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STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:09:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP
MofaceKilla Algintal Core Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:15:00 - [2] - Quote As much as I find this hilarious to read immediately after a tank nerf, I actually kind of agree with you. It wasn't the strength of tanks that I hated, was the amount of them showing up in battles at once compared to the amount of players per game. It was just ridiculous and in my opinion they tweaked the wrong thing by nerfing them.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:20:00 - [3] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP Let's be fair. Tanks were nerfed, but only AFTER they had been buffed. AV was buffed, but only AFTER it had been nerfed. Of course you'll complain, you're a tank user. However, I do have to say, tanks have been a bit over-nerfed. I'm sure CCP will rebalance soon enough. (hopefully not too much, as they should def NOT go back to how they were)
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:25:00 - [4] - Quote MofaceKilla wrote: As much as I find this hilarious to read immediately after a tank nerf, I actually kind of agree with you. It wasn't the strength of tanks that I hated, was the amount of them showing up in battles at once compared to the amount of players per game. It was just ridiculous and in my opinion they tweaked the wrong thing by nerfing them. Ya know I said the same thing after the other tank nerfs when people were still crying. People are complaining when everything isn't in place. CCP has a plan and when they bring other things into the game a tank will really be useless. Either way I will just go AR now. I really enjoy what STB can do with or without tanks. I used my tank to back up my squad. I'm sure you have all been in rounds when I only get 6 kills with a tank. It is simply because I like to win. I used my tank in a way that benefits the entire squad. If we didn't have a letter I would roll on over and help my squad take that letter. Never would I sit in my spawn and try to snipe other tanks or infantry. I do not play in that style of play. I used it to defend or help my team out. I mean either way I don't care how many people post in here saying anything about STB being a tank corp, or we will be nothing without tanks. Once we can man a 16 man platoon what we do on the field will show people we are here to win. I'm not saying we will be unbeatable or being egotistical(i probably butchered that word). I am simply saying that we will be a worthy opponent for most if not all corps. I look forward to being able to play a 16 vs 16 or whatever vs whatever. Only then will people really see what STB possesses. Thanks for reading and thanks for commenting in any negative way to keep this post on the top. Killa wasn't being negative you or at least I wasn't trying to.
Dane Stark Golgotha Group 178	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:26:00 - [5] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP I'm sorry - a squad has to work to kill you (and only you!?) A tank - REALISTICALLY - needs AN ENTIRE SQUAD to run it - if you want to get technical - quit the bit chin! It's just a test - really!
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:27:00 - [6] - Quote I'm only doing what every other player in the beta did. I didn't see anyone calling them out. From most of the posts I read, 80% were backing them up. Only seems right that I of all players get hated on my threads. It's ok though I like seeing that I have ruined everyones day. LOL
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:27:00 - [7] - Quote These are efforts to test. If they don't work, please provide constructive feedback. And yes, this is not just a single change - these are a series of changes meant to balance. They will get there, but we need to know how they actually work in the game, not just on paper. Try them for more than a match or two. Learn tactics. When they work, great, when they don't, provide ways to fix. Don't just complain. I'll offer cheese.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:28:00 - [8] - Quote This is without a doubt THE most glorious time to be a part of DUST 514 ^_^
Dane Stark Golgotha Group 178	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:29:00 - [9] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: I'm only doing what every other player in the beta did. I didn't see anyone calling them out. From most of the posts I read, 80% were backing them up. Only seems right that I of all players get hated on my threads. It's ok though I like seeing that I have ruined everyones day. LOL Didn't ruin my day - care less about your tank problems - I have other issues to beta test
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:30:00 - [10] - Quote Dane Stark wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP I'm sorry - a squad has to work to kill you (and only you!?) A tank - REALISTICALLY - needs AN ENTIRE SQUAD to run it - if you want to get technical - quit the bit chin! It's just a test - really! What weapon did you buy that costs 2 mil?

Dane Stark Golgotha Group 178	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:30:00 - [11] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Dane Stark wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP I'm sorry - a squad has to work to kill you (and only you!?) A tank - REALISTICALLY - needs AN ENTIRE SQUAD to run it - if you want to get technical - quit the bit chin! It's just a test - really! What weapon did you buy that costs 2 mil? Then get a squad who knows what they are doing together and run it. I want well trained tank squads.
