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Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.25 23:35:00 -
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There seems to be only few people who actually know or want to use the squad leader system in matches. Personally I am starting to feel like only one who actually uses the system.
Are players just oblivious of it's existence or is it just general indifference against the system? Even stupid squad leader is better than inactive one, at least in the previous build the players gained bonus points for following orders. Squad leader also gets rewarded when players follow the orders.
But well for those who don't know how to give commands or order those juicy orbital strikes when squad leader.
Commands:Open up Map (D-pad down) and point something (e.g yourself) and press and hold the x-button -> select a command.
Orbital strikeOrder it up just like you would order a vehicle trough (D-pad Right) -> Orbital support -> opens a map -> point position with as many hostiles as possible. Enjoy the fireworks.
Promote someone else as Squad leaderSelect a player in your squad trough the chat menu squad section (SELECT)
ETEREX wrote:Also, if you hold trigger R2 for the equipment menu wheel and then press thumbstick R3 (I believe) you can select a squad order from the menu wheel. Then aim at your objective and pull trigger R1 to assign the order. To assign orders to a command station you have to aim at the access console and be at a minimum of medium range.
Gridboss wrote: And for those using a mouse and keyboard, you can get the order menu up by clicking and holding the middle mouse button, then pressing Q.
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Liner ReXiandra
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.08.25 23:45:00 -
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It could be a whole lot better.
Assigning a rally / defend order is twitchy, and half of the time when you select the option it doesn't register. I have a feeling it's because of how long you hold X for, or something. You can't set an order on the spawn screen looking at the map. Deploy, wait, bring up map again, twitchy select rallypoint, resume. Then it's hoping anyone will follow it.
Would be nice to have some more canned communications available, like requesting ammo / spawnpoints / deployment of vehicle X at location Y / Blockade position Z.
Currently much easier if you'd just have a mic up and running. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:22:00 -
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Liner ReXiandra wrote:It could be a whole lot better.
Assigning a rally / defend order is twitchy, and half of the time when you select the option it doesn't register. I have a feeling it's because of how long you hold X for, or something. You can't set an order on the spawn screen looking at the map. Deploy, wait, bring up map again, twitchy select rallypoint, resume. Then it's hoping anyone will follow it.
Would be nice to have some more canned communications available, like requesting ammo / spawnpoints / deployment of vehicle X at location Y / Blockade position Z.
Personally I have had only problems with the rally option, capture and defend seem to work fine tough. But yes the system has it's problems. Probably the biggest being that there seems to be no other way than map menu to give commands.
But as whole the system currently seems like some sort of hidden feature which only few people know exists.
Liner ReXiandra wrote: Currently much easier if you'd just have a mic up and running.
Not many people use a Mic and when they do they don't necessary share the same language. Sure people like me can speak, write and understand English but just like any other language it's often very hard to understand anything from foreign language trough all the shooting, poor quality mics and mumbling.
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Mauler McCoy
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:25:00 -
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While I'd like to see more coordination between players, I have to confess myself that it is damn difficult in ANY game to get a little cooperation. The few times I've been in any lobby of any game with a showing of mics, there's always just a buncha people talking about anything and everything under the sun EXCEPT what's really going on. The few times I break in I wind up getting yelled at for even calling out 'sniper in the courtyard'
However, I really think the problem is mostly that everyone is still stuck in Deathmatch mode. You don't think, you don't really plan anything, you just kill. So, if it doesn't immediately help you to get the objective to kill achieved, people aren't going to really do it. I'm sure if you signed up with a squad of people who went in with the intent of either issuing or following orders, you'd get a lot more coordination, not to mention a lot more done. |
ETEREX
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:40:00 -
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Also, if you hold trigger R2 for the equipment menu wheel and then press thumbstick R3 (I believe) you can select a squad order from the menu wheel. Then aim at your objective and pull trigger R1 to assign the order. To assign orders to a command station you have to aim at the access console and be at a minimum of medium range. |
Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
72
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:58:00 -
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So can you actually target a capture point in skirmish and set an attack/defend command? Because every time I try, i can only set rally points to the floor and target ppl, capture points don't register at all, I can't remember right now, but i believe i can't even set a rally point to the floor under those points.
