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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:29:00 -
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Some players are bragging about having private talks with dev(s) about game mechanics and even going so far as to brag about being able to influence these on an IRC channel.
one, I don't think using IRC for something that influences everybody is appropriate, and CCP really should put an end to it, and while doing so, release all chatlogs from sessions between devs and players. These forums are the official channel for communicating, and by allowing opinionated, and severely biased pricks to influence devs without input from players with opposing views is dangerous. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:38:00 -
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You are spouting nonsense. Should we ban grabbing lunch with the boss at work next? The amount of communication is about as influential as saying hi to a Dev at fanfest. People who get their ideas out there are networking, not participating in some secret club. |
Captain-Awesome
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:38:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Some players are bragging about having private talks with dev(s) about game mechanics and even going so far as to brag about being able to influence these on an IRC channel.
one, I don't think using IRC for something that influences everybody is appropriate, and CCP really should put an end to it, and while doing so, release all chatlogs from sessions between devs and players. These forums are the official channel for communicating, and by allowing opinionated, and severely biased pricks to influence devs without input from players with opposing views is dangerous.
Silence troll :p nobody in IRC talks like that, we do like we do here, pass information around that's already available. |
Grit Breather
BetaMax.
660
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:46:00 -
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I do believe you're mistaking your role as a beta tester with that of the Dust Senior Designer. CCP also have in-house meetings about the game and I'm sure they get advice and ideas from spouces and family. Should those be taboo? By all means, send CCP employees for jail. How dare they communicate with others who are not the forums.
And on another note, you are most welcome to join us on IRC. We mostly harrass each other and make up imaginary RP crap. We also gossip and call each other gay. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:49:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:I do believe you're mistaking your role as a beta tester with that of the Dust Senior Designer. CCP also have in-house meetings about the game and I'm sure they get advice and ideas from spouces and family. Should those be taboo? By all means, send CCP employees for jail. How dare they communicate with others who are not the forums.
And on another note, you are most welcome to join us on IRC. We mostly harrass each other and make up imaginary RP crap. We also gossip and call each other gay.
Who are you calling gay nub? |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:49:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Grit Breather wrote:I do believe you're mistaking your role as a beta tester with that of the Dust Senior Designer. CCP also have in-house meetings about the game and I'm sure they get advice and ideas from spouces and family. Should those be taboo? By all means, send CCP employees for jail. How dare they communicate with others who are not the forums.
And on another note, you are most welcome to join us on IRC. We mostly harrass each other and make up imaginary RP crap. We also gossip and call each other gay. Who are you calling gay nub?
you, ya scrub. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:50:00 -
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I agree with the OP, forums should be the main source of info, special tidbits for the cool kids on IRC should stop. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:54:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:I agree with the OP, forums should be the main source of info, special tidbits for the cool kids on IRC should stop.
L2RL devs are real people who like talking to their fans. Nothing on IRC is official so you already have exactly what you are asking for. |
Naturi Riclenore
BetaMax.
120
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:54:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:I do believe you're mistaking your role as a beta tester with that of the Dust Senior Designer. CCP also have in-house meetings about the game and I'm sure they get advice and ideas from spouces and family. Should those be taboo? By all means, send CCP employees for jail. How dare they communicate with others who are not the forums.
And on another note, you are most welcome to join us on IRC. We mostly harrass each other and make up imaginary RP crap. We also gossip and call each other gay.
We do none of the sort there.. it is strictly business ALL the time. We sit around and talk the CCP all day and night
really, they release information at Gaming Events, Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Gaming Websites, Blogs, Forums, Podcasts.... So why is IRC so bad? Again, anyone is welcome to join. It's just another way to get feedback. it's not like this is 1492 or something.... |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:56:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Grit Breather wrote:I do believe you're mistaking your role as a beta tester with that of the Dust Senior Designer. CCP also have in-house meetings about the game and I'm sure they get advice and ideas from spouces and family. Should those be taboo? By all means, send CCP employees for jail. How dare they communicate with others who are not the forums.
And on another note, you are most welcome to join us on IRC. We mostly harrass each other and make up imaginary RP crap. We also gossip and call each other gay. Who are you calling gay nub? you, ya scrub.
15 yard interference penalty for the royal pita |
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Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:38:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:You are spouting nonsense. Should we ban grabbing lunch with the boss at work next? The amount of communication is about as influential as saying hi to a Dev at fanfest. People who get their ideas out there are networking, not participating in some secret club.
This is essentially incorrect, but since Noc hangs out in IRC all day I suppose that's to be expected. Saying "hi" to a developer at Fanfest isn't equivalent to directly communicating issues about balance to developers all day.
