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Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:14:00 -
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So I just played a round on a team that did pretty poorly. Many times we were getting spawn camped and at least 8 times I died seconds after spawning. This is pretty frustrating if you're using a dropsuit and gear bought with AUR, its actually the reason I won't be buying a anymore gear that can be lost with AUR.
Just in my opinion, I'm not gonna spend real money on items I can easily lose in 5 seconds without even having a chance to use them.
Side note, losing items every time I die is really getting old. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:21:00 -
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no its f2p you chose to buy the AUR stuff, AUR stuff should not be better at all. |
Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:30:00 -
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I'm not saying AUR stuff should be better. Their goal is to encourage purchases, and I'm simply giving feedback that I'll have no interest spending money on things lost so easily. Not exactly proposing a solution. |
Mobius Kaethis
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:32:00 -
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I agree with Avenger 245 and would like to tell you that there is an easy solution to your problem, stop using AUR items. They are in no way better than isk items and losing isk items is much less frustrating. Unless having a different colored drop suit is essential to you don't use AUR drop suits. Its so simple! |
Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:54:00 -
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That's the solution for me I agree, but you're missing the point of all this. CCP needs people to buy AUR for the game to survive, and if I don't want to use AUR items they're going to sell less AUR, thus risk not making enough money on the game. So even though there are solutions for me it doesn't help Dust succeed, hence my feedback. |
BlacMage
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:00:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:So I just played a round on a team that did pretty poorly. Many times we were getting spawn camped and at least 8 times I died seconds after spawning. This is pretty frustrating if you're using a dropsuit and gear bought with AUR, its actually the reason I won't be buying a anymore gear that can be lost with AUR.
Just in my opinion, I'm not gonna spend real money on items I can easily lose in 5 seconds without even having a chance to use them.
Side note, losing items every time I die is really getting old.
Militia gear and BPO or used to offset losing ltems with every clone death. Now, do I feel current ISK prices and match rewards place even level one items out of reach? Yes. But you do not have to lose gear every death; the dropsuit fit is 100% your choice. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:46:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:That's the solution for me I agree, but you're missing the point of all this. CCP needs people to buy AUR for the game to survive, and if I don't want to use AUR items they're going to sell less AUR, thus risk not making enough money on the game. So even though there are solutions for me it doesn't help Dust succeed, hence my feedback.
im sure ppl will buy AUR items and put them on the player market for ISK |
Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:46:00 -
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You guys are all missing the point of my post. I'm simply trying to tell CCP they're discouraging me from buying AUR. That's really it |
Willpv3
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:19:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:You guys are all missing the point of my post. I'm simply trying to tell CCP they're discouraging me from buying AUR. That's really it
and you seem to be missing the point. The issue is not the gear. it is you.
1: yes spawn camping happens but not that often. I rarely get shot when spawning. 2: if you see that your getting spawn camped, stop using the expensive gear or aur gear while it's happening. switch back once they have been killed 3: What is discouraging you from buying aur gear is your lack of skills to stay alive. You dieing often is all on you. don't use the expensive stuff or aur gear till you get better at playing. It's like buying a ferrari as a first car for a 16 year old who never drove before. looks pretty but it's not gonna last long. |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:45:00 -
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Where they are going to make money is the skill boosters, when you get one and it runs out, the reduced skill point gain is almost painful. |
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Willpv3
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:58:00 -
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I can see the skill boosters turning into the Dust's PLEX.
player 1:buy skill booster, sell for isk player 2: buy booster with isk
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Son of Kade
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:31:00 -
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Willpv3 wrote:I can see the skill boosters turning into the Dust's PLEX.
player 1:buy skill booster, sell for isk player 2: buy booster with isk
I believe that above as well! even if they open up the market and they only have 1-7 day skill boost and they will go for a good chunk of ISK just imagine if you had extra 30 day skill boost kicking around and you sold one(but id never sell a 30 day SP boost)
And for OP just grind with BPO and militia gear until you can pilot something good and youre skill level at playing the physical game has increased! |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.26 21:28:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:You guys are all missing the point of my post. I'm simply trying to tell CCP they're discouraging me from buying AUR. That's really it What seems to be the problem, and I'll agree with you, is that you get killed much too quickly for it to be worth it for you to spend money on items you're just going to lose from a spawn camp. This applies to ISK purchases as well as AUR purchases. I don't know the statistics about how frequently people are running around in militia gear, but I'm sure I do it more than 50% of the time. Because unless I'm fairly certain I'm going to spawn in a safe area, it's uncommon that I will risk a costly build that I might just lose in 10 seconds.
There are other legitimate ways to address your concern, such as being able to buy permanent dropsuit coloration for a much higher AUR cost, maybe applying it as a BPO into a cosmetic slot. |
Antilles Maximus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
80
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:19:00 -
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Tip of the Day: When you're getting your @$$ handed to you..... spawn militia gear!
