Before I go any further I'm not whining or crying, just asking for other peoples opinions. Because it is a closed beta there isn't really going to be a constant stream of new players so most folks playing have trained up for the good suits and weapons and that's cool. I'm not able to use T2 or Proto suits (are we using T1, T2 and T3 for suits?) so I pretty much die constantly.

And yes, I know it's not all about gear but when someone can take me out with a 5 shot burst from a Duvolle AR from 100 yards away there's not much "skill" that's going to save me. So anyone else in that boat, do you just use Militia fits? I'm completely broke all the time from restocking. My issue isn't really damaging the other guy as much as dying from only a couple of shots from them. I use shield extenders, armor plates and reppers since far as I can tell, at least without the hardeners that are coming hopefully in codex, hp is hp so I'm tanking both. But I'm very limited in what I can fit on a type II assault so unless I'm completely missing something I guess I should just go militia fit and call it a day? Unless I totally glossed over some way to survive more than 1 second in a firefight.

Course, the funny thing is I do the exact same thing to people in militia fits, but I'm wondering if at this stage in the game where there are not gonna be many new players is a mid-grade fit just a waste of money?

I use mainly militia fits. Only weapons are standard tier (shotgun and sniper). The sniper also uses a standard assault suit...Head on attacks on proto players fail reliably with my shotgun scout, but flanking or sneaking up from behind kills them...usually get a 1.x - 2.0 KDR per match.

400 sheild and 500 armour? What are you running with?

Type 2 heavy with sheild extenders!

It'll be a scary battlefield next build, when you have ppl rolling with advanced and proto versions of type2 assault and heavy suits.

I dont think the suits an issue here.

I have almost 400 sheild and 500 armor.

Hilarious.

You've got about 3x the HP of my most expensive suit (40k ISK), and you're telling someone that the suit you're in doesn't matter. Toe to toe, I have to basically be three times better than you in order to take you down, so yeah, the suit you're in can definitely be "an issue."

Now, don't get me wrong, the rest of your advice was actually great advice and will help make up for the disparity, but let's be honest here. This game is still set up like an MMO, where grinding your way into "end game" gear still makes a HUGE difference. Skill and planning can still be used to narrow the gap, but the gap is there, and it's substantial.

I just tech to the stuff that i notice kills me the most.

Dude if you cant hit my fat-slow-moving-big-red-target-a$$ and kill me before I kill you, you deserve to be dead. But dont feel bad if I kill you! Not too many people can take me down and thats cos I have a lot of experience in playing any kind of RPG games.

The talk to this point has been leaning toward nerfing type-II. However, I don't think they should touch the type-2 assault as far as shields too much other than a little tweek here and there. We'll be seeing lasers next week and that will have a big impact on the type-of suits people wear into what battle since shield tanked suits will be much more vulnerable in battle. I'd like to see type-II variations in every tier.

I don't want there to be the one size fit situation, I want keeping multiple fittings to matter as much as diversification in skills.

Now, to go off on a tangent.

What I would like to see is a disadvantage to stacking shield extenders that is more than just a signature increase. Quite frankly, I prefer when the enemy knows where I am if I'm nice and tanked so that's not a real disadvantage in my eyes. We're talking about a large amount of HP that comes back rather quickly and it has less of a disadvantage to stacking even more of that HP on top of the already existing largess.

Right now the disadvantage in stacking armor is quite apparent and speed kills in this game - even when the hit detection is fixed, speed will make all the difference. As far a shields, I've been mulling it over and I think rather than a basic stat drop or CPU/PG/ISK cost increase isn't the answer. I think what's in order is a hit box size increase - at least until the shield is depleted.

Make it so the shield extender literally extends the size of the shield.

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What would you say to maybe buffing armor plating then? Right now, one doesnt hurt your speed too much, although it's noticeable if you stack a couple on. Perhaps buff the HP bonus from the armor plating? Maybe add an additional 30-50hp? Not sure what the right answer is, but I agree, the shield extenders are DEF more useful than armor plates.

I'd disagree though, instead of any sort of "nerf" of shield extenders, I'd say maybe buff the armor plates.

Mid-grade is all I use. I don't have proto suits, only use the standard type2. Only one fit with the Duvolle, the rest is either burst or Gek38.

TBH, that gives you pretty even footing, even against all-proto players. The only ppl that you should really fear are the scouts.

edit: My main fit with the GEK costs 60k isk. (my duvolle fit is 90k isk) You should be able to use this type of fit, almost indefinitely.
Of course proto fits aren't sustainable. At 250-300k isk, they're not supposed to be used all the time.

I use proto suits all the time, I don't die that often.

Before I go any further I'm not whining or crying, just asking for other peoples opinions. Because it is a closed beta there isn't really going to be a constant stream of new players so most folks playing have trained up for the good suits and weapons and that's cool. I'm not able to use T2 or Proto suits (are we using T1, T2 and T3 for suits?) so I pretty much die constantly.

And yes, I know it's not all about gear but when someone can take me out with a 5 shot burst from a Duvolle AR from 100 yards away there's not much "skill" that's going to save me. So anyone else in that boat, do you just use Militia fits? I'm completely broke all the time from restocking. My issue isn't really damaging the other guy as much as dying from only a couple of shots from them. I use shield extenders, armor plates and reppers since far as I can tell, at least without the hardeners that are coming hopefully in codex, hp is hp so I'm tanking both. But I'm very limited in what I can fit on a type II assault so unless I'm completely missing something I guess I should just go militia fit and call it a day? Unless I totally glossed over some way to survive more than 1 second in a firefight.

Course, the funny thing is I do the exact same thing to people in militia fits, but I'm wondering if at this stage in the game where there are not gonna be many new players is a mid-grade fit just a waste of money?

TBH using militia gear ups your game. It forces you to be smart and resourceful.

You round a corner, there's a guy in full proto. He starts spraying. You have remote explosives, and a pistol. What would you do? If you were in full proto you would start spraying a loleasymode AR. But instead you go back the way you came, lay down an explosive on each side and bait him into coming for you. Then boom! Goes 200k of proto.

I know when to run and when to fight. Where to position myself for an advantage, and how to move in a gunfight.

This. Learn how to fight using mostly militia gear and if you need to use something decent for an important run, it will feel like god mode.
Using Proto gear regularly so you can chestbeat about your k/d ration is a poor long term strategy.