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kellogs27
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:38:00 -
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Get pumped boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmLcoRpCEo |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 13:12:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:
Amassing a seperate military power out side the joint military was all the proof we needed against you. What possible reason could the separate military power be created when all of the know races were on good terms?
To police our own colonies. If we used Federation forces then it wouldn't have been a secret would it? Furthermore, that is a baseless assumption. There was never any intent to rebel against the Federation, and history (read:lore) will prove me right. See for yourself in the Chronicles. What is the point of it bring a secret?no matter how well you defend it independently it would be better defended by the federation fleet. Secrets are a sign of betrayal no matter how you say it. Ignoring your actions would have been a great lapse in judgment equivalent to ignoring a potential terrorist attack
We had no obligation to tell you about them. We were building them before we joined the Federation and there was no question then. It was our business. I'll provide you with two facts:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
500 years before. And culturally, our people believe in minding our own business. Your people meddle with everything.
Therefore, the Caldari view slavery as a misguided notion that does more harm to an economy (and thus a proper society) than good. However, the Caldari also consider the affairs of other nations their own business, as long as it does no direct harm to the State. As a result, the Caldari find no difficulty in being allied with the Amarr Empire and Khanid Kingdom. They may believe those nations would serve as better trading partners should they abolish slavery, but they wouldn't presume to meddle with their society.
Furthermore, a few of our extremists blow up a dome. How you respond?! With orbital bombardment of our homeworld! Billions were effected, millions were evacuated. That's like going thermonuclear on an island nation for killing a few of your citizens. The response was way out of line, and you didn't even give the Caldari time to investigate and find the criminals responsible. You just immediately launched into a war, orbital bombardment, and planetary invasion. Your people should be ashamed.
Following the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor an extreme right-wing government grabbed the power reigns in the Gallente Federation and advocated a harsh response: bombing Caldari Prime and sending in troops to take control of the planet. Those within the Federation believing that peace talks should be initiated instead of an invasion didnGÇÖt dare speak up for fear of being branded cowards or, worse, traitors; the Gallente war machine grinded into gear.
It soon became obvious that it was a question of when, not if, the Gallenteans would take full control of the planet. The newly formed Caldari government, led by the heads of the Corporations, was far from being in full agreement as to what the correct course of action was. This disagreement, which severely hampered the Caldari State in following a coherent strategy, was only settled after the Morning of Reasoning, when the six most militant Corporations jointly ousted the other CEOGÇÖs from power. The Caldari saw that it was impossible to try to fight the much larger Gallente Federation for control of Caldari Prime. Instead, they started devising a plan to evacuate the Caldari population on the planet. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 13:14:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:aden slayer wrote:
You should just chill van. BTW it's just a game! Why are you worked up about it?
I'm having fun though. :( Gallente are evil. I'm speaking out against the evil Gallente... in response to what the thread was about it. Ya? Many people seem to think the Gallente are freedom fighters. I'm attempting to show them that they mirror the notion of American imperialism. I really think each side has a thought of who was right and who was wrong. People who support the federation thinks the Caldari started the war by separating from us. There really is no need to overreact as if this really happened in real life.
Edit: LARP is kind of a misnomer since it denotes live action. Rather, this is just plain RPing. Sorry for the confusion.
C'mon bro you've never heard of [LA]RPing? It's for effect man. =\ gonna call you Buzz Killington from now on.
Also, if I may respond to your other point, your people started the conflict but attempted to wrest control of our colonies away from us that we had rightfully built before we ever joined the Federation:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand. |
Terram Nenokal
BetaMax.
115
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Posted - 2012.08.31 13:58:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:aden slayer wrote:
You should just chill van. BTW it's just a game! Why are you worked up about it?
