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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.08.30 00:30:00 -
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I use a Logitech MX 518 mouse and I have zero complaints about the mouse implementation. Maybe it's your mouse or something? I think they did a great job with it. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.30 00:47:00 -
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Haggisman wrote:I didn't come crying about it, I came posting my experiences about what I felt was an issue and my suggestions on how to address the issue - you know, the way beta testers are supposed to? I would have thought you may have realised that since you've made such an effort to emphasise the fact that it is a TEST environment. Thankfully not everyone is as aggressive as the majority of members of this community appear to be, and I've actually had some useful suggestions and feedback regarding my issues, however give the attitude that seems to be very evident here, I'm not sure it's a community I want to be a part of as unfortunately people being ***** isn't something that can be bug-fixed or beta-tested out.
That being said, it is still summer holidays, so give it a couple of weeks and there may be a higher proportion of people willing to act like adults :)
ok i'll give you a +1 for that because really guys his OP was not bad and it was not whiny... it's just a bit of a dead horse tho is why you're catching so much flak.
and understand we all have our own frustrations with the game being that it is a broken beta ATM which makes us overly hotsile so sometimes we take it out on the wrong ppl
i'll give you more than just a + 1 here even tho i dont agree with anything you're saying but you're not saying it in that whiny of a way.. most of us are actually not that bad of ppl when you talk to us on the mic, we just come off as assholes on here sometimes and sometimes we are but it's a game forum so you kinda have to expect it |
asuranD
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.31 06:46:00 -
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I wonder which will be better m&kb through XIM or connecting directly. |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.08.31 07:40:00 -
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The hard turn speed cap means that moving your mouse faster than a certain speed does not turn you any faster. This means that your mouse covers more space on your desk without covering a proportionate amount of space on the screen. The best way to turn with the mouse in this game is to move your mouse as close to the speed cap as possible, you should have much better results that way. Also, kbm works quite well, I use it a lot, but the keyboard controls are not very good, they need to be remappable. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:44:00 -
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The way I see it, turn speed is to slow, unrealistic, and boring. The need to increase the caps for both the DS3 and KBM. Until then, the best you can do is to turn mouse smoothing "off" and start using a scout suit. |
carl von oppenheimer
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:46:00 -
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I tried KB/M today and it was just terrifying how easy it was to track a running person with a mouse ...
I did gave then a bit of levelling by using my thigh as a mouse pad but it was still laughably easy to snipe with a mouse compared to DS3. Sure for anything else then sniping KB/M was terrible but sniping, oh my god. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
324
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:57:00 -
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Turning off mouse smoothing makes a massive difference in sensitivity. I have no problem running and gunning with smoothing off and the sensitivity around 60%, as I turn just as fast as if I was using the dualshock. |
Ender Storm
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.08.31 18:45:00 -
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Separating servers make no sense at all, this isnt a regular game, unless its ment for totally randomic matches in highsec, wich dosent matter anyway in any competitive sense.
Because the way I see it we will be fighting for control in planets in a shared environment. It makes no sense to split people, nor would that work.
"Lets invade sector 1 of planet DS-3KB ... oh wait their team is 100% ds3 and ours is kbm, so we cant invade".
Just make the controls work as they should.
KBM isnt terrible, but it has worst turning speed than the DS3. They should be equal. Not one better than the other.
I believe thats what most people expect, in both camps.
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EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.08.31 18:49:00 -
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Haggisman wrote:As a long time PC gamer, unfortunately relegated to the ranks of consolite due to various financial commitments (babies are expensive!!), imagine my excitement when I noticed Dust supported mouse & keyboard! Barely able to contain my emotions, I dusted off (pardon the pun! ) my trusty G500 and Saitek Eclipse and plugged them into the PS3. "Lets go set up my controls" I thought to myself, navigating to the M&KB section of the Neocon. "Oh. I can't... well, maybe they're adding that later, I guess I can figure out what the keys do by trial and error" After much experimentation, I managed to join a battle, and prepared to rain fiery death upon my foes. Or not. "Mouse seems a bit slow, I'll just turn up the sensitivity." 5 minutes later, and having resorted to using the pad because the keyboard controls are extremely unintuitive, I see that the sensitivity is already maxed. "Right, well I'll just turn it up on the mouse then" *tries* "huh... that hasn't really made much difference." Long story short, M&KB is great for sniping, however I couldn't even turn quick enough to track someone running across my screen about 100m away. It also takes 3-4 full lengths of my (larger than normal) mousepad to turn 360 degrees. This really can't be right with a 5700 dpi mouse, and I'm really hoping that CCP decide to do something about this - while I appreciate it's a console game, and pad is of course the standard control method, if you're going to add M&KB support, please please please make it work; there's no point adding it as a feature if it's only going to be tagged on (yes I realise it's a beta and they may have plans to fix it, but the more feedback they get, the more likely they are to fix things, right?) Add fully customisable keymappings, and increase the mouse sensitivity (or at least the sensitivity range so those of us who like our mice twitchy can set it so.) I ended up going back to the pad in frustration, and I hate playing shooters with a pad!
