs T-C that is all ^^^^^^THIS! ALL DAY!
Cant really say that tbh because the T-C side bas basically 2 bad clans to begin with and didnt even try since they had players who just sniped in ther spawn and were useless
That T-C side was the worst side picked for that match |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:28:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Regis Mark V wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:LoL vs T-C that is all ^^^^^^THIS! ALL DAY! Cant really say that tbh because the T-C side bas basically 2 bad clans to begin with and didnt even try since they had players who just sniped in ther spawn and were useless That T-C side was the worst side picked for that match
So having a bunch of circle holders and "nurse nicks " is a bad idea to begin with. If you lack the ability to pew pew chances are your going to get walked all over. This isn't some new age concept. It's been part of shooters for awhile.
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:36:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Regis Mark V wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:LoL vs T-C that is all ^^^^^^THIS! ALL DAY! Cant really say that tbh because the T-C side bas basically 2 bad clans to begin with and didnt even try since they had players who just sniped in ther spawn and were useless That T-C side was the worst side picked for that match So having a bunch of circle holders and "nurse nicks " is a bad idea to begin with. If you lack the ability to pew pew chances are your going to get walked all over. This isn't some new age concept. It's been part of shooters for awhile.
As i remember it
Circle holders vs killers or whatever but the circle holders they picked were the bottom of the barrel with no tactics in any of the matches if i recall against LOL which had ther **** together
T-C would have done better if they didnt show up
T-C didnt try at all so to use it as an example is pointless |
TotalBreakage
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
410
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:39:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I'd call K/D ratio fans more of a tragic figure. They comes from a different school of internet warfare, if you will. They are the best of what "MAG" has to offer, but it just doesn't work in the reality of this game. Take for example Hannibal of Carthage, by far considered the best Hellenistic general of his time. Problem is Hellenistic warfare was hilariously unprepared for the Roman school of war. A Hellenistic general was expected maneuver and delay battle until he held an undeniable advantage. Battle would commence and he would score a victory by inflicting some casualties and getting the other army to route. In Hellenistic warfare retreat and surrender were often allowed and expected, a golden avenue was given to let the other force leave. Terms of peace shortly followed thereafter. This should sound rather familiar as our K/D ration fans believe that kill/death ratios decide the day, they expect one victory after much maneuvering to make their enemy take the golden avenue of retreat, and come terms.
Roman warfare pretty much dictated that it wasn't over till you were no longer a threat. That meant total annihilation or subjugation. Carthage itself was subdued a number of times each time attempting the throw off Roman control. Finally the Romans got pissed enough they said **** it and just burnt all of Carthage to the ground and replaced it with a Roman settlement.
Just giving you all a heads up that you're using a very old style of warfare and it's since been improved on a lot by both ancient military tactics and modern day stuff too. You've all got a lot to learn. . The only problem with this line of reasoning, though, is that it was the Romans who were using the outmoded style of warfare up until the Second Punic War in that they were still using the Hellenistic Phalanx as their primary formation and maneuver style. In the Battle of Cannae, Hannibal used a double envelopment maneuver to use the Roman's own phalanx formation against the Romans in order to pin and destroy an estimated eight Legions of Roman troops by the numerically smaller force that Hannibal employed. Now that take that as the reader will to support their positions on this thread, but the fallout of Cannae effectively destroyed the Roman army as a fighting force at that time, but as mentioned upthread there was no capitalization on this. However, the Roman army changed its warfare doctrines to become more tactically flexible as a result of the Cannae debacle, most notably going to its cohort and century system to allow more maneuvrability and ability to adapt to changing situations. As a result of Cannae several city-states did defect to the side of Carthage. I would point out that Hannibal actually did pull together a racially and culturally diverse set of armies under his command, and he did so by creating his own form of culture. Hannibal united all these different groups in their hatred of the Romans, and a shared motivation like hatred can be a powerful thing under a leader that can properly motivate his men. Other events and factors eventually led to the downfall of Carthage, and Hannibal, though. This can almost be applied either way to your original argument, I just thought I would clairfy some of the history behind it. This.....OP, you dont really know what you're talking about, sorry. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:45:00 -
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bad players trying to justify their terribleness again.