The main issue with this command system is that i have a squad w mics, but i still have to use it, just because it gives free points (in theory, since i can't ******* target anything) so instead of 1 orbital strike per game we can get 2. Still, it would help if the tactical map didn't lag every time you open it, i should be able to issue orders while my squad keep the enemy at bay, but in the 4 secs it takes to open, plus the 2 to get a normal speed, plus the 2 u have to get X pressed to open the display... well, the fight is pretty much decided .
About the R2->R3 thing, i asked a squad mate to stay still, moved till i was at 1 meter of him and tried to set a "defend" on him; NO VALID TARGET wtf? |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.26 10:58:00 -
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Added the R2->R3 thing to the first post.
Lasarte Ioni wrote:So can you actually target a capture point in skirmish and set an attack/defend command? Because every time I try, i can only set rally points to the floor and target ppl, capture points don't register at all, I can't remember right now, but i believe i can't even set a rally point to the floor under those points.
The main issue with this command system is that i have a squad w mics, but i still have to use it, just because it gives free points (in theory, since i can't ******* target anything) so instead of 1 orbital strike per game we can get 2. Still, it would help if the tactical map didn't lag every time you open it, i should be able to issue orders while my squad keep the enemy at bay, but in the 4 secs it takes to open, plus the 2 to get a normal speed, plus the 2 u have to get X pressed to open the display... well, the fight is pretty much decided .
About the R2->R3 thing, i asked a squad mate to stay still, moved till i was at 1 meter of him and tried to set a "defend" on him; NO VALID TARGET wtf?
Oh forgot about the skirmish objective problem, for some really odd reason capture doesn't seem to work on those skirmish points, only for turrets, spawn points etc.
Personally I'll just use a workaround and point my squad to attack someone near the target capture point. It seems to also Tag the enemy, making it hard for him to hide. Not to mention squad will know exactly where he is instead of just seeing him on the map. Really like the feature, as it allows me to play my preferable role as "tactician" (Killzone3) and provide my squad with extra intel to help them finish off the enemy.
As for Defend, Ill just stick near the capture point myself and order my squad to protect me instead, and due to me sitting next to the capture point it pretty much translates to "protect the capture point" |
Gridboss
BetaMax.
185
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Posted - 2012.08.26 11:10:00 -
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We usually just set a defend order on one of the squad members, usually the squad leader. If there's a vehicle in the squad, that's usually the best target.
And for those using a mouse and keyboard, you can get the order menu up by clicking and holding the middle mouse button, then pressing Q. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.26 11:21:00 -
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Gridboss wrote:We usually just set a defend order on one of the squad members, usually the squad leader. If there's a vehicle in the squad, that's usually the best target.
And for those using a mouse and keyboard, you can get the order menu up by clicking and holding the middle mouse button, then pressing Q.
Thanks for the M+K how to, added it to the 1st post.
Please do spread the word about this, so we will start seeing more activity on the squad leader front. Seems there's even a party system in place trough the squad menu as well. |
dude321
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:30:00 -
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Ya I had no clue at all you could do that |
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JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:31:00 -
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Kyy Seiska wrote:There seems to be only few people who actually know or want to use the squad leader system in matches. Personally I am starting to feel like only one who actually uses the system. Are players just oblivious of it's existence or is it just general indifference against the system? Even stupid squad leader is better than inactive one, at least in the previous build the players gained bonus points for following orders. Squad leader also gets rewarded when players follow the orders. But well for those who don't know how to give commands or order those juicy orbital strikes when squad leader. Commands:Open up Map (D-pad down) and point something (e.g yourself) and press and hold the x-button -> select a command. Orbital strikeOrder it up just like you would order a vehicle trough (D-pad Right) -> Orbital support -> opens a map -> point position with as many hostiles as possible. Enjoy the fireworks. Promote someone else as Squad leaderSelect a player in your squad trough the chat menu squad section (SELECT) ETEREX wrote:Also, if you hold trigger R2 for the equipment menu wheel and then press thumbstick R3 (I believe) you can select a squad order from the menu wheel. Then aim at your objective and pull trigger R1 to assign the order. To assign orders to a command station you have to aim at the access console and be at a minimum of medium range. Gridboss wrote: And for those using a mouse and keyboard, you can get the order menu up by clicking and holding the middle mouse button, then pressing Q.