Dane Stark Golgotha Group 178	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote Dane Stark wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Dane Stark wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP I'm sorry - a squad has to work to kill you (and only you!?) A tank - REALISTICALLY - needs AN ENTIRE SQUAD to run it - if you want to get technical - quit the bit chin! It's just a test - really! What weapon did you buy that costs 2 mil? Then get a squad who knows what they are doing together and run it. I want well trained tank squads. I hate lonewolf tanks that run 35/0
Kengfa 138	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:31:00 - [13] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP Bitchy, bitchy, bitchy. Sounds like you can't use tanks properly. You just know "SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT DON'T WORRY I HAVE ARMOR."
Dane Stark Golgotha Group 178	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:32:00 - [14] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Dane Stark wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP I'm sorry - a squad has to work to kill you (and only you!?) A tank - REALISTICALLY - needs AN ENTIRE SQUAD to run it - if you want to get technical - quit the bit chin! It's just a test - really! What weapon did you buy that costs 2 mil? Oh yeah, my skills are just as expensive as yours - as well as the suits and equipment I have to buy. Ratio to Ratio - you have saved a lot more money than I have. (and it's not cause I sux - CCP is trying to make it even - but every one will bit ch when they get "wronged")
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:32:00 - [15] - Quote Dane Stark wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: I'm only doing what every other player in the beta did. I didn't see anyone calling them out. From most of the posts I read, 80% were backing them up. Only seems right that I of all players get hated on my threads. It's ok though I like seeing that I have ruined everyones day. LOL Didn't ruin my day - care less about your tank problems - I have other issues to beta test If you read that right.... I didn't say my tank problem ruined your day. I said I ruined your day.... If you don't care about my problems why are you even posting?
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:33:00 - [16] - Quote I honestly sympathize a little with you Ted. As an AV guy myself, I only ever asked for a bit of a buff when it came to the AV stuff, not a tank nerf. It seems silly to penalize the tanks. They're friggin tanks! They're suppose to be monsters, that's the point. The previous strength of the tank forced squads to work together, WHICH IS THE WHOLE DAMN POINT OF THE GAME. A fellow TCD member and I teamed up against a few of your guys' tanks in a more recent match (a few nights ago) and we stood our own against them, we just had to think a little more about it than the usual "charge head first into tank, die" method. Ps. You didn't butcher egotistical.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:34:00 - [17] - Quote If they're undefeated in the first place, its going to be a problem later on.
Dane Stark Golgotha Group 178	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:34:00 - [18] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Dane Stark wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: I'm only doing what every other player in the beta did. I didn't see anyone calling them out. From most of the posts I read, 80% were backing them up. Only seems right that I of all players get hated on my threads. It's ok though I like seeing that I have ruined everyones day. LOL Didn't ruin my day - care less about your tank problems - I have other issues to beta test If you read that right.... I didn't say my tank problem ruined your day. I said I ruined your day.... If you don't care about my problems why are you even posting? Because I AM SO TIRED of hearing about everyone's tank problems when there are so many more aspects of the game than need attention!
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:34:00 - [19] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more...
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:35:00 - [20] - Quote ahh the trolls have arrived... I can smile to see how mad I made them all....

Kengfa 138	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:37:00 - [21] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: ahh the trolls have arrived... I can smile to see how mad I made them all.... That doesn't make sense at all. I don't think you've grasped the concept of what being a troll is yet.
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:41:00 - [22] - Quote Kengfa wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: ahh the trolls have arrived... I can smile to see how mad I made them all.... That doesn't make sense at all. I don't think you've grasped the concept of what being a troll is yet. I was definately refering to you...
ANDJEH 78	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:41:00 - [23] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: ahh the trolls have arrived... I can smile to see how mad I made them all.... Mad enough to make you ragequit...