*yawn* |
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Regis Mark V
91
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:00:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Regis Mark V wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:LoL vs T-C that is all ^^^^^^THIS! ALL DAY! Cant really say that tbh because the T-C side bas basically 2 bad clans to begin with and didnt even try since they had players who just sniped in ther spawn and were useless That T-C side was the worst side picked for that match So having a bunch of circle holders and "nurse nicks " is a bad idea to begin with. If you lack the ability to pew pew chances are your going to get walked all over. This isn't some new age concept. It's been part of shooters for awhile. As i remember it Circle holders vs killers or whatever but the circle holders they picked were the bottom of the barrel with no tactics in any of the matches if i recall against LOL which had ther **** together T-C would have done better if they didnt show up T-C didnt try at all so to use it as an example is pointless
As I remember it T-C took the best "circle holders" in the game. As I remember it nighttimes was gonna be the deciding factor for T-C. You see how easy it is to do I remember stuff that way no one knows what the truth is. Or do you think you could've chosen better circle holders for T-C?
Majority of "circle holders" in MAG were bad anyway. The argument was you don't need KDR to win they tried they lost. T-C's lack of KDR is what made them get spawn camped. No number of tactics is going to help a squad if they can't shoot it's just that simple. Same reason with Flock vs 3C sure both sides had killers but the more tactical side won plus 3C had better killers. I've taken part in more MAG clan battles than I can think of to justify this. The teams with better killers and teamwork win every time. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:17:00 -
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Yea but Regis T-C didnt even try
They didnt ask barely anyone and just picked ppl form ther clans, best circle holders lolno tbh had no gameplan or didnt even bother
It was lambs to the slaughter |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:18:00 -
[43] - Quote
Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I'd call K/D ratio fans more of a tragic figure. They comes from a different school of internet warfare, if you will. They are the best of what "MAG" has to offer, but it just doesn't work in the reality of this game. Take for example Hannibal of Carthage, by far considered the best Hellenistic general of his time. Problem is Hellenistic warfare was hilariously unprepared for the Roman school of war. A Hellenistic general was expected maneuver and delay battle until he held an undeniable advantage. Battle would commence and he would score a victory by inflicting some casualties and getting the other army to route. In Hellenistic warfare retreat and surrender were often allowed and expected, a golden avenue was given to let the other force leave. Terms of peace shortly followed thereafter. This should sound rather familiar as our K/D ration fans believe that kill/death ratios decide the day, they expect one victory after much maneuvering to make their enemy take the golden avenue of retreat, and come terms.
Roman warfare pretty much dictated that it wasn't over till you were no longer a threat. That meant total annihilation or subjugation. Carthage itself was subdued a number of times each time attempting the throw off Roman control. Finally the Romans got pissed enough they said **** it and just burnt all of Carthage to the ground and replaced it with a Roman settlement.
Just giving you all a heads up that you're using a very old style of warfare and it's since been improved on a lot by both ancient military tactics and modern day stuff too. You've all got a lot to learn. . The only problem with this line of reasoning, though, is that it was the Romans who were using the outmoded style of warfare up until the Second Punic War in that they were still using the Hellenistic Phalanx as their primary formation and maneuver style. In the Battle of Cannae, Hannibal used a double envelopment maneuver to use the Roman's own phalanx formation against the Romans in order to pin and destroy an estimated eight Legions of Roman troops by the numerically smaller force that Hannibal employed. Now that take that as the reader will to support their positions on this thread, but the fallout of Cannae effectively destroyed the Roman army as a fighting force at that time, but as mentioned upthread there was no capitalization on this. However, the Roman army changed its warfare doctrines to become more tactically flexible as a result of the Cannae debacle, most notably going to its cohort and century system to allow more maneuvrability and ability to adapt to changing situations. As a result of Cannae several city-states did defect to the side of Carthage. I would point out that Hannibal actually did pull together a racially and culturally diverse set of armies under his command, and he did so by creating his own form of culture. Hannibal united all these different groups in their hatred of the Romans, and a shared motivation like hatred can be a powerful thing under a leader that can properly motivate his men. Other events and factors eventually led to the downfall of Carthage, and Hannibal, though. This can almost be applied either way to your original argument, I just thought I would clairfy some of the history behind it.
Beautifully presented. Beautifully reasoned, a pleasure to read and be thereby educated. +1 |
Khortez D
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:20:00 -
[44] - Quote
it's like a secret war here, people who take heart in KD vs people who couldn't care less. wonder who's winning this war ^^ |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:22:00 -
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Khortez D wrote:it's like a secret war here, people who take heart in KD vs people who couldn't care less. wonder who's winning this war ^^
I don't know and I can't bring myself to give a ****.
