DUST Search - Dust 514 reality check: Kill me easily in 4 different ways.

Ieukoplast wrote:

1. Lag - It seems 9/10 times I die, is because of lag. I unload clip after clip into you, only a few bullets make it through. I die nearly instantly with what seems like only 1/16th a second of shots fired at me.

2. Pay 2 win - Nope, I am not talking just AUR, but ISK pay2win as well. You kill me simply because you have the better, more powerful and accurate weapon than I. Not because of skill.

3. Freakish adoption of controls - Somehow you managed to overcome the horrible aiming of Dust 514, and was able to keep your aim on me 100% of the time. Either by mouse aiming, PS Move aiming, or just because you have the ability to adapt easily to bad controls on the PS controller. So either a hardware advantage, or a freak-of-nature advantage.

4. Super armor/shields - You played the game for 2,000 hours more than I, therefore you have proto level shields and armor, making it impossible for me to make even the slightest dent no matter how little lag and how much aiming skill I have.

So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well.

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Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.09.16 10:20:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Lag - It seems 9/10 times I die, is because of lag. I unload clip after clip into you, only a few bullets make it through. I die nearly instantly with what seems like only 1/16th a second of shots fired at me. 2. Pay 2 win - Nope, I am not talking just AUR, but ISK pay2win as well. You kill me simply because you have the better, more powerful and accurate weapon than I. Not because of skill. 3. Freakish adoption of controls - Somehow you managed to overcome the horrible aiming of Dust 514, and was able to keep your aim on me 100% of the time. Either by mouse aiming, PS Move aiming, or just because you have the ability to adapt easily to bad controls on the PS controller. So either a hardware advantage, or a freak-of-nature advantage. 4. Super armor/shields - You played the game for 2,000 hours more than I, therefore you have proto level shields and armor, making it impossible for me to make even the slightest dent no matter how little lag and how much aiming skill I have. So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well.
Scrote Schroder The Southern Legion 34	Posted - 2012.09.16 10:31:00 - [2] - Quote Welcome to Dust leukoplast, I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield!
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.09.16 10:41:00 - [3] - Quote Scrote Schroder wrote: Welcome to Dust leukoplast, I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield! lol, good sport, +1 like to your post!
Antonius Dacinci Bragian Order Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2012.09.16 10:47:00 - [4] - Quote Oh Leukoplast was his name.... when i read that I thought you were calling him some primordial munchkin. As for how to solve your issues first aim infront of the enemy, all weapons are projectiles, experienced players know how to adapt. Second they actually also have under the hood skill boosts as well but think of it this way, if your actually getting kills one kill on them = the value of 30 kills on you, don't fret about the balance soo much because this is just a scrapped together matchmaker to prove concept. Third I don't really know what to say it plays like a normal third person shooter, for us mouse users well whatever it's not like it gives a amazing advantage it's more preference. Finally they actually can't get very high at all, the best way to deal with those people is work as a team, sure 1 on 1 your going to fail every time, but 5 on 1 and your likely to cause some havoc. So yeah as i said they cost more, to win you stop caring about all these balance issues and learn to outmaneuver them, tanks, turrets, dropships, chainguns, whatever floats your boat. Stop swimming upstream like the rest of the CoD
Scrote Schroder The Southern Legion 34	Posted - 2012.09.16 10:47:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah short answer to your post is.... War isn't fair. Your going to find it tough, but keep at it. Your player skill, and character skill can only increase and soon you will be harvesting noobs like a pro. I'm not sure where you are at exactly, but if your finding it hard try hanging around team mates. Stay at the rear of the action and help pick off guys your team mates are engaging. Lag effects everyone, but your point about gear is valid. If you don't have that edge your going to need to rely on team mates support and covering fire. Or ride shotgun in a tank and use the turret, may I recommend a gentleman named Lurchasaurus. His tank brings all the boys to the yard.
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.09.16 11:07:00 - [6] - Quote Thanks for the tips/support. +like to you all! Simply is frustrating, that's all.
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.09.16 11:13:00 - [7] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Thanks for the tips/support. +like to you all! Simply is frustrating, that's all. Getting better at something should be challenging. Not frustrating. Putting your console on a static IP and port forwarding the game helps a lot with the lag.
Shadows Maker Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 129	Posted - 2012.09.16 11:27:00 - [8] - Quote better latency > skills When i play im my region server i destroy and when i join my friends in there server i got pawned simple as that. don't give me the skilled player and adaption BS its all about the internet connection and how close you are to the server.
Scrote Schroder The Southern Legion 34	Posted - 2012.09.16 11:29:00 - [9] - Quote Mail me in-game if you like Ieukoplast . I would be happy to offer what little guidance and advice i can.
Jak Teston Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 99	Posted - 2012.09.16 11:45:00 - [10] - Quote Two things: 1. Yes, latency is king. If I can arrange for it I like to play in the not-so-busy hours of the daily schedule. That improves gameplay dramatically. 2. I've resorted to playing militia-gear exclusively. That comes at a severe drop in performance but at least I know why I got the kills that I get (due to my incredible 4 mil SP of course ). It's just more fun to drop the guy with the Duvolle 1-v-1 when your gear costs an exact 0 ISK.

