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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:09:00 -
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I don't care what anyone says, the strafing speed of higher level scout suits is over the top. .6 might not seem like much of a difference, but in practice it certainly is. The sprint and straight line speed is fine, but the lateral strafing speed needs to be looked at. I know they have reduced fitting space. I know they're tender if they stand still, but only a terrible scout is actually going to stand still. In my Dragonfly suit I can outrun grenades and run circles around everyone with an SMG or AR until they're dead. There's no way they're going to kill me unless I get caught up in terrain or they bring three other people, and even then, I'll kill two of them before I go down. It's so bad I can literally unload an entire clip into someone and continue strafing while I reload and kill off his friends, no need to even switch weapons.
I don't like to call for nerfs and I rarely even sign on to them, but with this build, there's really no reason to spec into anything but scout. If it means giving scout an armor and shield boost to compensate for a lowering of strafing speed, then so be it.
This thread is going to generate a ton of hate but so be it, Scout is over the top. |
Bo Tracta
Celtic Anarchy
56
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:11:00 -
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If there was a weapon that could slow enemies down it would be great. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:14:00 -
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Bo Tracta wrote:If there was a weapon that could slow enemies down it would be great.
I'd give my left nut for a Stasis web. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:15:00 -
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NO NERF CLUB
Adjust the strafe speed of everyone else. |
Drake Gro'Dar
19
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:20:00 -
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Im a heavy so scouts can run circles around me but most of the time I win because I lead my shots, nothing more satisfying then watching a scout jump into the stream of death that my HMG spits out lol. But I'll agree scouts do move fast it could be toned down just alittle and let them retain their edge in battle |
pjwarrior long
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:22:00 -
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scouts are meant to be very good at speed tanking so they are good at close range. But if someone is in a scout suit far away, it is pretty easy to kill him... I know by first hand experience on both sides of the battle. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:22:00 -
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Scout suits sucks. They don't have the best fitting loadout unlike Logistic. |
Leo Plaude
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:24:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Bo Tracta wrote:If there was a weapon that could slow enemies down it would be great. I'd give my left nut for a Stasis web.
I'd accept any form of EVE electronic warfare that has been down-sized for the surface fight!
But I'd like to keep my left nut... It's the only one I have left after that scout knifed me in the groin. |
Koranra
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:32:00 -
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What about a stasis web grenade, or equipment that you drop. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:39:00 -
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I think this would be a very delicate change, if the speed were lowered just a little too much, it would make them sitting ducks. I think letting people swing around just a little faster would help a lot, and you also have to consider that the hit detection is still kind of wonky. I run scouts, but I've been running scouts since the second build, they're just very fun to play ^_^ |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:51:00 -
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Garr, it's just the fact everyone else sucks. Scouts are lol funny when you have an assault SMG. They just fall down dead. If there is a problem I agree with Crimson. Bring others up instead of bringing the scout down. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:59:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Garr, it's just the fact everyone else sucks. Scouts are lol funny when you have an assault SMG. They just fall down dead. If there is a problem I agree with Crimson. Bring others up instead of bringing the scout down.
As much as I'd like to take credit for being better than most, I can't really do that. I think I'm an upper mid-level player so it's not me being better. I'm fine with being able to do certain things in a scout suit better than the other suits, but I just feel that the strafing is a tad too high. It should be the highest strafing suit, but right now I think it's too much. |
The Goram Batman
13
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Posted - 2012.08.24 05:39:00 -
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I personally haven't had an issue with the Scout suits. You just have to compensate your aim a little bit, and make sure they don't get close and you're good. You only need a few shots through their paper thin health and they're dead. |
Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
353
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Posted - 2012.08.24 05:43:00 -
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No amount of lateral speed can dodge a well placed Mass Driver round's splash damage. Try it, it works wonderfully against the scout suit.
Come at me Scout bros.... |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.08.24 05:44:00 -
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Well some people are using heavy's with a shotgun as a counter. Saw that allready too many times happening when a scout outruns a heavy he just gets a shotgun. Cause 1 hit with a shotgun on a scout= dead. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:08:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Garr, it's just the fact everyone else sucks. Scouts are lol funny when you have an assault SMG. They just fall down dead. If there is a problem I agree with Crimson. Bring others up instead of bringing the scout down.
Sure I run SMG. Got killed by Ignatious in a scout suit and I was in assault using my SMG sidearm. Then I went back in a scout suit and tried my SMG again with no damage on the enemy. Then I went with my SHOTGUN and SCOUT combo and after 8 shots at POINTBLANK range I was DEAD again and Ing was there with ZERO damage from all my SHOTGUN shots.
How about we FIX! the hit detection issues!!
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:16:00 -
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You are saying a light and agile suit is light and agile? |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:34:00 -
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You really hate me, you really hate me! Oh your tears! So damn delicious... Yum!
No, but seriously everytime I see a thread complaining, and griefing over scouts I just laugh. People act like we are invincible. We're not for your information. Ha-ha.