I've been trying to figure this out forever. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:34:00 -
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Most do not know of it's exsistance. CCP I will say fumbled on the frago, and squad leader abilities. Also it does not function properly nine times out of ten. It needs more work then most issues in Dust514. |
Ayella Della
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.26 17:43:00 -
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do you loose the ability to call in an orbtal strike when you die after it tells you that you have it? |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.26 20:01:00 -
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Ayella Della wrote:do you loose the ability to call in an orbtal strike when you die after it tells you that you have it?
No, you can use it the next time you spawn. It's recommended to use it at some safe location, as you can't really see or do anything else when you are selecting the target point from the map. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.08.26 20:30:00 -
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Just to emphasize, You can tell if you are squad leader by hitting select in the war barge lobby. If your name has some chevrons by it in the squad menu you are the leader. If you're like my you cross your fingers and say "please don't make me leader, please don't make me leader."when playing random games.
If using the DS3 you can assign squad orders using the targeting reticle of your weapon.
Hold R2 until you get the weapon/ equipment selection tool. Click R3 (I think that is it, button on right analog stick) and you will get the squad leader orders menu. Move the analog stick around the wheel to select one.
You will see the order next to your weapon reticle. Hit R1 (trigger) and tag an objective. This works really well for rally as you can set that point in a precise location in the environment. Also works on the fly but need great reflexes and three hands...
As far as I can tell you get a 1.5 multiplier for any actions you do near a "defend" "attack" "capture" tagged objective. You get nothing for rally.
Tagging individual mercs with "defend" or "attack" seems hit or miss. Tagging yourself, the squad leader, with "defend" also doesn't seem to net the multiplier consistently, if at all.
As has been pointed out tagging a vehicle or other asset with a lot of hp with "defend" is a good approach. If you want to get your squad to defend an A, B, C, etc. objective it works to call in a vehicle and just park it near the point and tag it. Sort of a clunky work around.
You can also cancel an order which is a very helpful thing to do if it is no longer relevant. Sort of pointless to set a rally point at the beginning of the match and just leave it there the whole time when objectives change. People will run to the rally point once and if it just stays there will start to ignore any other squad orders in random pick up matches.
Try doing something like place a drop uplink, tag it with rally when your squad is roaming the map, tag a cru with capture when they start to spawn in at the uplink, just for practice.
And yes, the squad leader commission is a really nice addition. Makes tagging all those objectives much more than a thankless self sacrifice. |
Sees-Too-Much
332
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Posted - 2012.08.26 20:40:00 -
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If you're a HAV driver then being squad leader is pretty awesome. Assign your HAV a defend order. If your squaddies get in with you you'll get +75 WP every time they kill someone, on top of the vehicle kill assist bonus. Even if they don't, hopefully they'll stick around and help keep swarms and AV grenades off you.
I'd love to see this done with spider tanking HAVs, too, where you'd get a squad leader commission every time your squaddie in the other HAV heals you. |
Zan'aar Nexhawk
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:04:00 -
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I'm really enjoying the feature too, as it sometimes helps a lot and gets all squadmates together, even if we've been assigned in one squad randomly. However, it would be even greater if:
1) as it has been already mentioned, command points would allow setting a Capture order on them; 2) we'd be able to set a Defend order on a drop uplink.
In my opinion, the last point is especially useful in Ambush if there is someone setting an uplink in the area. At least that's what I always try to do. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.27 11:43:00 -
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Zan'aar Nexhawk wrote:I'm really enjoying the feature too, as it sometimes helps a lot and gets all squadmates together, even if we've been assigned in one squad randomly. However, it would be even greater if:
1) as it has been already mentioned, command points would allow setting a Capture order on them; 2) we'd be able to set a Defend order on a drop uplink.
In my opinion, the last point is especially useful in Ambush if there is someone setting an uplink in the area. At least that's what I always try to do.
Personally I like to set the squad to myself when playing TDM/Ambush, moving as a group really increases the survival rate in that Game mode. Mainly due to the completely random spawn system where enemies can literally spawn behind you. The spawn system might even use some algorithms to prevent players spawning in midst of enemy group making it even more effective.