Don't knowingly take your most expensive gear into a losing battle and then turn and complain to CCP that you're losing too many suits. Either cut your losses and leave the battle (a very cheap move, might I add) or spawn militia gear and try to take some enemies down with you. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:30:00 -
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I think buying a one time "blank" of the particular level of suit you are wearing that you can then paint and make all of your suits of that level that color would sell much better than what they have now.
They can then even sell different accessories and kits for decorating. |
Ruxven
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:38:00 -
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Do spawns have a sensor feed so you can tell if it's being camped or not? If so, you can make an informed decision about what kind of fitting to use. Most of the time I'm relying on what my teammates in the area can detect. |
Khun-Al
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:54:00 -
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I agree totally with using no AUR items anymore, I would even remove them completely. I have even some suggestions how CCP can make its money for the game with ways that dont advace AUR users. What I would pay real money for...2.0 |
Patches The Hyena
204
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Posted - 2012.08.31 07:59:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:I think buying a one time "blank" of the particular level of suit you are wearing that you can then paint and make all of your suits of that level that color would sell much better than what they have now.
They can then even sell different accessories and kits for decorating.
Way to be one of the few who was actually capable of reading and understanding.
I agree with your idea. If CCP wants to sell cosmetic changes for real money it needs to be permanent. As it is now AUR drop suits are a poor purchase compared to ISK suits and this game will need AUR purchases to survive.
To anyone telling me to run free gear or get better, you missed the Damn point and have incredibly narrow points of view. |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:04:00 -
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Don't wear expensive stuff if you're playing ambush. Don't spawn into any fitting unless you're prepared to lose it.
If you used the AUR gear in ambush and died two seconds later, it's your fault--not that you died, but that you died in expensive gear.
Hell, I'm not going to bother using expensive stuff unless it's in a real Serious Business (TM) battle over territory or something where the outcome matters. |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:06:00 -
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Encharrion wrote:Where they are going to make money is the skill boosters, when you get one and it runs out, the reduced skill point gain is almost painful.
Yeah, I think of it basically as an optional monthly fee. |
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Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:27:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Don't wear expensive stuff if you're playing ambush. Don't spawn into any fitting unless you're prepared to lose it.
If you used the AUR gear in ambush and died two seconds later, it's your fault--not that you died, but that you died in expensive gear.
Hell, I'm not going to bother using expensive stuff unless it's in a real Serious Business (TM) battle over territory or something where the outcome matters.
You missing my point and offering advice that while good, has no relation to the discussion, proves my original post correct. CCP needs to encourage AUR purchases without creating a "pay to win" situation, and as your post proves we are currently not encouraged to use AUR items, and are in fact discouraged to use them in many random matches where tram work is low and the average player will die a fair amount of times.
So in order to actually make more then just skill boosters worth the AUR they need to last longer. Which is why I propose permanent visual modifications to suits through AUR purchases. Stats remain unaffected to prevent "pay to win" but your suit is given a permanent unique appearance. Then AUR purchases would be more likely.
Too many of you won't broaden your view past your own ISK/AUR wallet. Dust will die without people buying AUR, so saying "dont use AUR items" will simply lead to Dust either going away or going subscription based. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.31 09:43:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:no its f2p you chose to buy the AUR stuff, AUR stuff should not be better at all.
Sadly. It is. |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:12:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Encharrion wrote:Where they are going to make money is the skill boosters, when you get one and it runs out, the reduced skill point gain is almost painful. Yeah, I think of it basically as an optional monthly fee.
Sounds disturbingly like a drug habit...
ANYWAY, to the OP, sorry about your lost AURUM, but don't spawn in what you aren't prepared to kidding.
This issue is less about the AURUM, more about kittenty spawns. People can whine all they like about putting down drop uplinks, but how many games make you put down your own spawn because the normal ones suck so damn bad? Closest thing I can think of are the TI in CoD, and those aren't there to replace a kittenty spawn system, just to help you get back to a comfortable camping zone quicker.
In short, they need to fix the damn spawns... AGAIN. |
Patches The Hyena
204
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:00:00 -
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Yeah fixing spawns would be good. Though I still think more creative and worthwhile things to spend AUR on is necessary. When the game is finished I want to be able to support CCP with a reasonable amount of AUR purchased and used, but as it is other then skill boosters everything bought with AUR is a waste of AUR. |
Dura Tas
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:43:00 -
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Quote:1: yes spawn camping happens but not that often. I rarely get shot when spawning. 2: if you see that your getting spawn camped, stop using the expensive gear or aur gear while it's happening. switch back once they have been killed 3: What is discouraging you from buying aur gear is your lack of skills to stay alive. You dieing often is all on you. don't use the expensive stuff or aur gear till you get better at playing. It's like buying a ferrari as a first car for a 16 year old who never drove before. looks pretty but it's not gonna last long.
1. This is not Eve, where one can fly around space for hours on end in high end gear. This is an FPS players die every second. Therefore, AUR needs to go, as a micro transactions, otherwise this particular FPS will quickly lose players instead of growing a fan base. |
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