DUST Search - so i just had 5 tanks on my team.

The dark cloud wrote:

Kyy Seiska wrote:

Dante Daedrik wrote:

My AV fit seems to have been rendered useless.

Pro-tip

AV-build with a tank is better than a AV-build without one.

It only costs around 138k to get a militia tank with a rail-gun, SP requirements aren't that bad either.

Sure they are made of paper and av-builds can actually destroy them, but they can deal fair deal amount of damage to tanks while withstand couple of shot themselves (unlike prototype heavy drop-suit). The range is fairly good as well allowing you to bully / soften these top tier tanks from a distance.

think of it as a extra weapon or a power-up you can buy.

You can make a militia tank actually quite good. Just put some good modules on them and see the magic. Seriously the main difference between a militia and standard tank is only 1 module and a bit HP. Neverless the difference between a marauder and a standard tank is you might guess a bit more HP and another module slot and a bit increased CPU or PG. I bet i could fit on a militia tank 1 heavy armor rep, 1 small armor rep, low-mid armor plates and a PG upgrade. Maybe a damage controll unit aswell.

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Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:44:00 - [1] - Quote takes a lot of talent to get 5 tanks on the same team. i'm pretty good at videogames you guys. seriously. 5 tanks, same team. record? edit: and yes, all at once.
Meldrad Rundal Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:48:00 - [2] - Quote Gangbang?
Akuzuma Oppa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:48:00 - [3] - Quote Fun match?
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:54:00 - [4] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: tanks Buzzwords wrote: talent You lost me...
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:55:00 - [5] - Quote I bet that was more fun you ever had on dusr right ?
STB-stlcarlos989 EV Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 936	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:04:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah, CCP tried to reduce tank spam by upping the prices but that did nothing. The only thing I think would work is a cap on how often a tank can be called in, so like a HAV driver could call one in after 5 (completed) games I think that would make it more reasonable. We all know any dedicated HAV would hate this but I do think it is a reasonable Idea.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:10:00 - [7] - Quote I believe 5 tanks on one side is total, or is it more ?
STB-TedNugent EV 159	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:12:00 - [8] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Yeah, CCP tried to reduce tank spam by upping the prices but that did nothing. The only thing I think would work is a cap on how often a tank can be called in, so like a HAV driver could call one in after 5 (completed) games I think that would make it more reasonable. We all know any dedicated HAV would hate this but I do think it is a reasonable Idea. thats b/s.... that wont work if you dont want a team to call in a tank put ted on the map... i hear im pretty well known... i lost a tank today so what did i do upgrade full proto gear on my tank... ready for round two i think so
Nate Silverley Rebelles A Quebec 139	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:15:00 - [9] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Yeah, CCP tried to reduce tank spam by upping the prices but that did nothing. The only thing I think would work is a cap on how often a tank can be called in, so like a HAV driver could call one in after 5 (completed) games I think that would make it more reasonable. We all know any dedicated HAV would hate this but I do think it is a reasonable Idea. There shouldn't be any caps on tanks, there should be more ways to take them down.
Akuzuma Oppa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:18:00 - [10] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Yeah, CCP tried to reduce tank spam by upping the prices but that did nothing. The only thing I think would work is a cap on how often a tank can be called in, so like a HAV driver could call one in after 5 (completed) games I think that would make it more reasonable. We all know any dedicated HAV would hate this but I do think it is a reasonable Idea. Nah. Just limit the amount each team can have or make it where each side has like a limit cap on how many vehicles they can use. Kinda like SC2 or any other RTS and the better the Vehicle the more points(CP) it will take from the overall CP (I think CP is the right word compared to "Food Limit")