I'm having fun though. :( Gallente are evil. I'm speaking out against the evil Gallente... in response to what the thread was about it. Ya? Many people seem to think the Gallente are freedom fighters. I'm attempting to show them that they mirror the notion of American imperialism. I really think each side has a thought of who was right and who was wrong. People who support the federation thinks the Caldari started the war by separating from us. There really is no need to overreact as if this really happened in real life.
If role play makes you THAT uncomfortable, maybe you shouldn't participate.
*is pumped* |
uruz7 fish
FDF Industries Hedonistic Imperative
108
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:04:00 -
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go bang some more drums you dirty hippies! |
Hollow Ling
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:31:00 -
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So what time do the games start est time? |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:36:00 -
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Hollow Ling wrote:So what time do the games start est time?
There is a thread somewhere about it.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33825&find=unread |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:56:00 -
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Terram Nenokal wrote:aden slayer wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:aden slayer wrote:
You should just chill van. BTW it's just a game! Why are you worked up about it?
I'm having fun though. :( Gallente are evil. I'm speaking out against the evil Gallente... in response to what the thread was about it. Ya? Many people seem to think the Gallente are freedom fighters. I'm attempting to show them that they mirror the notion of American imperialism. I really think each side has a thought of who was right and who was wrong. People who support the federation thinks the Caldari started the war by separating from us. There really is no need to overreact as if this really happened in real life. If role play makes you THAT uncomfortable, maybe you shouldn't participate.
shouldn't we start killing caldari troops instead of role playing?
get to your drop-pod solider! |
Terram Nenokal
BetaMax.
115
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:07:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:shouldn't we start killing caldari troops instead of role playing?
get to your drop-pod solider!
I've been killing Caldari troops since 2004, brother.
As far as I'm is concerned, killing Caldari troops is role playing. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:08:00 -
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Terram Nenokal wrote:aden slayer wrote:shouldn't we start killing caldari troops instead of role playing?
get to your drop-pod solider! I've been killing Caldari troops since 2004, brother. As far as I'm is concerned, killing Caldari troops is role playing.
While you are Federation scum, I will concur that killing Federation troops is always roleplaying.
Can't wait until my work day is over |
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:14:00 -
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Death to the Gallente and whatever it is they stand for!
Long live Caldari and our various values and beliefs, whatever they may be! |
D3LTA NORMANDY
Doomheim
101
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:45:00 -
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Let-¦s kick in their kapitalistic a***s!! |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:48:00 -
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uruz7 fish wrote:go bang some more drums you dirty hippies!
hey just cause we are totally brainwashed. (Amarr Lazor using Fatsuit) |
MrShooter01
Expert Intervention Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:10:00 -
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Let me just say that though we may be at war (again) I respect you and your government's reasons for starting it.
All those years ago when we were technically a part of the federation and shared home planets in the same solar system, we crossed a line by refusing to pay taxes on deep space colonies that might have been accidentally left off the agenda for the monthly senate hearings. I think all of us Caldari can agree that getting caught perpetrating tax evasion is a serious taboo. Why, our accountants would hang their own grandmothers if they failed to declare a gift on their yearly income tax, so we shouldn't expect special treatment.
Our corporate "government" broke a law, and what's more had the gall to demand a little independence, and by golly you took action. While some of the whiny college professor types might say blockading our home planet and bombing the absolute **** out of it with nukes may have been a disproportionate response, it got RESULTS!
By forcing us to evacuate massive portions of our civilian population from our own home planet while our military sacrificed itself in a series of desperate suicide missions in order to prevent our genocide, you made an example out of us. People will think twice before ever failing to report assets to the Federation Revenue Service!
I seriously can not think of a more bureaucratic reason to start a war, it almost brings a tear to my eye. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:17:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Let me just say that though we may be at war (again) I respect you and your government's reasons for starting it.
All those years ago when we were technically a part of the federation and shared home planets in the same solar system, we crossed a line by refusing to pay taxes on deep space colonies that might have been accidentally left off the agenda for the monthly senate hearings. I think all of us Caldari can agree that getting caught perpetrating tax evasion is a serious taboo. Why, our accountants would hang their own grandmothers if they failed to declare a gift on their yearly income tax, so we shouldn't expect special treatment.