this is a controller only shooter |
mongo flash
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:22:00 -
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Mouse and keyboard works great for me I funk alot of peoples problems are they are trying to turn with the mouse which is wrong. You should be doing most of ur turning by staffing with keys A and D. And get a mouse that you can adjustment sensitivity independenty of the game and it works great |
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Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.08.31 20:27:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:Separating servers make no sense at all, this isnt a regular game, unless its ment for totally randomic matches in highsec, wich dosent matter anyway in any competitive sense.
Because the way I see it we will be fighting for control in planets in a shared environment. It makes no sense to split people, nor would that work.
"Lets invade sector 1 of planet DS-3KB ... oh wait their team is 100% ds3 and ours is kbm, so we cant invade".
Just make the controls work as they should.
KBM isnt terrible, but it has worst turning speed than the DS3. They should be equal. Not one better than the other.
I believe thats what most people expect, in both camps.
Turning speed on each suit with kbm is the same as the ds3. It's just when you have to pick up your mouse and put it down to turn more that it slows down, and even then if you have to pick up and move your mouse your moving it too fast. |
Drake-696
Doomheim
53
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Posted - 2012.08.31 20:59:00 -
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Haggisman wrote:Blowtorch McHurrypants wrote: If you are arguing that the imposed turning speed on M&KB is too slow that's fine - just realize they are doing it purposefully to balance with the console turn speeds.
*cry* Why implement a feature and then gimp it to the point it's virtually useless? If they're going to implement M&KB, then there's no point in sticking it in just for the sake of it. If they're doing it to try appeal to the PC gamers (like myself), having it borked in such a way isn't going to help at all, they'd be better either removing it completely, or making it usable.
Useless? Far from true. It is obnoxious how slowly I turn with kb/m but I use it exclusively and prefer it, even with restrictions. So no, we don't need an ultimatum-ish, black/white outlook on this. If you don't like it, don't use it. Suggest to your hearts content what changes you feel need be, but you'll gain no traction arguing that it has to be one way or not at all, or that it's worthless because you say so.
Again, I do agree, turning is a pain and it's EASIER to turn with the controller which seems a little whack and perhaps needs addressing, but I'd like it in even with restrictions, changes, limitations, what-have-you, so no, please don't take it out just because it isn't ideal. Thank you. |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.08.31 21:46:00 -
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Haggisman wrote:Simple solution, separate servers for m&kb and pad players.
I'm guessing you don't know anything about this game? They obviously couldn't do that because this is not just FPS #50934. It's an MMO set in one persistent world.
I can just imagine trying to join a battle to help your corp and being told "Nope, sorry. You are using a different controller than the other players in this battle, so you can't help your corp."
Not being able to join a battle with controller users would gimp the mouse far more than a limit on turn speed ever would. You'd barely have anyone to play with.
I mean, seriously, think for a moment before typing. |
Criest Pyrkin
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
16
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Posted - 2012.09.09 23:31:00 -
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Blowtorch McHurrypants wrote:Just as an FYI... CCP has imposed a certain turning speed to the mouse so as to level the playing field between console controllers and M&KB. Mice will always be able to turn faster given the opportunity (it's a physical real-life movement) versus pushing an extreme on a controller joystick and turning at the set speed.
If you are arguing that the imposed turning speed on M&KB is too slow that's fine - just realize they are doing it purposefully to balance with the console turn speeds.
The sluggish turn speed of your mouse will never go away, but you may provide feedback that it is slower than the controller. If its the exact same turn speed, however, you have no legs to stand on.