The IRC channel at the very least should be set up by CCP, not by community members, and direct chat logs should be transcribed to the forums at least as a downloadable resource. The inherent bias in the current system is causing us headaches to this day. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:41:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:You are spouting nonsense. Should we ban grabbing lunch with the boss at work next? The amount of communication is about as influential as saying hi to a Dev at fanfest. People who get their ideas out there are networking, not participating in some secret club. This is essentially incorrect, but since Noc hangs out in IRC all day I suppose that's to be expected. Saying "hi" to a developer at Fanfest isn't equivalent to directly communicating issues about balance to developers all day. The IRC channel at the very least should be set up by CCP, not by community members, and direct chat logs should be transcribed to the forums at least as a downloadable resource. The inherent bias in the current system is causing us headaches to this day.
I don't use Twitter or facebook and accept I don't hear the things said there first. What makes this so different? Zuck is far less likable than Grid. |
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GM Unicorn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:42:00 -
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The IRC channel is a public channel where everyone can join, as pointed out in this post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22699&find=unread . Some memebers of CCP are in this channel but nothing secret or special takes place in it and if something official is said, there is always a post in the forum that documents it. I'm in that channel as well and I can assure you the following things: -There is no such a thing like IRC-users or not-IRC-users for CCP. We don't value opinions in different ways. -CCP has a really marginal presence in the channel. If something is posted, you'll find it in the weekly update. - The main channels are the forum and the we everything that is important is always reported there. -The channel trend is more or less a "chat with friends". People talk about DUST 514, EVE but also about everything else. -The chat is public and everyone is more than welcome to join. |
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Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:43:00 -
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I don't understand how CCP can claim that the IRC is a public resource that they personally authenticate but leave primary administrative conduct in the hands of potentially biased community members, rather than finding a system to at the very least provide oversight on the actions of any administrators for it. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:50:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:I agree with the OP, forums should be the main source of info, special tidbits for the cool kids on IRC should stop. L2RL devs are real people who like talking to their fans. Nothing on IRC is official so you already have exactly what you are asking for.
Yet the few dev "friends" seem to be passing on a lot of information, and Iron even have gone as far as boasting that he convinced a dev about some mechanics at some point. It may have been one of the other IRC users and I don't recall the details, but I do recall it came to pass, at the detriment of Tank drivers yet again. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:51:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:I don't understand how CCP can claim that the IRC is a public resource that they personally authenticate but leave primary administrative conduct in the hands of potentially biased community members, rather than finding a system to at the very least provide oversight on the actions of any administrators for it.
CmdrWang requested +v. He told you your questions were rude twice before you were muted temporarily. Stop blaming Grid and the IRC. We moved on and don't care anymore, you'd still get a chance to speak again in a similar situation which is phenomenally not biased. So please stop whining about a non-issue. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:53:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:You are spouting nonsense. Should we ban grabbing lunch with the boss at work next? The amount of communication is about as influential as saying hi to a Dev at fanfest. People who get their ideas out there are networking, not participating in some secret club. This is essentially incorrect, but since Noc hangs out in IRC all day I suppose that's to be expected. Saying "hi" to a developer at Fanfest isn't equivalent to directly communicating issues about balance to developers all day. The IRC channel at the very least should be set up by CCP, not by community members, and direct chat logs should be transcribed to the forums at least as a downloadable resource. The inherent bias in the current system is causing us headaches to this day. I don't use Twitter or facebook and accept I don't hear the things said there first. What makes this so different? Zuck is far less likable than Grid.
But the Twits and Facepalms are at least more or less official, and as far as I know not used for actual discussions. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:54:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:I agree with the OP, forums should be the main source of info, special tidbits for the cool kids on IRC should stop. L2RL devs are real people who like talking to their fans. Nothing on IRC is official so you already have exactly what you are asking for. Yet the few dev "friends" seem to be passing on a lot of information, and Iron even have gone as far as boasting that he convinced a dev about some mechanics at some point. It may have been one of the other IRC users and I don't recall the details, but I do recall it came to pass, at the detriment of Tank drivers yet again.
Not sure what you are talking about. I doubt it has anything to do with IRC as opposed to "hey what are your thoughts on [link]?" and he got a response. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:56:00 -
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GM Unicorn wrote:The IRC channel is a public channel where everyone can join, as pointed out in this post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22699&find=unread . Some memebers of CCP are in this channel but nothing secret or special takes place in it and if something official is said, there is always a post in the forum that documents it. I'm in that channel as well and I can assure you the following things: -There is no such a thing like IRC-users or not-IRC-users for CCP. We don't value opinions in different ways. -CCP has a really marginal presence in the channel. If something is posted, you'll find it in the weekly update. - The main channels are the forum and the we everything that is important is always reported there. -The channel trend is more or less a "chat with friends". People talk about DUST 514, EVE but also about everything else. -The chat is public and everyone is more than welcome to join.