I'll tell you what -- convince CCP to release the operator and command dropsuits and I'll stop playing spec ops scout. No, seriously I'm already borderlining on ditching scout simply because, everyone is conforming to it! I hate conformist! UGH! I swear it feels like MAG all over again. How? Because, everyone griefed, whined, complained and moaned about SVER. Then the exodus happened when conformist cry babies left their respective PMC's to join SVER. Oh lord... I hate people.
Seriously. Now cry more tears! Mwuahahaha!
Edit:
Just to so everyone understands some sarcasm is present upon this posting. |
LIEUTENANT JORDAN
BetaMax.
7
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:49:00 -
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Scout are not good just because they have good strafe/movement speed. They are good because of the added lag and inconsistent hit detection which i do not believe is something that ccp is not can just easily change or fix. Once lag and hit detection are improved they wont seem OP at all.
Tips for fighting them: Keep your distance , try to get them out in the open areas, and obviously lead you targets. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:51:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:You really hate me, you really hate me! Oh your tears! So damn delicious... Yum! No, but seriously everytime I see a thread complaining, and griefing over scouts I just laugh. People act like we are invincible. We're not for your information. Ha-ha. I'll tell you what -- convince CCP to release the operator and command dropsuits and I'll stop playing spec ops scout. No, seriously I'm already borderlining on ditching scout simply because, everyone is conforming to it! I hate conformist! UGH! I swear it feels like MAG all over again. How? Because, everyone griefed, whined, complained and moaned about SVER. Then the exodus happened when conformist cry babies left their respective PMC's to join SVER. Oh lord... I hate people. Seriously. Now cry more tears! Mwuahahaha! Edit: Just to so everyone understands some sarcasm is present upon this posting.
Please inform me on what was sarcastic |
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:54:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:You really hate me, you really hate me! Oh your tears! So damn delicious... Yum! No, but seriously everytime I see a thread complaining, and griefing over scouts I just laugh. People act like we are invincible. We're not for your information. Ha-ha. I'll tell you what -- convince CCP to release the operator and command dropsuits and I'll stop playing spec ops scout. No, seriously I'm already borderlining on ditching scout simply because, everyone is conforming to it! I hate conformist! UGH! I swear it feels like MAG all over again. How? Because, everyone griefed, whined, complained and moaned about SVER. Then the exodus happened when conformist cry babies left their respective PMC's to join SVER. Oh lord... I hate people. Seriously. Now cry more tears! Mwuahahaha! Edit: Just to so everyone understands some sarcasm is present upon this posting. Please inform me on what was sarcastic
The lack of your period? No, but seriously where is that period? Ha-ha.
I kidd, I kidd. |
Icedslayer
56
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:00:00 -
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I hate to burst your bubble but Scouts aren't invincible. Hit detection along with lag and low/choppy Fps makes them seem invincible, but among all that there are many things that will take scouts out very easily, Any Anti-infantry grenade, Mass drivers, Shotguns(scare me the most cause of the instant death), Charged Sniper rifle, Forge gun, and if your a good shot the scrambler pistol (takes only a hand full of shots). Should the Strafe speed be nerfed, i don't personally think so. I think if you nerf 1 of the 2 critical aspects of being a Scout (Speed and fast shield recharge) your basically turning it into a weak Assault suite. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:03:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:You really hate me, you really hate me! Oh your tears! So damn delicious... Yum! No, but seriously everytime I see a thread complaining, and griefing over scouts I just laugh. People act like we are invincible. We're not for your information. Ha-ha. I'll tell you what -- convince CCP to release the operator and command dropsuits and I'll stop playing spec ops scout. No, seriously I'm already borderlining on ditching scout simply because, everyone is conforming to it! I hate conformist! UGH! I swear it feels like MAG all over again. How? Because, everyone griefed, whined, complained and moaned about SVER. Then the exodus happened when conformist cry babies left their respective PMC's to join SVER. Oh lord... I hate people. Seriously. Now cry more tears! Mwuahahaha! Edit: Just to so everyone understands some sarcasm is present upon this posting. Please inform me on what was sarcastic The lack of your period? No, but seriously where is that period? Ha-ha. I kidd, I kidd.
Seriously I'm not sure if you like or hate scouts |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:06:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:I hate to burst your bubble but Scouts aren't invincible. Hit detection along with lag and low/choppy Fps makes them seem invincible, but among all that there are many things that will take scouts out very easily, Any Anti-infantry grenade, Mass drivers, Shotguns(scare me the most cause of the instant death), Charged Sniper rifle, Forge gun, and if your a good shot the scrambler pistol (takes only a hand full of shots). Should the Strafe speed be nerfed, i don't personally think so. I think if you nerf 1 of the 2 critical aspects of being a Scout (Speed and fast shield recharge) your basically turning it into a weak Assault suite.
Yup. I have tried to tell them how easy it is to kill us, but people want another SVER. Something to grief over, and complain. Then like conformist something they can ruin by being it. Griefing and queefing. Yup.