Cinder Integ Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 23	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:41:00 - [24] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: These are efforts to test. If they don't work, please provide constructive feedback. And yes, this is not just a single change - these are a series of changes meant to balance. They will get there, but we need to know how they actually work in the game, not just on paper. Try them for more than a match or two. Learn tactics. When they work, great, when they don't, provide ways to fix. Don't just complain. I'll offer cheese. The majority of the current player base is not mature enough to provide constructive feedback, or use tactics. Asking them not to complain is a waist of your precious time. What isn't a waist of time is finding the people who don't waist time complaining, and spend time winning. When corp battles come out, corps will form and have core groups of players who will be forced to think in terms of countering instead of posting on forums. Shameless plug: If your one who will be ready to start countering instead of complaining when the next build hits, let me know via in-game and we'll talk.
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:44:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more... Then they made nano hives and supply depots... I assume you havent used those yet..... I mean if thats your arguement I am willing to pay for my ammo if it makes it better
Kengfa 138	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:46:00 - [26] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Kengfa wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: ahh the trolls have arrived... I can smile to see how mad I made them all.... That doesn't make sense at all. I don't think you've grasped the concept of what being a troll is yet. I was definately refering to you... Yeah, I know. But you still don't know what a troll is.
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:47:00 - [27] - Quote Kengfa wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Kengfa wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: ahh the trolls have arrived... I can smile to see how mad I made them all.... That doesn't make sense at all. I don't think you've grasped the concept of what being a troll is yet. I was definately refering to you... Yeah, I know. But you still don't know what a troll is. Ok mighty kengfa.... its a forum post not a hate on ted post... unless you wanna comment on what i said there isnt a point to really post anything at all.... make your own post about defining a troll if you like i could care less
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:48:00 - [28] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more... Then they made nano hives and supply depots... I assume you havent used those yet..... I mean if thats your arguement I am willing to pay for my ammo if it makes it better You're completely right, I totally forgot that nano hives and depots moved with you and wrapped you in a huge HP buffer. Damn man, can you point me to these patch notes, I'm missing all sorts of stuff >_<
Kengfa 138	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:48:00 - [29] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Kengfa wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Kengfa wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: ahh the trolls have arrived... I can smile to see how mad I made them all.... That doesn't make sense at all. I don't think you've grasped the concept of what being a troll is yet. I was definately refering to you... Yeah, I know. But you still don't know what a troll is. Ok mighty kengfa.... its a forum post not a hate on ted post... unless you wanna comment on what i said there isnt a point to really post anything at all.... make your own post about defining a troll if you like i could care less Which is exactly why you are an idiot. "oh yes I know what that is.(Lol no I don't but I don't care so I'm just gonna say it anyways)"
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:55:00 - [30] - Quote Again, separate driver and gunner positions. The main gun can be operated completely independently of driving the tank, allowing it to be more maneuverable and it's main gun to be more effective, and it would now require no less than two people to operate an HAV, just as it takes more than one person to kill one. Everyone wins.

STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:55:00 - [31] - Quote Can I get a black ball feature for my forum post...
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:57:00 - [32] - Quote I mean all these people can keep coming with their fancy comebacks for me.... I will just go infantry suits me just fine I enjoy gaming whether it be in a tank or on foot or in the air it's only a game
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:59:00 - [33] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: I mean all these people can keep coming with their fancy comebacks for me.... I will just go infantry suits me just fine I enjoy gaming whether it be in a tank or on foot or in the air it's only a game Its just the internet these days. Everybody wants to be a troll, even when it doesn't make sense to be.
Tosh Tearg BetaMax. 53	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:01:00 - [34] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Okay, people cry about tanks. You raise the price of tanks to cut back on tanks. People cry some more about tanks. You make them not as effective while making AV more effective. Now my question is when do the prices on AV go up being its better? When will the prices of tanks go back down being they are worse? I mean I don't have to use a tank to have fun in this game. As well I am not going to be buying things that aren't effective. Such as a rail gun that costs 400k and only does 120 splash. I mean grenades do more splash damage than a missile turret! I mean really A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? That makes not one bit of since to me. Really stop giving in to all the babies. I lose tanks to AV squads and they have to work together but yeah it's a squad. They are supposed to work together! Might as well just take the tank out of the game. My grenades are more effective now. SMH at CCP I must be doing something wrong but when did railgun turrets fire missiles? While I do agree they might have gun too overboard on the tank nerd, the weapons on the tanks were too OP. The main turrets splash was way too much. Being behind cover in an assault suit a railgun hit 10 feet away should not be 1 shooting a suit. At the same time the small missile turrets would be often useless and take 3 hits before the infantry would die. I think the resists should go back on the tanks, but keep the splash on the raigun low. It should be a high damage pinpoint accuracy weapon. Maybe re-examine the missiles to find out why they seem be so many duds amongst them. Another part that needs fixing is the way swarms work. They should have a constant and predict table flightpath. It is quite odd to have the missiles sometimes go straight out my launcher before joining and turning towards the target, and at otherwise immediately turn and start tracking. Maybe set them up so that instead of the many missiles leaving at once, they split after a certain time. I am very tired of having my missiles hit everything but my target even though I have a clear line of sight to my target. (If the A/V weapons work well there's no need to nerf tanks and no need to buff the damage of the weapons.)