Our corporate "government" broke a law, and what's more had the gall to demand a little independence, and by golly you took action. While some of the whiny college professor types might say blockading our home planet and bombing the absolute **** out of it with nukes may have been a disproportionate response, it got RESULTS!
By forcing us to evacuate massive portions of our civilian population from our own home planet while our military sacrificed itself in a series of desperate suicide missions in order to prevent our genocide, you made an example out of us. People will think twice before ever failing to report assets to the Federation Revenue Service!
I seriously can not think of a more bureaucratic reason to start a war, it almost brings a tear to my eye.
LOL and truth comrade. I'm going to save this post. I'll reference you if I use it. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:21:00 -
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You telling me that the Caldari MQ are better than Gallente MQ? Caldari is space talk for jelly. |
Naturi Riclenore
BetaMax.
120
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:24:00 -
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The Caldari shall dread the day they ever came up against the Gallente... Our people are strong, our loyalty endless, and our morale high. We stand ready to defend freedom and peace. All that you cherish shall become our spoils. Your leaders shall fall at our hands and your people will know true freedom.
Gallente Shall rule the day |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:29:00 -
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Naturi Riclenore wrote:The Caldari shall dread the day they ever came up against the Gallente... Our people are strong, our loyalty endless, and our morale high. We stand ready to defend freedom and peace. All that you cherish shall become our spoils. Your leaders shall fall at our hands and your people will know true freedom.
Gallente Shall rule the day
Your people perpetrate a war of aggression against us, and do so in the name of peace and democracy. Then proclaim that you'll take our colonies as your spoils and 'free' our people by bombing and invasion.
How can you perpetrate such hostility and casualties in the name of freedom of peace? All you bring is death and misery.
The Caldari people stand and defend their homes. You seek to claim them for yourselves. You're thieves, pirates, and murderers. |
SkunkyUK
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:26:00 -
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Van Aewulf wrote:[quote=Naturi Riclenore]
The Caldari people stand and defend their homes. You seek to claim them for yourselves. You're thieves, pirates, and murderers.
We are murderers and we shall take your homes and your women .. er, for whatever reason we stand for ..and stuff. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:45:00 -
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SkunkyUK wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:[quote=Naturi Riclenore]
The Caldari people stand and defend their homes. You seek to claim them for yourselves. You're thieves, pirates, and murderers. We are murderers and we shall take your homes and your women .. er, for whatever reason we stand for ..and stuff.
I respect your honesty, at least. |
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Mariano G
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:47:00 -
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Gallente ftw becauset their primary color is green |
AC2AW-LEEROY
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:54:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:get bent
Should have known you were part of the unwashed masses!
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Aurora Kryzzen
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:55:00 -
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I'm really digging this thread lol. Kudos to all the nerds and their vast knowledge of lore. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:26:00 -
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All I have to say Is this, the Caldari deserve their freedom, and we will sure as hell give it to them, with liberty and justice for all! Long live the senate, long live the President, long live the federation! |
Quiverous
Dark Harlequin
37
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:27:00 -
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+1 for our Gallente allies |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:41:00 -
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Nothing in the chronicles specifily says that gallente killed caldari civilians, but it is repeatedly stated that both military and non military caldari killed gallente civilians |
D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
266
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:27:00 -
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CaldariHAHA! Gallente... losers! |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:32:00 -
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D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote:CaldariHAHA! Gallente... losers!
This just in, Caldari are yellow |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:40:00 -
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Caldari is silver tbh
Anyway 1-1 when i got to play, my 2nd game was a walkover
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D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
266
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote:CaldariHAHA! Gallente... losers! This just in, Caldari are yellow +1 for the cleverness! -1 for the insult! |
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