Everyone bust out your orange and black trash bags! Oh and do not forget duct tape. Lots, and lots of duct tape. They should just make the SVER suit the scout. Instead of the logistical dropsuit. Ha-ha.
No, but seriously we die very easily. Stub you're toe? Thats eighty percent of your shields. Fall two feet off a ledge? All of your shields and twenty percent of your health. We're sickly, and die too easily. XD |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:14:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:You really hate me, you really hate me! Oh your tears! So damn delicious... Yum! No, but seriously everytime I see a thread complaining, and griefing over scouts I just laugh. People act like we are invincible. We're not for your information. Ha-ha. I'll tell you what -- convince CCP to release the operator and command dropsuits and I'll stop playing spec ops scout. No, seriously I'm already borderlining on ditching scout simply because, everyone is conforming to it! I hate conformist! UGH! I swear it feels like MAG all over again. How? Because, everyone griefed, whined, complained and moaned about SVER. Then the exodus happened when conformist cry babies left their respective PMC's to join SVER. Oh lord... I hate people. Seriously. Now cry more tears! Mwuahahaha! Edit: Just to so everyone understands some sarcasm is present upon this posting. Please inform me on what was sarcastic The lack of your period? No, but seriously where is that period? Ha-ha. I kidd, I kidd. Seriously I'm not sure if you like or hate scouts
I like the scout. I play the equivalent of a scout in most FPS titles I play. I play quick and hit harder. What I dislike above all else are conformist. People are jumping ship and joining the scout ranks just because, they believe any and everything. If you put it on the interent -- well the stupid flock to it, and believe it. Same happened to SVER in MAG. I'm dreading this happening to Dust514. It's lame. Granted I'll give you the scout is annoying at times. Frame rate may play an issue during certain situations, but overall? Scouts are parafin paper. People over exaggerate and stretch the truths. It starts with one person complaining, and someone buys into it, and then another, and another. It's a cascade affect. Look at history, and you'll see a pattern. People do it to themselves.
I was serious. I am borderlining leaving the scout behind simply because, of conformist. I just want my command suit though. Been asking for that since day one of the E3 build. Yup. Selfish? Maybe. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:20:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:You really hate me, you really hate me! Oh your tears! So damn delicious... Yum! No, but seriously everytime I see a thread complaining, and griefing over scouts I just laugh. People act like we are invincible. We're not for your information. Ha-ha. I'll tell you what -- convince CCP to release the operator and command dropsuits and I'll stop playing spec ops scout. No, seriously I'm already borderlining on ditching scout simply because, everyone is conforming to it! I hate conformist! UGH! I swear it feels like MAG all over again. How? Because, everyone griefed, whined, complained and moaned about SVER. Then the exodus happened when conformist cry babies left their respective PMC's to join SVER. Oh lord... I hate people. Seriously. Now cry more tears! Mwuahahaha! Edit: Just to so everyone understands some sarcasm is present upon this posting. Please inform me on what was sarcastic The lack of your period? No, but seriously where is that period? Ha-ha. I kidd, I kidd. Seriously I'm not sure if you like or hate scouts I like the scout. I play the equivalent of a scout in most FPS titles I play. I play quick and hit harder. What I dislike above all else are conformist. People are jumping ship and joining the scout ranks just because, they believe any and everything. If you put it on the interent -- well the stupid flock to it, and believe it. Same happened to SVER in MAG. I'm dreading this happening to Dust514. It's lame. Granted I'll give you the scout is annoying at times. Frame rate may play an issue during certain situations, but overall? Scouts are parafin paper. People over exaggerate and stretch the truths. It starts with one person complaining, and someone buys into it, and then another, and another. It's a cascade affect. Look at history, and you'll see a pattern. People do it to themselves. I was serious. I am borderlining leaving the scout behind simply because, of conformist. I just want my command suit though. Been asking for that since day one of the E3 build. Yup. Selfish? Maybe. no matter what suit you choose, you're still a conformist [:twisted:] people are just tired of not being able to hit scouts and decided to use them against you. It's not conforming, it's adapting sociopath
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:24:00 -
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Eh.. No. Also they are not killing me. Infact my deaths occur most by assaults, and heavies. Tanks leading in third place with scouts in fourth, and logisticals in last next to dropships. Which oddly enough this build I have not been squished by yet?! Whoa. Still. No.
Also context?
"It's adapting sociopath." |
Ashe Kelly
Doomheim
9
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:27:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Bo Tracta wrote:If there was a weapon that could slow enemies down it would be great. I'd give my left nut for a Stasis web.
Target painter would be awesome too. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:29:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Eh.. No. Also they are not killing me. Infact my deaths occur most by assaults, and heavies. Tanks leading in third place with scouts in fourth, and logisticals in last next to dropships. Which oddly enough this build I have not been squished by yet?! Whoa. Still. No.
Also context?
"It's adapting sociopath."
It's show by your tendency to call people conformist |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:33:00 -
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Ah. Uh-huh. Well that is a gross accusation. Funny, but still a gross accusation. |
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