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.16 13:03:00 - [11] - Quote Lag, frame rate drops, and all sorts of other bad stuff constantly plagues me. They need sorting before release. I'm hoping 90% will be fixed moving to TQ.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.09.16 13:15:00 - [12] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: 1. Lag - It seems 9/10 times I die, is because of lag. I unload clip after clip into you, only a few bullets make it through. I die nearly instantly with what seems like only 1/16th a second of shots fired at me. 2. Pay 2 win - Nope, I am not talking just AUR, but ISK pay2win as well. You kill me simply because you have the better, more powerful and accurate weapon than I. Not because of skill. 3. Freakish adoption of controls - Somehow you managed to overcome the horrible aiming of Dust 514, and was able to keep your aim on me 100% of the time. Either by mouse aiming, PS Move aiming, or just because you have the ability to adapt easily to bad controls on the PS controller. So either a hardware advantage, or a freak-of-nature advantage. 4. Super armor/shields - You played the game for 2,000 hours more than I, therefore you have proto level shields and armor, making it impossible for me to make even the slightest dent no matter how little lag and how much aiming skill I have. So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well. why face them head on then? why don't kill them from behind?
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.09.16 13:16:00 - [13] - Quote Right nw we have an order of magnitude more players than the server was designed for. Server lag should go away iththe move.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.09.16 13:23:00 - [14] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well. I thought I was somewhat of a good player But you have opened my eyes its not me doing any of the killing its my super shiny gear that did all the work. I bow and recognize superiority to all those too poor to afford better gear because the aiming is to bad do to these wack controls and can't seem to kill my super armored scout suit. I'm sorry if I killed you, I didn't realize that you were experiencing bad lag at the same time my game was completely smooth and not moving at 30 frames a second. My apologies
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.09.16 13:27:00 - [15] - Quote Dude honestly the skinweaver assault suit with malitita Drop suit modules and a militia locust grenade , a assault submachine gun and a assault rifle are all you need to be good
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.09.16 13:59:00 - [16] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: 1. Lag - It seems 9/10 times I die, is because of lag. I unload clip after clip into you, only a few bullets make it through. I die nearly instantly with what seems like only 1/16th a second of shots fired at me. 2. Pay 2 win - Nope, I am not talking just AUR, but ISK pay2win as well. You kill me simply because you have the better, more powerful and accurate weapon than I. Not because of skill. 3. Freakish adoption of controls - Somehow you managed to overcome the horrible aiming of Dust 514, and was able to keep your aim on me 100% of the time. Either by mouse aiming, PS Move aiming, or just because you have the ability to adapt easily to bad controls on the PS controller. So either a hardware advantage, or a freak-of-nature advantage. 4. Super armor/shields - You played the game for 2,000 hours more than I, therefore you have proto level shields and armor, making it impossible for me to make even the slightest dent no matter how little lag and how much aiming skill I have. So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well. most of what you say is wrong.... 1) everybody has lag 2) i have less than 4Mil SP and still have a 4 KDR 3) not our problem 4) same as 2) i can kill proto guys with my T2 and my way lower skills. Get good
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.09.16 14:12:00 - [17] - Quote i guess i'm a freak cause i still play with militia gear other than a GEK and Light Damage modifier!!! I"M A FREAK of NATURE! oh, i also forgot to mention i'm a BEAST WITH IT!
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.16 14:26:00 - [18] - Quote Scrote Schroder wrote: War isn't fair. This is not war, this is a VG. Unfair in a VG is called cheating, and it' should not be allowed. I restrain myself from spawn-camping because it's miserable and unfair. Also statistical/gear disadvantages are very bad in FPS, and in any PVP experience in general, and here they are deciding too much.
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.09.16 14:37:00 - [19] - Quote Templar Two wrote: Scrote Schroder wrote: War isn't fair. This is not war, this is a VG. Unfair in a VG is called cheating, and it' should not be allowed. I restrain myself from spawn-camping because it's miserable and unfair. Also statistical/gear disadvantages are very bad in FPS, and in any PVP experience in general, and here they are deciding too much. Then how about you only use militia stuff, don't use sprint and just wander around the map as the other team is being spawn trapped.
ReGnUm ReSuRgAM DEI 33	Posted - 2012.09.16 14:39:00 - [20] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: 1. Lag - It seems 9/10 times I die, is because of lag. I unload clip after clip into you, only a few bullets make it through. I die nearly instantly with what seems like only 1/16th a second of shots fired at me. 2. Pay 2 win - Nope, I am not talking just AUR, but ISK pay2win as well. You kill me simply because you have the better, more powerful and accurate weapon than I. Not because of skill. 3. Freakish adoption of controls - Somehow you managed to overcome the horrible aiming of Dust 514, and was able to keep your aim on me 100% of the time. Either by mouse aiming, PS Move aiming, or just because you have the ability to adapt easily to bad controls on the PS controller. So either a hardware advantage, or a freak-of-nature advantage. 4. Super armor/shields - You played the game for 2,000 hours more than I, therefore you have proto level shields and armor, making it impossible for me to make even the slightest dent no matter how little lag and how much aiming skill I have. So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well. My GB Trophies and MLG points would say differently