Can't wait until the rubber hits the road, tho. |
Khortez D
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:29:00 -
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i used to care, nowadays i'm just happy to enjoy the game for what it is. i got enough things to worry about, i can't avoid some things that'll frustrate me in this game, but i can make sure i don't allow small stuff to make me rage
ps: getting killed by a thukker nade is so annoying ;/ |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:48:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Yea but Regis T-C didnt even try
They didnt ask barely anyone and just picked ppl form ther clans, best circle holders lolno tbh had no gameplan or didnt even bother
It was lambs to the slaughter
LoL didn't try either. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:51:00 -
[48] - Quote
xprotoman23 wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Yea but Regis T-C didnt even try
They didnt ask barely anyone and just picked ppl form ther clans, best circle holders lolno tbh had no gameplan or didnt even bother
It was lambs to the slaughter LoL didn't try either.
You didnt have to against tht lot |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:55:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Yea but Regis T-C didnt even try
They didnt ask barely anyone and just picked ppl form ther clans, best circle holders lolno tbh had no gameplan or didnt even bother
It was lambs to the slaughter LoL didn't try either. You didnt have to against tht lot
No BS 3C never practiced for any CB. Strategies were made up during the 20 second respawn into battle. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:06:00 -
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There should have been a message about why not to spawn camp even though the one i have isn't a real life lesson |
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Icedslayer
56
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:14:00 -
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How i seen it in MAG was yes i'am a killer, always on the front-lines ripping the enemy team to shreds, but i never forgot about all those repair guys fixing stuff in the back, or the medics reviving me, so i can continue my slaughter fest they are the unsung hero's of the game, and with out them we would get wrecked a lot faster.
Same will be true in Dust (once they put alot more of the equipment in game), yes ill be killing on the frontlines but it will be those who run a mile to revive me or repair my armor with repair tool that will get my thanks.
Cause if you have a match full of selfish killers your going to lose, same for a match with to much support and not enough killers your probably going to lose, its that right ratio of killers and support players were you will just wreck people.
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Kengfa
138
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:19:00 -
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If your team only has 60 clones, K/DR is unimportant if you aren't playing the objective. Also, not worrying about K/DR usually results in better K/DR. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:48:00 -
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So if I read this correct you got to have a high KDR to be of any use or be able to play as a team. So me and the other 75% of average and poor players might as well pack up and leave the game.
I 'm not the best but I play for fun and don't take it serious, I may be old but I thought the idea was to have fun winning was just a bonus |
Damnit itsThat GuyAgain
5
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:55:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:So if I read this correct you got to have a high KDR to be of any use or be able to play as a team. So me and the other 75% of average and poor players might as well pack up and leave the game.
I 'm not the best but I play for fun and don't take it serious, I may be old but I thought the idea was to have fun winning was just a bonus LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:10:00 -
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Damnit itsThat GuyAgain wrote:fenrir storm wrote:So if I read this correct you got to have a high KDR to be of any use or be able to play as a team. So me and the other 75% of average and poor players might as well pack up and leave the game.
I 'm not the best but I play for fun and don't take it serious, I may be old but I thought the idea was to have fun winning was just a bonus LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to cheer you up |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:12:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Damnit itsThat GuyAgain wrote:fenrir storm wrote:So if I read this correct you got to have a high KDR to be of any use or be able to play as a team. So me and the other 75% of average and poor players might as well pack up and leave the game.
I 'm not the best but I play for fun and don't take it serious, I may be old but I thought the idea was to have fun winning was just a bonus LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! GladI to cheer you up
Think what he's trying to say is that EVE and Dust by extension are taken very seriously. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:17:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Damnit itsThat GuyAgain wrote:fenrir storm wrote:So if I read this correct you got to have a high KDR to be of any use or be able to play as a team. So me and the other 75% of average and poor players might as well pack up and leave the game.
I 'm not the best but I play for fun and don't take it serious, I may be old but I thought the idea was to have fun winning was just a bonus LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! GladI to cheer you up Think what he's trying to say is that EVE and Dust by extension are taken very seriously.
Yes the sarcasm didn't come across very well in the first post, but I thought the second one would have. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:36:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Damnit itsThat GuyAgain wrote:fenrir storm wrote:So if I read this correct you got to have a high KDR to be of any use or be able to play as a team. So me and the other 75% of average and poor players might as well pack up and leave the game.
I 'm not the best but I play for fun and don't take it serious, I may be old but I thought the idea was to have fun winning was just a bonus LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! GladI to cheer you up Think what he's trying to say is that EVE and Dust by extension are taken very seriously. Yes the sarcasm didn't come across very well in the first post, but I thought the second one would have.
i've been drinking, my sarcasm detector is not at its best.
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:40:00 -
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Less spam, more history. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Less spam, more history.
I'm due a new New Eden History thead actually, maybe the great war 2? |
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