Flux Raeder WarRavens 83	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:19:00 - [11] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: takes a lot of talent to get 5 tanks on the same team. i'm pretty good at videogames you guys. seriously. 5 tanks, same team. record? edit: and yes, all at once. Were they STB by any chance? Anytime I have been on a map with more than two of them they are in tanks...
Alamo TAYLOR1 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:19:00 - [12] - Quote Tanks are boring theres no challenge at all
Akuzuma Oppa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:21:00 - [13] - Quote Nate Silverley wrote: STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Yeah, CCP tried to reduce tank spam by upping the prices but that did nothing. The only thing I think would work is a cap on how often a tank can be called in, so like a HAV driver could call one in after 5 (completed) games I think that would make it more reasonable. We all know any dedicated HAV would hate this but I do think it is a reasonable Idea. There shouldn't be any caps on tanks, there should be more ways to take them down. There should be a limit. If not this will be a console version of EvE. I think they use only ships from what I seen on youtube.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:24:00 - [14] - Quote No cap on HAVS lets them come until my frame rate turns to fpm.
STB-stlcarlos989 EV Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 936	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:27:00 - [15] - Quote Yeah but we are on pace for dust to be a first person tanker and can forget about any chance for skilled FPS play.
Akuzuma Oppa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:34:00 - [16] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Yeah but we are on pace for dust to be a first person tanker and can forget about any chance for skilled FPS play. I guess I'll just go play BF3 then lol.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:35:00 - [17] - Quote lol.... I believe Blendeddave pointed this out 3 days into this build and got ripped to pieces for it. Good onya Dave for proving yourself right mate. Now read my fortune for the lottery please...
nepher sesoch DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:42:00 - [18] - Quote I wish CCP would make some comment on future plans for these issues. This build may not (probably won't) represent final release conditions as we are mainly battle testing relative strengths and weaknesses on equipment etc. Once that data collection is done we may see more realistic builds of the gameplay but I haven't seen much to indicate that if they have these plans they are willing to release that info and remove some fears that they are having trouble getting this balanced.
SLEEPY -1 THE RIFFS 23	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:42:00 - [19] - Quote new game it's called turk y shoot with tanks 514 !! shoot turkys with op tanks on interesting planets linked with EVE online best fun ever no **** just dont select the turky character lmfao
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.04 02:02:00 - [20] - Quote STB-TedNugent EV wrote: STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Yeah, CCP tried to reduce tank spam by upping the prices but that did nothing. The only thing I think would work is a cap on how often a tank can be called in, so like a HAV driver could call one in after 5 (completed) games I think that would make it more reasonable. We all know any dedicated HAV would hate this but I do think it is a reasonable Idea. thats b/s.... that wont work if you dont want a team to call in a tank put ted on the map... i hear im pretty well known... i lost a tank today so what did i do upgrade full proto gear on my tank... ready for round two i think so Doin' it right. I can't wait till fighter aircraft are put in and I can abuse those. Staying out of HAVs in this build, because I'm actually terrible at them.

DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.04 02:02:00 - [21] - Quote I was rolling around with a guy earlier, he just uses militia tanks at about 140k a piece. 0 deaths, descent number of kills with the sniper rifle..I mean railgun... Just...so silly....so damn silly....
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.09.04 02:23:00 - [22] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: Buzzwords wrote: takes a lot of talent to get 5 tanks on the same team. i'm pretty good at videogames you guys. seriously. 5 tanks, same team. record? edit: and yes, all at once. Were they STB by any chance? Anytime I have been on a map with more than two of them they are in tanks... oddly enough, yes. a couple of them were STB. but no, not all 5.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.04 02:56:00 - [23] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Yeah, CCP tried to reduce tank spam by upping the prices but that did nothing. The only thing I think would work is a cap on how often a tank can be called in, so like a HAV driver could call one in after 5 (completed) games I think that would make it more reasonable. We all know any dedicated HAV would hate this but I do think it is a reasonable Idea. as much as i hate tank spam bad idea the reason u see tank spam is because those tankers are in a grp tanks dont really need a health nerf they just need capacitors , ewar and other ** like flux nades to work as intended and TBQH @ OP if ur not in a grp/corp etc and pubbin by urself u will have to accept abuse like this because the randoms on ur team wont have the common sense to have an AV fit ready to deal with tanks I still see ppl using AP nades an ** like wtf, everyone should have AV nades tbh, use ur gun to kill infantry and everyone should have a swarm launcher fit as well ive played in the corp battles since it started and let me tell u once ppl develop a brain and can work together on a larger scale u can force tanks to back up easy problem is everyone expects someone else to grab an AV fit instead of taking the initiative and just swappin from their precious infantry killin machine fit
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.09.04 03:30:00 - [24] - Quote To everyone suggesting more caps on vehicles: LESS EXPLOSIONS = LESS FUN.
Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.09.04 04:48:00 - [25] - Quote Not sure what will happen with the tanks. I hope the AV nerf is reverted soon. I know the real tank drivers dont want tanks nerfed or AV buffed. But, you have to admit, tanks right now are immortal. Unless you have your whole team with AV and gangbanging that tank. I hope there will be a "balance" of some sort once ewar and other counter measures are put in place. I am playing the beta of planetside 2. If anyone has played either planetside 1 or the beta of 2, you know there is a timer on vehicles. Once you pull it, the timer ticks. If you lose your tank, you have to wait till it's timer has expired before you can pull a new one. I believe tanks are somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 min. I'm guessing, as I haven't payed real close attention as I rarely use tanks. Perhaps something like that should be implemented here. Granted, the timer still doesn't stop multiple people pulling tanks at the same time. As another poster stated, maybe have a limit on how many of certain vehicles are allowed. I know there is a limit to total vehicles, but perhaps, maybe vehicles specific would help. Not sure how hard that would be to implement. Perhaps a combination of the two. This would help keep a "balance" on the field so one team doesn't have 5 tanks on the field, 1 at each point, depending on the map, and 1 or 2 roving. A setup like that, there would be virtually no way of winning that match. Especially the way it is now. Just a couple of ideas to keep in mind.
Vane KoS Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2012.09.04 06:10:00 - [26] - Quote In this game the only thing that counts is SP. The old FPSers think that stuff like K/D is the premier stat, but SP is really where it is at (in my opinion). Maybe the way to reduce the tank spam would be to reduce the SP per kill, per damage etc dramatically for tank kills. Make it so that its no easier to get good SP (and Isk for that matter) than if you were an infantry fooot soldier.
wathak 514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.09.04 06:23:00 - [27] - Quote Hmmm vehicles have a limit to how many can be on the field at a time per team how many dont know ,never counted Tanks are fun to play against you people just arnt doing it right. Toy with the tank. Have fun with the tank. Distract the tank. Not to hard for an assult suit to do this and then his buddies have 1 brought there own tank or 2 squaded into av fits and snuck up on the tank. Honetly u people just need to stop playing cod and start playing dust514. Not saying av weapons arnt underpowered cause they are but not by as much as everyone makes them out to be al thats needed is a very small buff.
Flux Raeder WarRavens 83	Posted - 2012.09.04 06:26:00 - [28] - Quote I am in a battle right now with 4 tanks and an LAV.. there is NOTHING you can do, I tried pulling out my heavy dropsuit multiple times but you can't get a shot without one of the other vehicles taking you out
Dante Daedrik Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 97	Posted - 2012.09.04 07:06:00 - [29] - Quote My AV fit seems to have been rendered useless.
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.09.04 09:41:00 - [30] - Quote Dante Daedrik wrote: My AV fit seems to have been rendered useless. Pro-tip AV-build with a tank is better than a AV-build without one. It only costs around 138k to get a militia tank with a rail-gun, SP requirements aren't that bad either. Sure they are made of paper and av-builds can actually destroy them, but they can deal fair deal amount of damage to tanks while withstand couple of shot themselves (unlike prototype heavy drop-suit). The range is fairly good as well allowing you to bully / soften these top tier tanks from a distance. think of it as a extra weapon or a power-up you can buy.