Sure your team mates might kill steal a few kills from you, but at least they you and they die less which is kinda the point in the whole game mode. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.28 10:03:00 -
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Zan'aar Nexhawk wrote: In my opinion, the last point is especially useful in Ambush if there is someone setting an uplink in the area. At least that's what I always try to do.
Haven't tested it so I am wondering are there any commands that can be assigned to drop-uplinks and those things that give you ammunition. They do show in the map after all.
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Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2012.08.28 10:09:00 -
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Just give us a "Request Leadership" and "Request Orders" option....
One starting a team vote to be answered with square or circle and the other announcing your squad leader that he is asleep. |
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Patches The Hyena
204
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Posted - 2012.08.28 10:11:00 -
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I love having an active squad leader. Being ordered to defend and getting 125 points per kill or 65 per assist in that area is great points. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:50:00 -
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Seran Jinkar wrote:Just give us a "Request Leadership" and "Request Orders" option....
One starting a team vote to be answered with square or circle and the other announcing your squad leader that he is asleep.
Yeah it's somewhat annoying that so many don't even know how/bother to abandon their squad leader position so that someone who knows/bothers could fill the role.
Hopefully more people will read the first post of this thread and notice that the feature exists and we start seeing more active squad leaders in the game.
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Ferocitan
22
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Posted - 2012.08.29 12:56:00 -
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Q: what is the criteria to acuire an orbital bombqrdment now? killstreak **** or something better? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.08.29 13:00:00 -
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I wish we didn't have to choose an actual item on the map to defend, I'd much rather be able to tell my squad to defend any given area. Using the R2 method is fairly fluid for me, though I wish you could assign a rally to yourself this way, though it's just a minor nitpick. I notice not too many people seem to pay attention to squad commands, guess I just need to squad up with some guys with mics.
Probably not a bad idea now that I might be switching to dropships anyways.... |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.29 13:32:00 -
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Ferocitan wrote:Q: what is the criteria to acuire an orbital bombqrdment now? killstreak **** or something better?
It could also be related to points squad or leader has received. |
Grenwal Hiesenberg
Shadow Company HQ
226
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Posted - 2012.08.30 03:14:00 -
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Thank you so much for this post, it has already helped immensely. It's a little tricky in battle but I guess you get used to it after a while. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:57:00 -
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Grenwal Hiesenberg wrote:Thank you so much for this post, it has already helped immensely. It's a little tricky in battle but I guess you get used to it after a while.
Yeah, you can't really do it while in middle of combat but it's still pretty rewarding.
Just last time when I was squad leader, ordered my team to defend that was attacking one of the enemy infested zones in ambush. Got shiploads of points in a rapid succession, maybe 200-300? in 10s or so.
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Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:59:00 -
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I already suggested it: Give us a "Request Orders" and "Start Squad Leader Vote" Option |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.09 09:28:00 -
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Due to recent increase in new players entering the game I think this information is worth a bump. There are still far to few players using the squad orders and orbital strikes. |
LivewireProblem
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.09.09 09:56:00 -
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^ This
I didnt even know that this feature existed :o Even better, it give's you a BP bonus within the active area, i'm on this next time i get on DUST.
Thanks for the head up OP :) |
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Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion
50
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Posted - 2012.09.09 10:01:00 -
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Does anyone know of a way to apply squad orders to myself? It would be great if I didn't have to open the minimap. If there's no way to do this perhaps we should request that it be linked to the knife button (R3) or similar, since that would be fairly fluid. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.09 11:44:00 -
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Currently haven't found away to do that, but the squad-command system is only half functional so you only get bonus points.
- If squad member captures a point you have ordered him to capture (don't capture it yourself if you want points, instead wait until the member starts capturing and then assist him to get the reward.
- Defend object only yields bonus points only if the target is a allied vehicle, allied clone spawn point, ammunition storage. This means defend the squad leader command only tells your team to defend you but they get no rewards doing so if you are not in a vehicle. Then the squad members and leader gets rewarded from kills near the defendable target (area is wider than the circle shown in the map so don't take unnecessary risks just to stay inside the circle) |
D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
266
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Posted - 2012.09.09 11:47:00 -
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My heart sinks when I see my squad and I am not the leader. I just know the squad is gonna be split and not know what the hell they are supposed to be doing.
