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DTOracle
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.27 02:46:00 -
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Jariel Manton wrote:Interesting... if that is indeed how it works. Either way that is an interesting point, even though being able to have a terrible K/D and still winning is nothing to really be proud of.
Pride? LOL, the ISK is all I need. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.09.27 03:21:00 -
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Silly vets and silly ISK-nerds.
It's not about simply Zerg rushing nor is it simply about K/D R. It's about conquering the enemy. Plain and simple. There will always be a way to do so.
Look at past wars where people had smaller numbers but actually won or fought surprisingly well.
While you guys storm the battlefield with a crap load of soldiers or focus on strictly offensive tactics my corporation's mercs will be communicating and planning on how to take you down.
Oh the enemy is running around in tanks? Shock-Troopers with Swarm Launchers.
Oh your crew is known for rushing the field? We place sniper rifles on the strategic points and close you in to the point where you're nothing but easy picking targets.
Your corp has the best snipers in the known Universe? Recon and Infiltration teams are a go.
Oh so your corporation is known for their K/D R? Underhanded tactics and preemptive strategies will be of the topic.
I don't care what you guys say. If your leaders don't command smart, you have the highest chance of losing. Backed up with 500+ ISK or known for your skill as killers.
Can't believe people are debating this. Lol. Guess that just mean there are a lot of naive Mercs out there that my corp will either make into tacticians or crush under their feet. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.09.27 03:46:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Silly vets and silly ISK-nerds.
It's not about simply Zerg rushing nor is it simply about K/D R. It's about conquering the enemy. Plain and simple. There will always be a way to do so.
Look at past wars where people had smaller numbers but actually won or fought surprisingly well.
While you guys storm the battlefield with a crap load of soldiers or focus on strictly offensive tactics my corporation's mercs will be communicating and planning on how to take you down.
Oh the enemy is running around in tanks? Shock-Troopers with Swarm Launchers.
Oh your crew is known for rushing the field? We place sniper rifles on the strategic points and close you in to the point where you're nothing but easy picking targets.
Your corp has the best snipers in the known Universe? Recon and Infiltration teams are a go.
Oh so your corporation is known for their K/D R? Underhanded tactics and preemptive strategies will be of the topic.
I don't care what you guys say. If your leaders don't command smart, you have the highest chance of losing. Backed up with 500+ ISK or known for your skill as killers.
Can't believe people are debating this. Lol. Guess that just mean there are a lot of naive Mercs out there that my corp will either make into tacticians or crush under their feet.
Oh, your corp thinks it's better than mine? Spies for the win. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.09.27 03:51:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Silly vets and silly ISK-nerds.
It's not about simply Zerg rushing nor is it simply about K/D R. It's about conquering the enemy. Plain and simple. There will always be a way to do so.
Look at past wars where people had smaller numbers but actually won or fought surprisingly well.
While you guys storm the battlefield with a crap load of soldiers or focus on strictly offensive tactics my corporation's mercs will be communicating and planning on how to take you down.
Oh the enemy is running around in tanks? Shock-Troopers with Swarm Launchers.
Oh your crew is known for rushing the field? We place sniper rifles on the strategic points and close you in to the point where you're nothing but easy picking targets.
Your corp has the best snipers in the known Universe? Recon and Infiltration teams are a go.
Oh so your corporation is known for their K/D R? Underhanded tactics and preemptive strategies will be of the topic.
I don't care what you guys say. If your leaders don't command smart, you have the highest chance of losing. Backed up with 500+ ISK or known for your skill as killers.
Can't believe people are debating this. Lol. Guess that just mean there are a lot of naive Mercs out there that my corp will either make into tacticians or crush under their feet.
too bad that isn't going to be how it works. the power of money will beat the tar out of any corp not backed by a true corp. fielding unlimited top tier min maxed tanks everyone is vomiting out is going to be impossible to "tactician" out of. get your kitten rockets and all the stuff you can try to take them out. but if you blow one up another one will spawn. you obviously don't know the power of isk and real backers. when the dreadnaughts come and strips the planet of your presence that will be the true test.
you can talk about kill death all you want, it's not going to matter if you don't get a real corp behind you. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.09.27 04:01:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Silly vets and silly ISK-nerds.
It's not about simply Zerg rushing nor is it simply about K/D R. It's about conquering the enemy. Plain and simple. There will always be a way to do so.
Look at past wars where people had smaller numbers but actually won or fought surprisingly well.
While you guys storm the battlefield with a crap load of soldiers or focus on strictly offensive tactics my corporation's mercs will be communicating and planning on how to take you down.
Oh the enemy is running around in tanks? Shock-Troopers with Swarm Launchers.
Oh your crew is known for rushing the field? We place sniper rifles on the strategic points and close you in to the point where you're nothing but easy picking targets.
Your corp has the best snipers in the known Universe? Recon and Infiltration teams are a go.
Oh so your corporation is known for their K/D R? Underhanded tactics and preemptive strategies will be of the topic.
I don't care what you guys say. If your leaders don't command smart, you have the highest chance of losing. Backed up with 500+ ISK or known for your skill as killers.
Can't believe people are debating this. Lol. Guess that just mean there are a lot of naive Mercs out there that my corp will either make into tacticians or crush under their feet. too bad that isn't going to be how it works. the power of money will beat the tar out of any corp not backed by a true corp. fielding unlimited top tier min maxed tanks everyone is vomiting out is going to be impossible to "tactician" out of. get your kitten rockets and all the stuff you can try to take them out. but if you blow one up another one will spawn. you obviously don't know the power of isk and real backers. when the dreadnaughts come and strips the planet of your presence that will be the true test. you can talk about kill death all you want, it's not going to matter if you don't get a real corp behind you.
