chances are this game won't be around in 3 years let alone 10 so i don't understand why people are willing to drink the kool aid so quickly. yes eve has been around for a long time but it is the exception not the rule.and eve is also not a console game wich adhere to a different set of rules.

If the game doesn't appeal to Johnny Bro-shooter, I won't miss his presence. Just like if EVE doesn't appeal to Mary WoW-player I won't miss her either.

CCP games are not designed to appeal to everyone, but to a certain type of player, and EVE has shown that there are enough of that type of player to keep that game growing steadily for about 10 years.

I think DUST will be the same way. Almost everything the OP complained about are things I like, except for obvious things like crashing (it's a beta) and the aforementioned driving controls.

Too bad dust 514 isn't on pc then huh?

Maybe I am getting old, as for some reason I have enjoyed Dust 514 far more than I did Battlefield3 and Starhawk beta.

Maybe it's the depth?
Or perhaps the satisfying gunplay?
or perhaps the slower and more tactical combat?
rpg elements?

Many modern online fps games just seem boring run 'n gun fests where random players rush aimlessly in random directions hoping to get some frags before they get killed by backstab or some dude who just happened to have faster reflexes than he did. Respawn repeat and in the end whine/brag about your K/D or Points.

Not to mention that often in those games it doesn't really matter what weapon you use, as long as it shoots bullets. basically only the firerate and damage seem to vary while range is generally 5m or the end of the world.

Dust is turning into a very care bear game where time played aka skills trumps skill.

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Can you do me a favor and check your in game mail please next time you get a chance? I would like to speak with you some if it's not too much of a problem..

I HATE it how all these new people are joining us and after one week of playing they criticise dust, and its not even a GAME yet, its not a GAME until final release, its a BETA in its current form. I....like many others have been with dust from day one (I want my vet symbol btw!) And we don't appreciate you lot coming in and raining on our parade, if you don't like it leave, if you like it but want to report bugs....then do so, but DON'T f***ing sit there and criticise just to be an A$$ and ruin it for everyone else

Dust is turning into a very care bear game where time played aka skills trumps skill.

I'm not a eve player, been playing shooters online since Q1 and it took me few minutes to figure this game out, I like the skill system and the market. Sure, the hit detection can be a little off from time to time but I still remember my old 56k modem when you had to aim a few meters ahead, where you thought someone would end up. So here is one FPS player who likes the game.

You should have to lead a little bit anyway, bullets aren't instantaneous! You don't have to lead much with the shot guns though, due to bullet spread.

I find myself leading a lot with my shotgun actually, part of it I think is hit detection, it's been wonky for shotguns since the beginning. Also, as you skill up shotgun operation, your bullet spread gets tighter and more accurate.

I'm not a eve player, been playing shooters online since Q1 and it took me few minutes to figure this game out, I like the skill system and the market. Sure, the hit detection can be a little off from time to time but I still remember my old 56k modem when you had to aim a few meters ahead, where you thought someone would end up. So here is one FPS player who likes the game.

then you shoudn't be in the game since only EVE players get beta access? no offense, but glad you like the game ;)

Tribal you're a day one vet? Didn't know that, I thought you started with me during E3 :P

Anyway I agree with you, would like your support here if I don't already have it, I haven't really looked at who everyone posting there is.

And on the Vet symbol that is supposed to be handed out, I believe all closed beta testers are getting them, not just 1st build players.

agreed.
starhawk lasted a week for me. and i have never been a fan of cod/bf. its just running and gunning.

Ok, first off I'm a FPS player, once I heard of Dust I was really excited, this game has a lot of potential, that being said, this game is horrible.

The maps are just open areas of nothing, they are bland and boring, offer no realistic structures or buildings to take advantage of.
Graphics are horrible but I put that aside because it's in beta.
Vehicle controls are a joke, if I'm driving give me R2 as the accelerator, don't bind steering, breaks, and acceleration bound to one stick.
Game constantly crashes.
I fail to see the structure of this game, Dust players are supposed to be thrown into an already populated and functioning society, but every time I pick up the controller and start playing it feels like I'm just playing a cheap FPS. You join a game finish and go back to your Quarters, repeat.
The upgrades and skills system need to be scaled back or simplified, as a FPS player I don't need to sit around and figure out all this extra crap with stats and 5 pages of useless information for each item. Make it simpler, it can be done and should be done.
When you walk why does it seem your trudging threw wet sand..
Hit detection is horrible, I popped off a clip from my pistol right into this guys chest, nothing, so, weapon balance and hit detection need an overhaul.
Oh and let us not forget, the marketplace, you can either work for your upgrades or pay for them, turning this game *like so many others* into rich vs poor. Are we so lazy people can't work for their I game upgrades?
Bottom line, thus game seems to be a Starhawks ripoff, it doesn't appeal to true FPS fans. In fine tuning this game the craters need to keep in mind that this game is a FPS game not an MMORPG, although they are somehow connected... Meh, it's a shooter game, treat it as such. I'll be back in a week to see if there are anymore patches, only time will tell if this game is thrown on top of the "Cheap First Person Sooter" bargain bin.

Opinions are like arse holes .... Everyone has one and they are usually full of crap.