+1 to the OP for bringing this to the attention of the newer players and quite possibly a few of the older ones. |
xxBIG DIRTYxx
19
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Posted - 2012.09.09 12:04:00 -
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Mauler McCoy wrote:While I'd like to see more coordination between players, I have to confess myself that it is damn difficult in ANY game to get a little cooperation. The few times I've been in any lobby of any game with a showing of mics, there's always just a buncha people talking about anything and everything under the sun EXCEPT what's really going on. The few times I break in I wind up getting yelled at for even calling out 'sniper in the courtyard'
However, I really think the problem is mostly that everyone is still stuck in Deathmatch mode. You don't think, you don't really plan anything, you just kill. So, if it doesn't immediately help you to get the objective to kill achieved, people aren't going to really do it. I'm sure if you signed up with a squad of people who went in with the intent of either issuing or following orders, you'd get a lot more coordination, not to mention a lot more done. Yes indeed, get to know the team players and roll with them. Issueing and following orders is a fine way to make massive SP and negate the effects of diminishing returns, i.e. 'gettin paid'. And keep on calling out snipers, tanks etc... ( and use the command wheel its faster and can be done on the fly..... R2 + R3, select command then aim with reticle and shoot command R1). |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:04:00 -
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xxBIG DIRTYxx wrote:Mauler McCoy wrote:While I'd like to see more coordination between players, I have to confess myself that it is damn difficult in ANY game to get a little cooperation. The few times I've been in any lobby of any game with a showing of mics, there's always just a buncha people talking about anything and everything under the sun EXCEPT what's really going on. The few times I break in I wind up getting yelled at for even calling out 'sniper in the courtyard'
However, I really think the problem is mostly that everyone is still stuck in Deathmatch mode. You don't think, you don't really plan anything, you just kill. So, if it doesn't immediately help you to get the objective to kill achieved, people aren't going to really do it. I'm sure if you signed up with a squad of people who went in with the intent of either issuing or following orders, you'd get a lot more coordination, not to mention a lot more done. Yes indeed, get to know the team players and roll with them. Issueing and following orders is a fine way to make massive SP and negate the effects of diminishing returns, i.e. 'gettin paid'. And keep on calling out snipers, tanks etc... ( and use the command wheel its faster and can be done on the fly..... R2 + R3, select command then aim with reticle and shoot command R1).
Yeah it's pretty handy that you can spot and mark enemies with the Attack command it could potentially save lives in your squad. Too bad only the squad can see it. Maybe in the future there will be a weapon/equipment for the same purpose. |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:41:00 -
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Is there a difference between defending an objective and ordering to rally at an objective? I mean strictly in terms of the squad bonus points. Often I dont end up getting many squad members to actually follow the order.
If the order is to defend a target, do only kills near the objective count? Seems that way in vehicles anyway.
Edit: Also sometimes its difficult to give an order when you are in a vehicle. Dropships tend to blow themselves up sometimes from bouncing on terrian as you are in the squad command menu. I've noticed it in tanks too but it wasnt as bad. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.09 15:08:00 -
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Yes, kills near the objective only count and the thing you defend needs to be a vehicle, spawn point or ammunition storage. The area is wider than the circle tough so feel free to spread around bit.
Rally and attack don't seem to give anything at least for Squad-leader. |
City Fan
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.09.09 20:32:00 -
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Seran Jinkar wrote:I already suggested it: Give us a "Request Orders" and "Start Squad Leader Vote" Option
or the ones who have mics.... when i can get them to work.. i only heard voices in one game so far..
so how do you ask for help etc then.. defending, rally etc.... i see no menus or buttons that do it.. but i have been awarded that 'orbital command' 2 or 3 times... didnt even realise it was a weapon to fire.... how did i get it without ordering anyone? were my squad just near me or something?? its very rare for that |
Prince Ombra
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.09.09 20:49:00 -
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Orbital strikes are awarded after a team gets a certain number of Warpoints (for killng, hacking, reviving, etc). It's only squad commanders who can order them but I believe everyone on the team knows when they become active. |
The-Truth02
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.09.09 21:02:00 -
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This is Great info to have, I knew there was a way to give orders, but hadn't figured it out before, I really don't think this is common knowledge... so I'll bump the **** out of this post to get the word out if I have to.. |
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