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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:55:00 -
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Again, separate driver and gunner positions. The main gun can be operated completely independently of driving the tank, allowing it to be more maneuverable and it's main gun to be more effective, and it would now require no less than two people to operate an HAV, just as it takes more than one person to kill one. Everyone wins. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:59:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote:I mean all these people can keep coming with their fancy comebacks for me.... I will just go infantry suits me just fine I enjoy gaming whether it be in a tank or on foot or in the air it's only a game
Its just the internet these days. Everybody wants to be a troll, even when it doesn't make sense to be. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:08:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:STB-TedNugent EV wrote:A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more... Then they made nano hives and supply depots... I assume you havent used those yet..... I mean if thats your arguement I am willing to pay for my ammo if it makes it better
Ted, would you support limited ammo counts for HAVs that could only be replenished at supply depots, and separate positions for the driver and main gunner? |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:20:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB-TedNugent EV wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:STB-TedNugent EV wrote:A FREAKIN MISSILE THAT DOES LESS SPLASH THAN A GRENADE? I wasn't aware that grenades had excellent range with infinite ammo, damn I really need to read these patch notes more... Then they made nano hives and supply depots... I assume you havent used those yet..... I mean if thats your arguement I am willing to pay for my ammo if it makes it better Ted, would you support limited ammo counts for HAVs that could only be replenished at supply depots, and separate positions for the driver and main gunner? I would support buying ammo I mean being able to resupply isn't really going to fix the infinite ammo problem in my eyes. I mean you get low and just pull up to a supply point and hey I have all the ammo I want again. Now in my opinion if I had to supply myself with my own ammo I wouldn't just "waste" ammo shooting at everything I think I could kill. I would take my shots and make them count. As far as my main gun no way I would trust a random blue dot to fight another tank for me. I had to pay for the tank I couldn't put it at risk with someone else shooting at other tanks. I mean they can't compensate for my movement meaning they may miss while i'm trying to meneuver on my target. I personally think thats a bad idea. Any thoughts on my opinion?
Well, I know what you're saying about random blue dots, but what about another STB member? Also, I somewhat doubt they're going to go with making you purchase ammo because they're trying to make sure this game is less complex than EVE Online. Besides, having to use supply depots leaves you open to ambush by a crafty AV team, which further balances the playing field without further nerfing HAVs by making you have to keep dumping ISK into ammo for them. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:24:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote:Well with the new nerf they kind of do. Bring a solo tank out and see how long it lasts. Use a squad to help fend off the infantry and see how long they last. Right?
And there's some credence to this point as well. As an example, established doctrine within the US Army is to never use tanks without infantry support, which is part of why you almost always see Abrams platoons operating with Bradley support. |
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:27:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote:It is too risky as I mentioned before regardless who is in the tank gunning. If I turn left while they are shooting they may miss the target. I guess it would go both ways. I wouldn't use tanks if I couldn't shoot people I don't think. I do fly dropships... well i did until today its a waste of isk lol
What I wanted to highlight though is that an HAV should require the same level of teamwork to go steamrolling through infantry as the infantry would need to kill it. If you and your gunner are on audio with each other you can coordinate your attacks to minimize vulnerability. Also, who says you have to be the driver? They've been considering squad-locking of vehicles, and if they implement that, you could let someone else drive while you gun. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:33:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB-TedNugent EV wrote:It is too risky as I mentioned before regardless who is in the tank gunning. If I turn left while they are shooting they may miss the target. I guess it would go both ways. I wouldn't use tanks if I couldn't shoot people I don't think. I do fly dropships... well i did until today its a waste of isk lol What I wanted to highlight though is that an HAV should require the same level of teamwork to go steamrolling through infantry as the infantry would need to kill it. If you and your gunner are on audio with each other you can coordinate your attacks to minimize vulnerability. Also, who says you have to be the driver? They've been considering squad-locking of vehicles, and if they implement that, you could let someone else drive while you gun. I guess it would be an interesting aspect to try.... I still think it would generate negative feedback kind of like how this nerf did.... It would be worth a try I wouldn't be the one testing it out though. Definately not at 1.5+ mil a pop....
Well, if they would do this, I think they should put HAVs back up to E3 build stats. With AV being buffed back up, all they'd need to do after that point was give a boost to Forge Gun range, and the balance would be pretty solid. |
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