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OG DonHel
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:19:00 -
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I know, I know.. another fkn tank thread... lol
Just want to rant real quick at all those tank drivers who keep saying they deserve to be in something hard as fk to kill because it cost them a bunch of isk to make... OK, well have you ever stepped out of your tank and looked at a decent dropsuit fit? I just bought 20 guns last night and had to pay 2 million ISK, yes 2 million isk .. for 20 guns ... to put on a suit that can get blown to bits in a flash, or jumped by a small mob of nubbins with militia assault.. so take that damn line of " but I paid this much so I blah blah blah" and shove it where the sun dont shine. cause it's the dumbest defense I keep hearing and seeing for a tank driver.
Ok, back to your regular program, Rant over. |
YGGDRASSIL MONDE
Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober
3
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:22:00 -
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I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread? |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:23:00 -
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would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol |
OG DonHel
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:25:00 -
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YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread?
Clearly you do not comprehend well... a tank can run into a mass of people blasting and kill them and keep rolling, take my suit that is a few hundred k and try the same thing... it's not rolling out of the massive shitstorm of bullets. get it now? thats why I think that excuse is dumb as fk, you probably use it aswell so thats why you felt compelled to come in here with that reply. |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:25:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol
you aswell |
843-Bob365421 EV
27
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:25:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:I know, I know.. another fkn tank thread... lol
Just want to rant real quick at all those tank drivers who keep saying they deserve to be in something hard as fk to kill because it cost them a bunch of isk to make... OK, well have you ever stepped out of your tank and looked at a decent dropsuit fit? I just bought 20 guns last night and had to pay 2 million ISK, yes 2 million isk .. for 20 guns ... to put on a suit that can get blown to bits in a flash, or jumped by a small mob of nubbins with militia assault.. so take that damn line of " but I paid this much so I blah blah blah" and shove it where the sun dont shine. cause it's the dumbest defense I keep hearing and seeing for a tank driver.
Ok, back to your regular program, Rant over.
My tanks cost over 2 million isk plus, and i don't even have a proto tank yet. if u were good u would have bought 20 proto swarms to kill me with. but u didn't and got assualt rifles for infantry. your loss. |
Goliath Raven
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:26:00 -
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If we know CCP, and I think we do, the game will probably end up with a Titan esk vehicle or dropsuit. The ultra rare, see one and have a Oh ****, everyone can count on one hand how many confirmed kills of said mega monster there are. And I'm ok with this. if CCP can balance a Titan in eve, I think they can balance something similar for us. |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:26:00 -
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oh boy the butts are hurting |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:27:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol you aswell
ill ignore your anger here and just say some of my stb squad mates have isk in the tens of millions since they play well enough with their fittings that they dont have to buy proto ar's in multiples of 20s regularly... |
YGGDRASSIL MONDE
Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober
3
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:27:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread? Clearly you do not comprehend well... a tank can run into a mass of people blasting and kill them and keep rolling, take my suit that is a few hundred k and try the same thing... it's not rolling out of the massive shitstorm of bullets. get it now? thats why I think that excuse is dumb as fk, you probably use it aswell so thats why you felt compelled to come in here with that reply. Actually no I pilot a dropship and two you're comparing a drop suit to a tank a drop suit that is both less armor and money compared to that tank is that really so hard to comprehend |
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Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:28:00 -
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before the wipe, but still in this current build, my prototype fits were well over 300K isk apiece.
true story. |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:30:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:OG DonHel wrote:STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol you aswell ill ignore your anger here and just say some of my stb squad mates have isk in the tens of millions since they play well enough with their fittings that they dont have to buy proto ar's in multiples of 20s regularly...
lol... I wasnt compalining about having to spend my million bro.. if I drop 2 mil on guns.. clearly my wallet is good , so bragging about your other mates and not even your own wallet is fkn pathetic bro |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:32:00 -
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why would i brag about my wallet? you would turn it into an anti-tank thread and probably start on about how i have no skill and tell me i should use a gun sometime.
what do i gain from telling you my wealth? |
Loss Tovas
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:33:00 -
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I approve of this thread.