Prince Ombra Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.09.16 14:40:00 - [21] - Quote Refusing to spawn camp won't do anything since not everyone will do as you do. The best way to take care of it would be for the devs to fix the spawning in some way.
Obama DAT Doomheim 389	Posted - 2012.09.16 14:52:00 - [22] - Quote Where are the servers for this game located?
GAGAH-BOY BRAZIL 66	Posted - 2012.09.16 15:07:00 - [23] - Quote This is an MMO . A soldier lvl 1 will want to kill another lvl 50?
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.16 15:08:00 - [24] - Quote Prince Ombra wrote: Refusing to spawn camp won't do anything since not everyone will do as you do. The best way to take care of it would be for the devs to fix the spawning in some way. Oh buy we asked that. We asked that for months and we gave even ideas. We suggested free spawn, we suggested shields for spawns e DU...we suggested that and much more. Did CCP do something? No, they opted for random spawns around fixed points (CRU) which is the same system used by FPS in which spawn-camping is the norm. GAGAH-BOY BRAZIL wrote: This is an MMO . Do not you see a guy in a MMO wanting to kill another lvl 1 to lvl 50. You mistake MMO with RPG. Levels stats belong to RPG but in FPS player's skill's are king not in-game stats. In a RPG no Lv 1 player would attempt to challenge a Lv 50 but in a FPS a Lv1 player can still kick a Lv 50 a** if he is good, if his reflexes and thinking is better.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.16 15:11:00 - [25] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: 1. Lag - It seems 9/10 times I die, is because of lag. I unload clip after clip into you, only a few bullets make it through. I die nearly instantly with what seems like only 1/16th a second of shots fired at me. 2. Pay 2 win - Nope, I am not talking just AUR, but ISK pay2win as well. You kill me simply because you have the better, more powerful and accurate weapon than I. Not because of skill. 3. Freakish adoption of controls - Somehow you managed to overcome the horrible aiming of Dust 514, and was able to keep your aim on me 100% of the time. Either by mouse aiming, PS Move aiming, or just because you have the ability to adapt easily to bad controls on the PS controller. So either a hardware advantage, or a freak-of-nature advantage. 4. Super armor/shields - You played the game for 2,000 hours more than I, therefore you have proto level shields and armor, making it impossible for me to make even the slightest dent no matter how little lag and how much aiming skill I have. So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well. 1-4 applies to everybody. You just sound like every other whiner who complains when they die. "oh, it was lag!" "oh, he's using a proto suit!" (which hardly give much of an advantage anymore) Actually, now that I think about it, 2 and 4 are the same thing! Paying for the better/ supposedly more powerful gear. So really, it's just 3 things you're complaining about. Ok, controls aren't great, but we ALL have to deal with the same controls. ADAPT! Although I'll give you credit on your last paragraph....you're right. Half the players that think they're good, are just nub farmers.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.09.16 15:17:00 - [26] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: 1. Lag - It seems 9/10 times I die, is because of lag. I unload clip after clip into you, only a few bullets make it through. I die nearly instantly with what seems like only 1/16th a second of shots fired at me. 2. Pay 2 win - Nope, I am not talking just AUR, but ISK pay2win as well. You kill me simply because you have the better, more powerful and accurate weapon than I. Not because of skill. 3. Freakish adoption of controls - Somehow you managed to overcome the horrible aiming of Dust 514, and was able to keep your aim on me 100% of the time. Either by mouse aiming, PS Move aiming, or just because you have the ability to adapt easily to bad controls on the PS controller. So either a hardware advantage, or a freak-of-nature advantage. 