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:06:00 - [35] - Quote They don't I guess to make things a little more easier for everyone(I really mean you as your the only one who questioned it right) to understand I should have put an extra sentence in there. Sorry if you couldn't figure it out
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:08:00 - [36] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more... Then they made nano hives and supply depots... I assume you havent used those yet..... I mean if thats your arguement I am willing to pay for my ammo if it makes it better Ted, would you support limited ammo counts for HAVs that could only be replenished at supply depots, and separate positions for the driver and main gunner?
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:13:00 - [37] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more... Then they made nano hives and supply depots... I assume you havent used those yet..... I mean if thats your arguement I am willing to pay for my ammo if it makes it better Ted, would you support limited ammo counts for HAVs that could only be replenished at supply depots, and separate positions for the driver and main gunner? I would support buying ammo I mean being able to resupply isn't really going to fix the infinite ammo problem in my eyes. I mean you get low and just pull up to a supply point and hey I have all the ammo I want again. Now in my opinion if I had to supply myself with my own ammo I wouldn't just "waste" ammo shooting at everything I think I could kill. I would take my shots and make them count. As far as my main gun no way I would trust a random blue dot to fight another tank for me. I had to pay for the tank I couldn't put it at risk with someone else shooting at other tanks. I mean they can't compensate for my movement meaning they may miss while i'm trying to meneuver on my target. I personally think thats a bad idea. Any thoughts on my opinion?
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:16:00 - [38] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: I would support buying ammo I mean being able to resupply isn't really going to fix the infinite ammo problem in my eyes. I mean you get low and just pull up to a supply point and hey I have all the ammo I want again. Now in my opinion if I had to supply myself with my own ammo I wouldn't just "waste" ammo shooting at everything I think I could kill. I would take my shots and make them count. As far as my main gun no way I would trust a random blue dot to fight another tank for me. I had to pay for the tank I couldn't put it at risk with someone else shooting at other tanks. I mean they can't compensate for my movement meaning they may miss while i'm trying to meneuver on my target. I personally think thats a bad idea. Any thoughts on my opinion? Why should Dropships and LAVs have to rely on teamwork and coordination but tanks don't? If there's no one on comms to gun for me, I don't call in my dropship, simple as that.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:20:00 - [39] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more... Then they made nano hives and supply depots... I assume you havent used those yet..... I mean if thats your arguement I am willing to pay for my ammo if it makes it better Ted, would you support limited ammo counts for HAVs that could only be replenished at supply depots, and separate positions for the driver and main gunner? I would support buying ammo I mean being able to resupply isn't really going to fix the infinite ammo problem in my eyes. I mean you get low and just pull up to a supply point and hey I have all the ammo I want again. Now in my opinion if I had to supply myself with my own ammo I wouldn't just "waste" ammo shooting at everything I think I could kill. I would take my shots and make them count. As far as my main gun no way I would trust a random blue dot to fight another tank for me. I had to pay for the tank I couldn't put it at risk with someone else shooting at other tanks. I mean they can't compensate for my movement meaning they may miss while i'm trying to meneuver on my target. I personally think thats a bad idea. Any thoughts on my opinion? Well, I know what you're saying about random blue dots, but what about another STB member? Also, I somewhat doubt they're going to go with making you purchase ammo because they're trying to make sure this game is less complex than EVE Online. Besides, having to use supply depots leaves you open to ambush by a crafty AV team, which further balances the playing field without further nerfing HAVs by making you have to keep dumping ISK into ammo for them.