STB please cry moar. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:34:00 -
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Last build, I was running protosuits constantly to see how the money worked out. Now, it was almost always good times. But in 1 game I went 15/17. Full Proto. I lost 1.5 mil using dropsuits last build in a single game. Current costs that'd be... around 4mil atleast. Quite likely more. Can't access market atm.
The thing is, you lose a bigger chunk but far less often with tanks. Dropsuits, even with good games you can easily run a loss.
Oh and you never get sniped in the back while hacking the objective in your plush suit as a tanker. That's what gunners are for :) |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:35:00 -
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Loss Tovas wrote:I approve of this thread.
STB please cry moar.
lol even though its the OP that's crying?
ive said my piece, good luck on the battlefield guys. |
Icy Tiger
496
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:36:00 -
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2.7 Million for a Surya. |
Goliath Raven
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:37:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol
... are you doing this for fun? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:38:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol
As if you've lost 20 tanks LMFAO
As if ANYONE has lost 20 tanks.... |
Loss Tovas
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:39:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:Loss Tovas wrote:I approve of this thread.
STB please cry moar. lol even though its the OP that's crying? ive said my piece, good luck on the battlefield guys.
No, don't go! Come back and keep getting into an E-Peen measuring contest with other anonymous forum users! How will anyone know STB is any good if you don't keep posting since you guys don't have any game? |
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:41:00 -
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I agree in so far as tank prices should be tripled.
With 650,000 SP and 1,400,000 ISK I can get two of my buddies and really put a hurting on people. Not to mention that after that initial investment, it only now costs me 200,000 a tank to wreak some havok.
(The Numbers) 650,000 SP ~500,000 for vehicle command level 5 ~150,000 for HAV level 1
1,400,000 ISK ~1,000,000 for HAV skill book ~200,000 for HAV tank ~200,000 for militia weapons and modules
That minimal investment can get me and my buddies a sweet ride with ~1,150 shield | ~5,550 armor | damage resistance modifiers | (some other things I can't recall as I did this for the first time last night with about 2 hours of game-play). With a Driver and two buddies (w/ repair tools) on turrets, our gains far exceed our risk and investment.
If we run into Bad Furry or Ted Nugent...yea so we will get blown up and loose200k (if we called it in) and then just go to the next match and get back all we lost and more.
I only created my tank to have it if the game gets out of control, as in I have this but I would rather not use it so of way. It is far more exciting for our squad to AV up and hunt tanks. We rarely meet a tank we can't take out, usually spider tankers... |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:57:00 -
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Mmhmm...
Quote:I think I've got this one figured out. Here's how to properly balance tanks so we don't have any more threads like this.
Top tier tank should have about 700-1000 base EHP and be able to fit either something like an Assault Rifle or an HMG in the main turret. No additional concurrently active turrets, just one that could be activated by switching weapons. Maybe limit that to less powerful weapons...a submachine gun or a pistol or something.
They shouldn't have any type of active boosters available, just passive extenders or rechargers. And the resistance modules should be severely reduced. Maybe just limit it to the DCU.
And to be honest, the base speed is far too fast. Maybe slow it down to about 7 or 8...with the option to add a burst of speed. But only for a short period, not an indefinite "high speed" setting.
The ability to run over players needs to be removed, but a close quarters option for killing does make sense. Maybe a knife of some kind. That would be good.
And having the vehicles brought in by RDVs can cause problems - sometimes they crush people who just spawned. So instead, I say spawn in the vehicle. And they are way too big, anyway. Make it about the size of a player and no more friendly crushing will have.
Except having a dropsuit inside a vehicle is really lame. First you have to kill the vehicle, then the dropsuit pops out. I mean, talk about overpowered. Let's just make it one thing - you spawn in a vehicle you can't leave and you die when it does.
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So the solution: Make vehicles dropsuit sized, capable of only fitting dropsuit weapons with dropsuit modules and dropsuit tank. Give them dropsuit speed, and dropsuit mechanics. Vechicles officially fixed! |
Dr Skurlock
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:04:00 -
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YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread?
Um, in case you didn't know it, tanks also have modules and weapon turrets that have to be paid for. 1 tank costs me nearly 2.5 mil. |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:06:00 -
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Drake Lyons wrote:Mmhmm... Quote:I think I've got this one figured out. Here's how to properly balance tanks so we don't have any more threads like this.