4. Super armor/shields - You played the game for 2,000 hours more than I, therefore you have proto level shields and armor, making it impossible for me to make even the slightest dent no matter how little lag and how much aiming skill I have. So before you think you are all great at this game, consider the previous 4 variables. Most likely, you are only an average player with an artificial advantage in one way or another. Real players use militia gear, suffer from bad lag, and somehow manage to do fairly well. 1) Its mainly server lag and affects us all. 2) Most run with a majority of Militia gear, but part of the the game IS managing your resources. Everyone gets about the same amount of ISK per battle, so nobody has an advantage over you with this. Learn to spend it where it makes a difference. 3) Practice. Everyone has the same hardware, and mouse turn speed has been capped at the level of the DS3. The Move is crap at the moment, so that is no advantage. 4) Yes, there is a MMO aspect to the game and it does take about 4-5 mil SP to buff out a specific class. However it doesn't take a huge amount of time to accumulate those points. Any SP beyond that makes a character more versatile, not more deadly. More points after that allow you to train other classes which increases your fun. Run with the pack until you buff your first role. 5) Learn to have fun even when you aren't winning. The average KDR for a match is 1* by definition, which means there will always be folks who get less than one. Every match has a winner AND a loser, and you won't always be on the winning side. Measure yourself against your previous performance, not against the next guy. The game isn't finished and different weapon systems aren't balanced yet. *Technically it can be less than one due to the ability to suicide
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.16 15:19:00 - [27] - Quote mikegunnz wrote: Ok, controls aren't great, but we ALL have to deal with the same controls. ADAPT! When a FPS has poor controls I don't play it. No way I am going to play Dust 514 if the controls stay this poor: I am not a masochist. When bad design ruins the experience I leave.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.16 15:34:00 - [28] - Quote Templar Two wrote: mikegunnz wrote: Ok, controls aren't great, but we ALL have to deal with the same controls. ADAPT! When a FPS has poor controls I don't play it. No way I am going to play Dust 514 if the controls stay this poor: I am not a masochist. When bad design ruins the experience I leave. What don't you like about the controls? I agree, they're not great... but I don't think they're THAT bad. What specifically don't you like? I personally can say: That moving the crosshairs isn't smooth. (because of that tiny "deadzone", when you start to move the stick) Also, the R2 button, isn't responsive when trying to tap to quick switch to secondary weapon. Thirdly, IMO, the melee should require a hard "click" of R3. As it is now, I sometimes accidentally melee when trying to aim in the middle of a gun fight. This is because of the pressure sensitive controls. Currently it only requires a "partial press", it'd be nice if it needed the full "click" to melee.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.16 17:30:00 - [29] - Quote ^^^ -Controls are unresponsive; input lag is particularly terrible. Killzone 2 had a certain level of input lag to voluntarily give weapons a certain feel/weight BUT here it's simply poor. -Aim sensitivity is poor as well. -Vehicles controls are just wrong. We asked CCP to change them but it din't happen. -The overall layout is poor and not streamlined. We have 4 buttons that gives us access to menus, which is a waste. Now this is just the controls but everything is exasperated by the poor shooting mechanics, poor camera handling, poor animations, poor hit detection, etc...


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