>.> Didn't I just say Kill/Death doesn't matter? See. You're one of those silly-ISK nerds. When it comes to smaller factions vs larger factions strategy has and can help the smaller faction win.
And besides it would be pretty stupid for a Corp, no matter how large, to continuously feed money to back up IN-EFFICIENT players. Wtf spends money on a merc corp that's going to die a lot every time, and waste money (and let's be honest having a noob with militia/cheaper equips against a skilled fighter with prototype equips will almost always have the skilled fighter winning) trying to swarm? And like I said if they're just "swarming" there will be ways of dealing with them because of their inflexibility.
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Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.09.27 04:14:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:
>.> Didn't I just say Kill/Death doesn't matter? See. You're one of those silly-ISK nerds. When it comes to smaller factions vs larger factions strategy has and can help the smaller faction win.
And besides it would be pretty stupid for a Corp, no matter how large, to continuously feed money to back up IN-EFFICIENT players. Wtf spends money on a merc corp that's going to die a lot every time, and waste money (and let's be honest having a noob with militia/cheaper equips against a skilled fighter with prototype equips will almost always have the skilled fighter winning) trying to swarm? And like I said if they're just "swarming" there will be ways of dealing with them because of their inflexibility.
larger factions never help out smaller factions unless they are in the same alliance. no one helps anyone unless they are in the same boat. also inefficient players usually won't get the jobs. they won't join a corp other than the NPC corp. people who work together will form and bond into a corp that will more than likely be lead by an EVE player.
also as for the skill+high end equipment= success, if you have an entire team vs kittens of that yes, they will be winning. but if there is only 1 or 2. they might lose depending on the kittens that join in. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.09.27 04:29:00 -
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>.>
People who work well together might just form their own corp with the aid of EVE players as advisors. We can't really tell how that would go right now. It's very open. Some would work as private armies. Others would work as the hired mercs they are. Others would have specific purposes.
And yeah that's the point. Have a team full of efficient, skilled players with efficient equips do the dirty work.
Strategy is still a big key point here that many people are ignoring. Swarming implies exactly what swarming is: Using a continuous force. That means there is little thought behind it other than get in, do that mission, and get out. And again mercs who only know how to kill aren't good except in missions that requires direct battles.
Tacticians are going to be very valuable Mercs when the time comes. Just you watch. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.27 04:38:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:Jariel Manton wrote:Interesting... if that is indeed how it works. Either way that is an interesting point, even though being able to have a terrible K/D and still winning is nothing to really be proud of. The goons are proud of their accomplishments, they use mass to overrun everyone else. they dont care about kdr they care about territroy and is easy to be proud over own and controlling territroy rather than a high kdr.
same way the ppl that also beat them regularly while fighting outnumbered feel as well. they are proud of that. they know in nullsec numbers advantage means ur prob gonna win, they dont care tho they still fight and have fun winning at times outnumbered even tho in the long run they know they will lose their space.
at the end of the day its a video game, a virtual game with virtual space ppl play how they want to enjoy themselves im sure those same ppl that the CFC outnumber and blob them to death all have more fun in the PvP aspect of the game than the players on the CFC.
I mean if i was losing fights still while having a 3:1 an up advantage id question how good we really are tbh but thats just me....i come from a different background, a competitive one, so for me i'll always take quality over quantity i wont lower standards just to fill ranks ill take the hard route and build up a team that meets our standards so at least i know after dust is dead and gone i wont have to kick 90% of my clan for the next FPS game we adopt cuz they only got in to make up numbers in the 1st place...not kool and not fair to the recruits.
To each his own tho. |
Loss Tovas
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.09.27 13:48:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote: Errr, no. The problem is that you don't understand how Dust has to work. You can't just field 5 times the clones for a match, because that would make a match take 5 times as long. That's not something they're going to do.
Oh I understand perfectly. Fielding 5 times the clones in my scenario would only make the match last as long as the match would have lasted all things being equal... Math is your friend. |
Sees-Too-Much
332
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Posted - 2012.09.27 15:21:00 -
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I'm curious as to why Ray thinks that only his corp will use strategery and everyone else will simply be running around shooting in random directions. I'm guessing he hasn't seen the level of organization large EVE corps have. |
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fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.09.27 15:30:00 -
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ChargersGirlLuvsDP wrote:Jariel Manton wrote:Interesting... if that is indeed how it works. Either way that is an interesting point, even though being able to have a terrible K/D and still winning is nothing to really be proud of. KDR isn't everything, so what you have 9 028 468 767 372:1 KDR here's your cookie and complimentary ***** pump. If you can't win a match, is anyone going to care what your KDR is aside from you and your mommy? Are you going to get contracts? No, WLR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KDR.
Said it for me |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.09.27 16:31:00 -
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Sees-Too-Much wrote:I'm curious as to why Ray thinks that only his corp will use strategery and everyone else will simply be running around shooting in random directions. I'm guessing he hasn't seen the level of organization large EVE corps have.
Because that's the way people make it seem like they're going to fight here in this Dust thread.
All I'm hearing is "ISK will make me win every time by flooding the battlefield!"
Or
"K/D R is the bestest!"
I even said that Tacticians will be the most fought over guys here...Never said no one would use strategy. |
INSPECTOR CALAHAN
0
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Posted - 2012.09.27 16:46:00 -
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Who the"HELL" has been into my wild turkey, I'ma gonna get my gun and GETTER DONE... |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.09.27 20:05:00 -
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INSPECTOR CALAHAN wrote:Who the"HELL" has been into my wild turkey, I'ma gonna get my gun and GETTER DONE...
Wait what? |
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