Top tier tank should have about 700-1000 base EHP and be able to fit either something like an Assault Rifle or an HMG in the main turret. No additional concurrently active turrets, just one that could be activated by switching weapons. Maybe limit that to less powerful weapons...a submachine gun or a pistol or something.
They shouldn't have any type of active boosters available, just passive extenders or rechargers. And the resistance modules should be severely reduced. Maybe just limit it to the DCU.
And to be honest, the base speed is far too fast. Maybe slow it down to about 7 or 8...with the option to add a burst of speed. But only for a short period, not an indefinite "high speed" setting.
The ability to run over players needs to be removed, but a close quarters option for killing does make sense. Maybe a knife of some kind. That would be good.
And having the vehicles brought in by RDVs can cause problems - sometimes they crush people who just spawned. So instead, I say spawn in the vehicle. And they are way too big, anyway. Make it about the size of a player and no more friendly crushing will have.
Except having a dropsuit inside a vehicle is really lame. First you have to kill the vehicle, then the dropsuit pops out. I mean, talk about overpowered. Let's just make it one thing - you spawn in a vehicle you can't leave and you die when it does.
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So the solution: Make vehicles dropsuit sized, capable of only fitting dropsuit weapons with dropsuit modules and dropsuit tank. Give them dropsuit speed, and dropsuit mechanics. Vechicles officially fixed!
I actually LOL on this |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:11:00 -
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YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:OG DonHel wrote:YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread? Clearly you do not comprehend well... a tank can run into a mass of people blasting and kill them and keep rolling, take my suit that is a few hundred k and try the same thing... it's not rolling out of the massive shitstorm of bullets. get it now? thats why I think that excuse is dumb as fk, you probably use it aswell so thats why you felt compelled to come in here with that reply. Actually no I pilot a dropship and two you're comparing a drop suit to a tank a drop suit that is both less armor and money compared to that tank is that really so hard to comprehend
But the suits can be OHK'd by tanks... The difference is that the tanks can in fact do that... So unless thu get hit by 4 proto swarms at once, not much is gonna happen.
So, "why not just have 4 proto swarms?"
Well the next escalation is that the entire enemy team has tanks... You would need more players than are on your team just to deal with a cluster of 4 tanks...
Sooo... Yeahh.... |
Gyrnius
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:15:00 -
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Goliath Raven wrote:If we know CCP, and I think we do, the game will probably end up with a Titan esk vehicle or dropsuit. The ultra rare, see one and have a Oh ****, everyone can count on one hand how many confirmed kills of said mega monster there are. And I'm ok with this. if CCP can balance a Titan in eve, I think they can balance something similar for us.
Titan have been nerfed 6 times because they could not balance them. Personally, I have been in battles for systems where OUR side had 15 titans on the field and the opposite team had about the same. Banking on ccp balancing is akin to banking on the mental stability of Charles Manson. Don't expect consistency OR balance :/
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YGGDRASSIL MONDE
Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober
3
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:36:00 -
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Dr Skurlock wrote:YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread? Um, in case you didn't know it, tanks also have modules and weapon turrets that have to be paid for. 1 tank costs me nearly 2.5 mil. Is that not what I said? |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol As if you've lost 20 tanks LMFAO As if ANYONE has lost 20 tanks....
BS! I used to run AV then I decided to join the HAV club to expirience those "unkillable" tanks......bah,bah! and BAH!!! So far I think that I hav died in around 250 to 275 times in a Sica and around 65 times in a Gunnlogi. Here try this HAV since they are "OP".......mother kitten! you just killed my hav....again!!! Sooner or later I will get better at running tanks but its kind of a pain when instead of driving a tank and risking a lot of isk then I can just run a militia logi and get more kills and more sp.