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:21:00 - [40] - Quote Well with the new nerf they kind of do. Bring a solo tank out and see how long it lasts. Use a squad to help fend off the infantry and see how long they last. Right?

STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:23:00 - [41] - Quote I still say I would want to be in control of my main turret. If I am not in control of that turret then I would support it if tank prices went down.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:24:00 - [42] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Well with the new nerf they kind of do. Bring a solo tank out and see how long it lasts. Use a squad to help fend off the infantry and see how long they last. Right? And there's some credence to this point as well. As an example, established doctrine within the US Army is to never use tanks without infantry support, which is part of why you almost always see Abrams platoons operating with Bradley support.
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:25:00 - [43] - Quote It is too risky as I mentioned before regardless who is in the tank gunning. If I turn left while they are shooting they may miss the target. I guess it would go both ways. I wouldn't use tanks if I couldn't shoot people I don't think. I do fly dropships... well i did until today its a waste of isk lol
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:26:00 - [44] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Well with the new nerf they kind of do. Bring a solo tank out and see how long it lasts. Use a squad to help fend off the infantry and see how long they last. Right? And there's some credence to this point as well. As an example, established doctrine within the US Army is to never use tanks without infantry support, which is part of why you almost always see Abrams platoons operating with Bradley support. somebody with some sense finally emerges from the shadows
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:27:00 - [45] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: It is too risky as I mentioned before regardless who is in the tank gunning. If I turn left while they are shooting they may miss the target. I guess it would go both ways. I wouldn't use tanks if I couldn't shoot people I don't think. I do fly dropships... well i did until today its a waste of isk lol What I wanted to highlight though is that an HAV should require the same level of teamwork to go steamrolling through infantry as the infantry would need to kill it. If you and your gunner are on audio with each other you can coordinate your attacks to minimize vulnerability. Also, who says you have to be the driver? They've been considering squad-locking of vehicles, and if they implement that, you could let someone else drive while you gun.
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:32:00 - [46] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: It is too risky as I mentioned before regardless who is in the tank gunning. If I turn left while they are shooting they may miss the target. I guess it would go both ways. I wouldn't use tanks if I couldn't shoot people I don't think. I do fly dropships... well i did until today its a waste of isk lol What I wanted to highlight though is that an HAV should require the same level of teamwork to go steamrolling through infantry as the infantry would need to kill it. If you and your gunner are on audio with each other you can coordinate your attacks to minimize vulnerability. Also, who says you have to be the driver? They've been considering squad-locking of vehicles, and if they implement that, you could let someone else drive while you gun. I guess it would be an interesting aspect to try.... I still think it would generate negative feedback kind of like how this nerf did.... It would be worth a try I wouldn't be the one testing it out though. Definately not at 1.5+ mil a pop....
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:33:00 - [47] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: STB-TedNugent EV wrote: It is too risky as I mentioned before regardless who is in the tank gunning. If I turn left while they are shooting they may miss the target. I guess it would go both ways. I wouldn't use tanks if I couldn't shoot people I don't think. I do fly dropships... well i did until today its a waste of isk lol What I wanted to highlight though is that an HAV should require the same level of teamwork to go steamrolling through infantry as the infantry would need to kill it. If you and your gunner are on audio with each other you can coordinate your attacks to minimize vulnerability. Also, who says you have to be the driver? They've been considering squad-locking of vehicles, and if they implement that, you could let someone else drive while you gun. I guess it would be an interesting aspect to try.... I still think it would generate negative feedback kind of like how this nerf did.... It would be worth a try I wouldn't be the one testing it out though. Definately not at 1.5+ mil a pop.... Well, if they would do this, I think they should put HAVs back up to E3 build stats. With AV being buffed back up, all they'd need to do after that point was give a boost to Forge Gun range, and the balance would be pretty solid.
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:38:00 - [48] - Quote The first build for tanks I liked it the most. Not necessarily the prices but how the tank was itself was fantastic. I'm still not 100% with you on giving up my main gun at least until I can have a full platoon of STB so I at least know who is gunning in my tank


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