Well there is the advantage of pressing extreme on on controller for example on turret installations where mouse is absolutely useless, same goes for LAV and HAV turrets. I have my sixaxis always in front of my keyboard in case I need to hop in to one of those.
If they are trying to penalize KBM then at least turn off (adjust the use of hard cap turning in turrets).
Apart from sniping and long range fire fights, its better to play with sixaxis. |
Criest Pyrkin
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
16
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Posted - 2012.09.09 23:34:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:I use KB/M I am usually the highest or second highest killer in any game i play, have you tried turning mouse smoothing off? i noticed that gimps the mouse speed, if that doesn't fix it i'd say the problem is holding onto the mouse.
would you share with us your mouse brand and type? I wonder myself how to increase turning speed not to be killed by circle jerking |
Terminus Decimus
37
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Posted - 2012.09.09 23:51:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:sry if your dreams of finally pwning inferior ds3 players have turned into nightmares
Mine are still dreams! Of course I have been using Mouse and Keyboard since I first started playing DUST due to the EEC. My mouse responds just the same way a DS3 does, except I use my hands instead of my thumbs.
I still don't see how some people think a M/KB is greater than a DS3 anyway, with a mouse you have to swing that thing around and pick it up, reposition it and continue just to track someone doing a 360 around you. While a DS3 user simply holds a stick for continuous movement, some are well trained with thumb sticks some with M/KB, I just happen to be crap with thumbs so I opt for M/KB.
For good players using their respective input types be it DS3 or M/KB the battle between the two will still be equal because both are good with the control type they practice with. |
spammydodger
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.10 07:10:00 -
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Regardless of mouse sesitivity issues. Being able to edit keyboard buttons to where you want them would be great. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.09.10 07:38:00 -
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Haggisman wrote:As a long time PC gamer, unfortunately relegated to the ranks of consolite due to various financial commitments (babies are expensive!!), imagine my excitement when I noticed Dust supported mouse & keyboard! Barely able to contain my emotions, I dusted off (pardon the pun! ) my trusty G500 and Saitek Eclipse and plugged them into the PS3. "Lets go set up my controls" I thought to myself, navigating to the M&KB section of the Neocon. "Oh. I can't... well, maybe they're adding that later, I guess I can figure out what the keys do by trial and error" After much experimentation, I managed to join a battle, and prepared to rain fiery death upon my foes. Or not. "Mouse seems a bit slow, I'll just turn up the sensitivity." 5 minutes later, and having resorted to using the pad because the keyboard controls are extremely unintuitive, I see that the sensitivity is already maxed. "Right, well I'll just turn it up on the mouse then" *tries* "huh... that hasn't really made much difference." Long story short, M&KB is great for sniping, however I couldn't even turn quick enough to track someone running across my screen about 100m away. It also takes 3-4 full lengths of my (larger than normal) mousepad to turn 360 degrees. This really can't be right with a 5700 dpi mouse, and I'm really hoping that CCP decide to do something about this - while I appreciate it's a console game, and pad is of course the standard control method, if you're going to add M&KB support, please please please make it work; there's no point adding it as a feature if it's only going to be tagged on (yes I realise it's a beta and they may have plans to fix it, but the more feedback they get, the more likely they are to fix things, right?) Add fully customisable keymappings, and increase the mouse sensitivity (or at least the sensitivity range so those of us who like our mice twitchy can set it so.) I ended up going back to the pad in frustration, and I hate playing shooters with a pad!
Now that people made clear that the slow turning speed is done on purpose by CCP to guarantee a leveled playing field between DS3 and KBM, i'll give my opinion on the KB.
To me, it is pretty well done ! I play KBM and i'm pretty please by how it's been introduced. I dont feel OP and i can still enjoy the soft touch of a mouse in my hand ^^ Still, there's a bunch of stuff that needs to be adressed.
1) Button mapping is a MUST have. For the sole reason that i play with the game in english and had to set my KB to "english" so i could play with the right button. 2) KBM combo doesnt allow to fulfill every part of the game : Selecting a different spawn point, browsing the map to set an objective etc... doesnt work. and i may have missed a few. (cant seem to have the inertia dampener to activate with the mouse) 3) There's a bug that i will miss once fixed..... I can sprint forever while using my KB. :D Even when stamina is depleted, my character keeps running like hell.
In the end. Despite some adjustments still needed, i'd say it's a pretty good job regarding the KBM combo.
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