Sigh. I am just average at fps games and thats the problem. |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:26:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol As if you've lost 20 tanks LMFAO As if ANYONE has lost 20 tanks.... BS! I used to run AV then I decided to join the HAV club to expirience those "unkillable" tanks......bah,bah! and BAH!!! So far I think that I hav died in around 250 to 275 times in a Sica and around 65 times in a Gunnlogi. Here try this HAV since they are "OP".......mother kitten! you just killed my hav....again!!! Sooner or later I will get better at running tanks but its kind of a pain when instead of driving a tank and risking a lot of isk then I can just run a militia logi and get more kills and more sp. Sigh. I am just average at fps games and thats the problem.
wtf, wow dude. thats like 70 mil+ of ****.. either your full of it or dammmm, I feel for ya... stay the fk out of tank, stay the fk out anything shooting actually lol.. logi definatly sounds better suited for you.. holy **** thats alot of tank loss 0.o |
Antonius Dacinci
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:27:00 -
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How to kill every tank ***** threat. "This is a alpha, all work is in progress, the devs them self have admit ed that nothing is properly balanced and simply thrown together because they are too busy adding new stuff to the game as they go to actually get balance corrected.
Now shutup and get AV weapons or whatever you do and move on. |
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:28:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread? Clearly you do not comprehend well... a tank can run into a mass of people blasting and kill them and keep rolling, take my suit that is a few hundred k and try the same thing... it's not rolling out of the massive shitstorm of bullets. get it now? thats why I think that excuse is dumb as fk, you probably use it aswell so thats why you felt compelled to come in here with that reply.
OP needs to stop dying so much as infantry tbh |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:44:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:would you like me to tell you the cost of 20 tank turrets? lol As if you've lost 20 tanks LMFAO As if ANYONE has lost 20 tanks.... BS! I used to run AV then I decided to join the HAV club to expirience those "unkillable" tanks......bah,bah! and BAH!!! So far I think that I hav died in around 250 to 275 times in a Sica and around 65 times in a Gunnlogi. Here try this HAV since they are "OP".......mother kitten! you just killed my hav....again!!! Sooner or later I will get better at running tanks but its kind of a pain when instead of driving a tank and risking a lot of isk then I can just run a militia logi and get more kills and more sp. Sigh. I am just average at fps games and thats the problem. wtf, wow dude. thats like 70 mil+ of ****.. either your full of it or dammmm, I feel for ya... stay the fk out of tank, stay the fk out anything shooting actually lol.. logi definatly sounds better suited for you.. holy **** thats alot of tank loss 0.o
I ran full militia logi for a few rounds then buy a militia Sica then run a militia logi again. Now I get 150k to 250k isk per round with a militia sica costing 130k and a gunnlogi hull 200k. I lost one tank per battle or sometimes two but every round I make the isk to run one tank.
As soon as I get some tank skills then I will try using better tank mods but then the problem is folks skilling up better AV and its back to square one for me....sigh. Still fun anyways.
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OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:47:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:OG DonHel wrote:YGGDRASSIL MONDE wrote:I don't even drive a tank but your argument is flawed you paid multiple of one thing to get that much they pay 1 of one thing to get that much or however much tanks cost then they have to fit them with armor and weapons and modifiers and things so that's even more money also one is an infantry item the other is a tank.... What was the point of even making this thread? Clearly you do not comprehend well... a tank can run into a mass of people blasting and kill them and keep rolling, take my suit that is a few hundred k and try the same thing... it's not rolling out of the massive shitstorm of bullets. get it now? thats why I think that excuse is dumb as fk, you probably use it aswell so thats why you felt compelled to come in here with that reply. OP needs to stop dying so much as infantry tbh
where the hell do you come up with this statement? |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.09.05 23:12:00 -
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There is a logical issue with the reasoning in this thread.
Rule I - Tanks must be difficult to kill. The fact of the matter is that a tank - as a tank - must survive more relatively more damage than infantry and be significantly more difficult to kill.Otherwise, there is not point in having a tank in the first place. Just use infantry and this whole issue disappears.
Rule II - Tanks should not be impossible to kill. Now, since we have now established that tanks should be tougher than infantry (Rule I), it makes sense for their weapons to exceed those of infantry in the event of a tank vs. tank encounter, lest tanks become essentially invincible. And it also makes sense for infantry to develop weapons that can kill tanks, lest tanks become essentially invincible.