I am just stunned that known anti-vehicle players repeatedly are able to announce additional tank hypernerfs without anything being said on the forums, without tank users being able to tell CCP and Devs that further Nerfs are at least to my knowledge unneeded. Yet they happen, and I dread what the "coming heavy handed tank nerf" Iron is rambling about this time are all about. |
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GM Unicorn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:01:00 -
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Long story short: the IRC channel is nothing secret or private. You are more that welcome to join and read what's going on. I'll keep an eye on this tread. As soon as turns into a massive flame, I'll lock it in order to avoid casualties ;) |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:04:00 -
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GM Unicorn wrote:Long story short: the IRC channel is nothing secret or private. You are more that welcome to join and read what's going on. I'll keep an eye on this tread. As soon as turns into a massive flame, I'll lock it in order to avoid casualties ;)
You are just a biased IRC user. Your opinion is no good here |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:04:00 -
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GM Unicorn wrote:Long story short: the IRC channel is nothing secret or private. You are more that welcome to join and read what's going on. I'll keep an eye on this tread. As soon as turns into a massive flame, I'll lock it in order to avoid casualties ;)
GM vs QA.
I'll raise my bet to 1 million ISK on the Unicorn |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:05:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:I agree with the OP, forums should be the main source of info, special tidbits for the cool kids on IRC should stop. L2RL devs are real people who like talking to their fans. Nothing on IRC is official so you already have exactly what you are asking for. Yet the few dev "friends" seem to be passing on a lot of information, and Iron even have gone as far as boasting that he convinced a dev about some mechanics at some point. It may have been one of the other IRC users and I don't recall the details, but I do recall it came to pass, at the detriment of Tank drivers yet again.
Whats wrong if people use IRC to give the devs their opinions and feedback. Just like these forums irc is an important component in addressing any issues with the game; its a public, easy, and direct way of communication and it allows people to direct some of the devs to questions and issues posted on the forums as well. Even if Iron was boasting about how he convinced a dev to tweak curtain mechanics, the devs probably wouldn't have done it unless he made a good point, I don't see anything wrong with that. Why don't you go on and irc and chat with the devs if your really this pissed about it. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:06:00 -
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GM Unicorn wrote:Long story short: the IRC channel is nothing secret or private. You are more that welcome to join and read what's going on. I'll keep an eye on this tread. As soon as turns into a massive flame, I'll lock it in order to avoid casualties ;)
If it is official, and not everybody are able to attend these sessions due to timezones, work etc. please consider releasing the logs. If it is "official" there really is nothing to hide, right? |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:07:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Whats wrong if people use IRC to give the devs their opinions and feedback. Just like these forums irc is an important component in addressing any issues with the game;
What is wrong is that there are no LOG for other people to see, this forum does at least provide that. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:10:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Whats wrong if people use IRC to give the devs their opinions and feedback. Just like these forums irc is an important component in addressing any issues with the game; What is wrong is that there are no LOG for other people to see, this forum does at least provide that.
Are you volunteering? |
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GM Unicorn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:11:00 -
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What I'm always saying is "if you have a feedback, post in the appropriate section" because is more helpful DEV-side than a log. Jump in if you are curious ! That's all :) |
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:14:00 -
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We already had this before
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=284240#post284240
It was proven biased and totally the wrong place to gather feedback
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:15:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Whats wrong if people use IRC to give the devs their opinions and feedback. Just like these forums irc is an important component in addressing any issues with the game; What is wrong is that there are no LOG for other people to see, this forum does at least provide that.
Would you like to see a log of everything spoken amongst the devs as well. The fact of the matter is everything official will be stated publicly just because things are being discussed doesn't mean that they will happen. Go on IRC and keep record of everything that is said and post it if you'd like, you have the option to do that. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:18:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:I don't understand how CCP can claim that the IRC is a public resource that they personally authenticate but leave primary administrative conduct in the hands of potentially biased community members, rather than finding a system to at the very least provide oversight on the actions of any administrators for it. CmdrWang requested +v. He told you your questions were rude twice before you were muted temporarily. Stop blaming Grid and the IRC. We moved on and don't care anymore, you'd still get a chance to speak again in a similar situation which is phenomenally not biased. So please stop whining about a non-issue.
What are you talking about? |
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