The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.09.04 09:49:00 - [31] - Quote Kyy Seiska wrote: Dante Daedrik wrote: My AV fit seems to have been rendered useless. Pro-tip AV-build with a tank is better than a AV-build without one. It only costs around 138k to get a militia tank with a rail-gun, SP requirements aren't that bad either. Sure they are made of paper and av-builds can actually destroy them, but they can deal fair deal amount of damage to tanks while withstand couple of shot themselves (unlike prototype heavy drop-suit). The range is fairly good as well allowing you to bully / soften these top tier tanks from a distance. think of it as a extra weapon or a power-up you can buy. You can make a militia tank actually quite good. Just put some good modules on them and see the magic. Seriously the main difference between a militia and standard tank is only 1 module and a bit HP. Neverless the difference between a marauder and a standard tank is you might guess a bit more HP and another module slot and a bit increased CPU or PG. I bet i could fit on a militia tank 1 heavy armor rep, 1 small armor rep, low-mid armor plates and a PG upgrade. Maybe a damage controll unit aswell.
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.09.04 10:01:00 - [32] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Kyy Seiska wrote: Dante Daedrik wrote: My AV fit seems to have been rendered useless. Pro-tip AV-build with a tank is better than a AV-build without one. It only costs around 138k to get a militia tank with a rail-gun, SP requirements aren't that bad either. Sure they are made of paper and av-builds can actually destroy them, but they can deal fair deal amount of damage to tanks while withstand couple of shot themselves (unlike prototype heavy drop-suit). The range is fairly good as well allowing you to bully / soften these top tier tanks from a distance. think of it as a extra weapon or a power-up you can buy. You can make a militia tank actually quite good. Just put some good modules on them and see the magic. Seriously the main difference between a militia and standard tank is only 1 module and a bit HP. Neverless the difference between a marauder and a standard tank is you might guess a bit more HP and another module slot and a bit increased CPU or PG. I bet i could fit on a militia tank 1 heavy armor rep, 1 small armor rep, low-mid armor plates and a PG upgrade. Maybe a damage controll unit aswell. Not a pro tank user but sounds pretty solid to me, inexpensive as well? Butting few points to hybrid turrets to get better main rail-gun seems pretty good choice as well. Standard rail-guns do cost a bit more tough, but they are somewhat better than militia variants. Provides some inexpensive oomph for softening tanks up. I have been thinking about the speed modules as well. While you are making yourself highly vulnerable against AV, it just might help soften up top-quality tanks from a distance by keeping that distance. Too bad I don't have a drivers license so I suck at driving, especially when driving blindly while aiming.
BestNameEva Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.09.04 15:06:00 - [33] - Quote I dont get it, Tanks aint that tough. couple shots from a breach forge and watch it run faster than a LAV
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.04 15:32:00 - [34] - Quote May be an option to enter infantry only battles or full battles with armour may help for those who don't like tanks
Lazarus Solo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2012.09.04 15:45:00 - [35] - Quote That must have been a pretty boring match then.
Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.09.04 15:49:00 - [36] - Quote Most I'v seen was 7 on enemy team. They were too busy killing to capture null points so it just came down to a timer. Can they take out all our clones before our null cannons take out their mcc. They came close, but they lost.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.09.04 15:53:00 - [37] - Quote At this point, I can say it's a problem. But they might add something later on like calling-in a installation anywhere in a map to deal with this kind of guys.
Lazarus Solo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2012.09.04 16:35:00 - [38] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: At this point, I can say it's a problem. But they might add something later on like calling-in a installation anywhere in a map to deal with this kind of guys. I think you will be able to do that.


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