DUST Search - So is it pretty much Militia or Proto?

Ignatius Crumwald wrote:

The talk to this point has been leaning toward nerfing type-II. However, I don't think they should touch the type-2 assault as far as shields too much other than a little tweek here and there. We'll be seeing lasers next week and that will have a big impact on the type-of suits people wear into what battle since shield tanked suits will be much more vulnerable in battle. I'd like to see type-II variations in every tier.

I don't want there to be the one size fit situation, I want keeping multiple fittings to matter as much as diversification in skills.

Now, to go off on a tangent.

What I would like to see is a disadvantage to stacking shield extenders that is more than just a signature increase. Quite frankly, I prefer when the enemy knows where I am if I'm nice and tanked so that's not a real disadvantage in my eyes. We're talking about a large amount of HP that comes back rather quickly and it has less of a disadvantage to stacking even more of that HP on top of the already existing largess.

Right now the disadvantage in stacking armor is quite apparent and speed kills in this game - even when the hit detection is fixed, speed will make all the difference. As far a shields, I've been mulling it over and I think rather than a basic stat drop or CPU/PG/ISK cost increase isn't the answer. I think what's in order is a hit box size increase - at least until the shield is depleted.

Make it so the shield extender literally extends the size of the shield.


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mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:56:00 - [1] - Quote Mid-grade is all I use. I don't have proto suits, only use the standard type2. Only one fit with the Duvolle, the rest is either burst or Gek38. TBH, that gives you pretty even footing, even against all-proto players. The only ppl that you should really fear are the scouts. edit: My main fit with the GEK costs 60k isk. (my duvolle fit is 90k isk) You should be able to use this type of fit, almost indefinitely. Of course proto fits aren't sustainable. At 250-300k isk, they're not supposed to be used all the time.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote Tarn Adari wrote: I use mainly militia fits. Only weapons are standard tier (shotgun and sniper). The sniper also uses a standard assault suit...Head on attacks on proto players fail reliably with my shotgun scout, but flanking or sneaking up from behind kills them...usually get a 1.x - 2.0 KDR per match. agreed. You can get by, with only occasionally using higher end gear. I used ONLY militia fits, for a few weeks. Banked like 18mil isk. Found that I still made a profit (albeit smaller one) when using only my 55-60k isk fit. Even now, I started using my 90k isk fit, for the hell of it since we're getting reset soon, and after about 5 straight days of ONLY using 90k isk fit....I've still got 15mil isk.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:09:00 - [3] - Quote DILLIGAD wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: 400 sheild and 500 armour? What are you running with? Type 2 heavy with sheild extenders! It'll be a scary battlefield next build, when you have ppl rolling with advanced and proto versions of type2 assault and heavy suits.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:52:00 - [4] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The talk to this point has been leaning toward nerfing type-II. However, I don't think they should touch the type-2 assault as far as shields too much other than a little tweek here and there. We'll be seeing lasers next week and that will have a big impact on the type-of suits people wear into what battle since shield tanked suits will be much more vulnerable in battle. I'd like to see type-II variations in every tier. I don't want there to be the one size fit situation, I want keeping multiple fittings to matter as much as diversification in skills. Now, to go off on a tangent. What I would like to see is a disadvantage to stacking shield extenders that is more than just a signature increase. Quite frankly, I prefer when the enemy knows where I am if I'm nice and tanked so that's not a real disadvantage in my eyes. We're talking about a large amount of HP that comes back rather quickly and it has less of a disadvantage to stacking even more of that HP on top of the already existing largess. Right now the disadvantage in stacking armor is quite apparent and speed kills in this game - even when the hit detection is fixed, speed will make all the difference. As far a shields, I've been mulling it over and I think rather than a basic stat drop or CPU/PG/ISK cost increase isn't the answer. I think what's in order is a hit box size increase - at least until the shield is depleted. Make it so the shield extender literally extends the size of the shield. What would you say to maybe buffing armor plating then? Right now, one doesnt hurt your speed too much, although it's noticeable if you stack a couple on. Perhaps buff the HP bonus from the armor plating? Maybe add an additional 30-50hp? Not sure what the right answer is, but I agree, the shield extenders are DEF more useful than armor plates. I'd disagree though, instead of any sort of "nerf" of shield extenders, I'd say maybe buff the armor plates.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.28 22:27:00 - [5] - Quote I can't disagree. Maybe more armor isn't the answer. Perhaps speeding up the armor reppers. Maybe doubling every armror repper's recovery rate?
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.28 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote: mikegunnz wrote: Mid-grade is all I use. I don't have proto suits, only use the standard type2. Only one fit with the Duvolle, the rest is either burst or Gek38. TBH, that gives you pretty even footing, even against all-proto players. The only ppl that you should really fear are the scouts. edit: My main fit with the GEK costs 60k isk. (my duvolle fit is 90k isk) You should be able to use this type of fit, almost indefinitely. Of course proto fits aren't sustainable. At 250-300k isk, they're not supposed to be used all the time. I use proto suits all the time, I don't die that often. If you can use proto/complex fits all the time, and can sustain it, good for you. But it'd be tough for most. If you have a $300k isk, you die once, and you'll prob just break even. Die twice, you're losin' money.