Rule III - Tanks should be expensive, but not prohibitively so. So now we have tanks that are tougher than infantry (Rule I) with weapons that are more powerful than infantry, and infantry weapons specialized to take out tanks (Rule II). The issue here becomes - how powerful do we make tank weapons, and how powerful do we make AV weapons? If AV weapons are so powerful that infantry can kill a tank as though it were an infantryman, we violate Rule I. And tank weapons must allow the tanks to defend themselves well against infantry as a general answer to Rule II. (An alternate idea would be to make tanks essentially useless against infantry, but also making them nearly invulnerable to the same. In other words, vehicles would only really damage vehicles and only be damaged by vehicles. This, however, goes against the common sense idea of a giant railgun blasting into an infantryman with the total effect of knocking the wind out of him.) The balance here is in cost - one should expect to lose a number of dropsuits per round and come out ahead in ISK. One should not be able to lose multiple tanks in a round and come out ahead. Indeed, if most players lose more than one tank per round, they are immediately heavily in the red.
Rule IV - Even weak tanks seem OP when there is no AV on the field. This is simple math, and is very much the case. Every tank I have lost, I believe I lost to a clout of militia swarm launchers. Two people with decent AV fittings can easily solve the problem. Except very few people are playing specialized AV roles. Which means that otherwise balanced tanks seem OP when there isn't anyone doing effective damage. |
Blunt Smkr
Doomheim
62
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Posted - 2012.09.05 23:22:00 -
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lol my best dropsuit setup cost me 96k rite now an i rarley die if i'm rockin that setup. so i actually feel bad for tanks that spend a mill+ on there setup cause i can do just as good as them if not better for 1/10th the price lol.
So even though i cant stand tanks i feel they got a good point bout them being tough to kill cause they cost alot. The only problem i have with tanks really is every time i'm finally bout to take one out they manage to speed off to a safe area. An ccp is going to fix that so i'm just sitting back laughin at tankers waiting for the ewar stuff |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.06 00:18:00 -
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@ Maximus Stryker
Your bang on da money 3x makes huge sense to me.
+ 1 for you and OP |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
134
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Posted - 2012.09.06 00:32:00 -
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The reason this game sux is because it's all about vehicles. No other FPS has ever been like this, wonder why. because this aint no FPS. It's made by vehicle lovers for vehicle lovers. Just get a vehicle accept it or get out. |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax.
103
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:04:00 -
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What I want to know is why my 1 gun cost as much as a bloody tank not including the suit and mods yet I'm barely compensated for blowing them up . Kill two gunnis in a match yet don't even get enough to cover the expenses of ONE effective suit . And I'm not even talking about a fully decked out proto one !
Never mind as an AV guy EVERYTHING is trying to kill you . Heck I think we even beat out logis on the priority meter .
AV guys cost of living is too high for what we do ! I demand a raise ! |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:59:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:
What I want to know is why my 1 gun cost as much as a bloody tank not including the suit and mods yet I'm barely compensated for blowing them up . Kill two gunnis in a match yet don't even get enough to cover the expenses of ONE effective suit . And I'm not even talking about a fully decked out proto one !
Never mind as an AV guy EVERYTHING is trying to kill you . Heck I think we even beat out logis on the priority meter .
AV guys cost of living is too high for what we do ! I demand a raise !
This is also hugely true. Kitting out in AV is, at the moment, essentially begging for one guy with and AR to make a mess of you. TBF, it's less of an issue when not playing Ambush all the time. Then there can actually be squads to support you. |
Wadrok Ibarra
LONE STAR REPUBLIC
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 03:30:00 -
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I personally like the tank as is it should be op it's a freaking tank. Not an LAV I do hate geting killed by one but if there is so much commotion about it then maybe train for one. I personally never drive one and don't plan on driving one any time soon. Some thing that seemed to work great in the corp bat was our entire sq used AV grenades for those that had no av skills, well needless to say those advanced tanks got bolown up and guess what? They stoped spawning. Ofcorse it was a combination of grenades and swarms/ forge but that's what team work means find a team and I'm sure things will get better. Oh and don't use the milita heavy swarm that's not a good idea setup a milita assult with swarm for L and sub for S. |
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.09.06 03:49:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:@ Maximus Stryker Your bang on da money 3x makes huge sense to me. + 1 for you and OP
Thank you |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.06 03:55:00 -
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blh blah blah ... irrelevant!!!
if the tank can't die... it doesnt matter how much it cost!!
now as to the cost of the number of suits, weapons, modules and equips ill lose to said tank, multiplied by everyone else that is dying to said tank... those are some numbers worth mentioning.
Add in factor X of small ambush maps being gimped because you can't cross the road... even with an adult holding your hand...I'm sorry mummmy, the tank didnt care... now you're dead...*cries a little*
and you have as CCP have admitted (loosely quoted.. and badly at that) "tanks are damn brokended!"
now if you'll excuse me i have to make a militia fit because all my points in AV are apparently useless!..*wipes tear from eye...* |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:35:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:blh blah blah ... irrelevant!!!
if the tank can't die... it doesnt matter how much it cost!!
now as to the cost of the number of suits, weapons, modules and equips ill lose to said tank, multiplied by everyone else that is dying to said tank... those are some numbers worth mentioning.
Add in factor X of small ambush maps being gimped because you can't cross the road... even with an adult holding your hand...I'm sorry mummmy, the tank didnt care... now you're dead...*cries a little*
and you have as CCP have admitted (loosely quoted.. and badly at that) "tanks are damn brokended!"
now if you'll excuse me i have to make a militia fit because all my points in AV are apparently useless!..*wipes tear from eye...*
hehe +1 |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:56:00 -
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TBF, I had no problem with tanks, until I went AV, and put six full Swarm launchers Into one...only to get it to half shields, add to that the amount of damage and havoc they cause. I know people say it's a tank, and is meant to be OP, and I agree, it the indestructible end which is the problem, and if your doing the it's a tank argument, how many tanks are purchasable for the use of one individual, in militias or in armies? I think that they should be corp assets only on release, that might balance the game more. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:56:00 -
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There are few things more satisfying than successfully trolling/bullying a tank with a fast long-range militia tank. 1200 damage per shot every few seconds or so from across the map is often more than enough to get their attention.
If the tank has already been weakened few shots might even be enough to help the av-infantry to finish the job. Militia tank with rail-gun is only around 138k you could even add a rail-gun with more punch if you wish.
More the merrier so join the fun!
High tier tanks are for nubs. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:24:00 -
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Are people really foolish enough to think the cost of the tank means it should be that hard to kill?
They really do not know what they are talking about... |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
206
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:19:00 -
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well, i've tried to stay away from this topic as both sides are at a stand still, however after a good talk/discussion w/ corp mates the other day waiting for a match, ill bring in what we thought of for tanks-av
1). Of course, unnerf AV weapons (damage, distance, targeting), and possibly even buff them . Reason for this, as essentially running AV limits you more so then any other specialization does. -The reason for this is your primary weapon slot (either SL or FG). Now a FG is still an effective AI (anti-infantry) weapon, where SL are 100% useless against an infantry, so your sidearm is 100% needed in fire fight; thus upgrading your sidearm is also needed thus more SP required . This also then takes away from your ability to upgrade your core dropsuit skills, whereas a tanker can more easily focus on that; as simply militia weaponry for a tank can kill even a decked out infantry w/ ease.
2). Make Vehicles skills more costly. Yes tankers will rage at this, BUT getting a HAV would take you, whatm one day to get? Whereas you can get proto AV weapons in a day, but you CANNOT use them that day. Most people (average gamer per esay) would need, what, about a week to get into a advanced suit the the least ? All that time the tanks can level up their turrets, shields, etc, making them even harder to kill (yes, tanks should be, but this is just a SP comparison at moment). -What we thought of was making vehiclescommand something like a 3-5x skill multiplier so it takes time, and thusly if someone wants to spec into it, they need to actually fear having to try and be an infantry player to get SP, or be stuck using militia tanks for a bit and actually fear basic AV setups. Now im not a tanker, so your opinions here would be good (honest ones); DO YOU GUYS FEAR MILITIA/BASIC AV gear in your "real" HAV's (Gung's, Suryas, Sag's), even if there are 1-3 shooting at you and u have gunners in your tank ? - Along with that, just since you now would have an advanced/proto av weapon & suit ; you also need a sidearm upgraded most likely, as if you run into someone running even a basic AR, but has weaponary, he can "easily" kill you before he enters your effective range of an smg (especially if using a SL.
There might of been something else but cant put my finger on it at the moment. |
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