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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:18:00 -
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Will be calling in tanks in every ambush I'm in because they are OP and shoulndt be in a simple TDM game.
If this upsets you good post about it and request a non tank game mode or somthign inventive. |
Pezz IsDank
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
171
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:19:00 -
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STINK PICKLE WARRIORS wrote:He is talking about being able to change your load out so you can go AV. Nanohives dont do that.. Guess no one actually reads what he was actually saying
Yup, keyboard warriors are quick to react before comprehending what they read.
I agree that TDM needs resupply depots as well. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:21:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Will be calling in tanks in every ambush I'm in because they are OP and shoulndt be in a simple TDM game.
If this upsets you good post about it and request a non tank game mode or somthign inventive.
That's honestly hilarious. HAVs aren't worth the money to buy the hull with how badly they've been nerfed. Soon as you try that in a match with some AV grenade users, you're going to be a smoking wreck in seconds. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:34:00 -
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Yea its like this underpowered tank I'm in right now hasnt gone thu 12 games unscathed so far.
Lol tanks
Alos I'm rubbish in it which just makes it more funny |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:37:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Yea its like this underpowered tank I'm in right now hasnt gone thu 12 games unscathed so far.
Lol tanks
Alos I'm rubbish in it which just makes it more funny
All that says is that you're constantly going up against stupid people who think they should be able to fight you with assault rifles and AI grenades. |
Neonara Arn
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:44:00 -
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I honestly feel that tanks are fine in ambush on some maps, but the very small tightly packed maps with no supply points or anything probably shouldn't have them.. But then, I just find the maps without supply points to be annoying.
This is as someone who generally carries nanohives in their standard loadout. It's not an ammo problem, it's a flexibility problem. There should be a way to make the needed tactical decision to defeat your enemy without dying. Now, how to handle this i'm not sure, as it seems only having ambush maps with supply points or having ambush maps be vehicle-free are not the best solutions (though I think indoor/small ambush maps that are vehicle free might be fun, but for other reasons).
The best solution would be an other way to change fits, I'm just not sure what a balanced way to do this would be. A deployable similar to the nanohive would be extremely overpowered unless they found a way to balance it, but that seems hard to do. A way to be extracted without dying (similar to what has been suggested for vehicles) might be a solution, but again hard to balance and not all that sensical.
I realize that once installations are in the game then the commander (only the commander in the mcc will be able to deploy installations, yes?) will have the ability to deploy supply points, though at this stage afaik there are no mccs in ambush, so I'm not sure if that will actually matter. If ambush does end up having that option then it could solve it well enough for me.. at a cost, certainly, but who said flexibility comes cheap? If you are fighting using extremely expensive equipment, that flexibility may well be worth it.
In any event, I think the flexibility needs to be there so that adapting doesn't need to mean dying, if you play (and pay) well enough. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:42:00 -
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Doh shouldnt have said anything just got caught out by a rail turret doh |
Sergeant Wiznowski
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:46:00 -
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I am not sure what CCP wants to achieve with Ambush maps design. TDM is with FPS games from the beginning and it is usually smallish Close Quarters Combat map focused on infantry. Big open maps with vehicles are designed for Conquest, Conquest Assault mode.
If you want to applaud to CQC fans you design smaller maps like communication and biomass last build - instant action all the time.
Big maps need objectives i.e get to point A and hold it/destroy or protect the VIP that could be fun otherwise is hide and seek. Good map and mode design forces teamwork. Scenario that VIP is protected by tanks and ambushed on the way make sense and gives purpose to fight.
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Ashe Kelly
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:51:00 -
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There are going to be people who decided that they want to specialize in tank driving in the main game. Which will probably take months worth of training to get all the skills they want to be effective. We shouldn't bar an entire skillset from certain game modes because you didn't like it.
Instead, beat them by working with your team. |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:57:00 -
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The only restriction that I'm in favor of is limiting the meta level when we get high/low/null sec stuff. All of our maps appear to be in null sec, so anything goes. Bring it all in if you want. Can't beat them, then join them, or get an AV fit and try to kill them. |
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Ashe Kelly
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.24 08:00:00 -
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If they enemy has a lot of assault launcher drakes and all you got are frigates then maybe the problem is with your team consistency rather than with the game design.
This is why I think instant action is a bad idea. Things like team consistency and teamwork are supposed to be incredibly important but here it's so chaotic and random that winning and losing might as well be a dice roll. |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:34:00 -
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Every point I get now will be going on tanks. 
Might take a while though as I get about a game completed about every hour or more with this constantly freezing and locking up.
Oh and of course if my ps3 survives it.  |
Ashe Kelly
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:39:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:Every point I get now will be going on tanks. Might take a while though as I get about a game completed about every hour or more with this constantly freezing and locking up. Oh and of course if my ps3 survives it.
Good luck to you.
They're tough to use and expect a lot of frustration and tears along the way.
I specialized in tanks in the last build and it was really difficult to train for. |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.24 20:22:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Yea its like this underpowered tank I'm in right now hasnt gone thu 12 games unscathed so far.
Lol tanks
Alos I'm rubbish in it which just makes it more funny
@ ashe kelly.... Get real will ya. So you find it hard in a tank and can't FPS. Geuss I don't need to tell you what you should go back to playing.  |
Ashe Kelly
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.24 20:53:00 -
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It WAS difficult. At least last time I played. I haven't driven a tank this build yet.
The biggest enemy of a tank by far were the Forge Guns. These tiny difficult to spot pixels that could take down nearly all your health in a few shots. Did those get nerfed? |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:25:00 -
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@ Ashe kelly.
Yup course they did, they were the only real threat to tanks. What we got now ?, oh yeah grenades. lol. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:27:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:@ Ashe kelly.
Yup course they did, they were the only real threat to tanks. What we got now ?, oh yeah grenades. lol.
If you can't take a tank down with swarms, you really need to rethink your strategies. |
oneshytalk
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:32:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:oneshytalk wrote:@ Ashe kelly.
Yup course they did, they were the only real threat to tanks. What we got now ?, oh yeah grenades. lol. If you can't take a tank down with swarms, you really need to rethink your strategies.
Strategies ? Oh yeah. There are 2 strategies.
1. Leave battle so jonny talentless doesn't add you to his ridiculous tally of kills.
2. Get your own tank. |
Domingo Cervezas
Cult of the Warrior
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:36:00 -
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I only read the first few posts...
One of my best matches I ever had was taking out 2 tanks and tons of jeeps. The other side was just spamming jeeps. AV Grenades are cheap, they are in all my fits. Personally I hope a bigger skill tree is implemented with grenades, would like to see some fleshing out.
When I ride in someones tank I watch the shields, they get eaten up suddenly and I bail out. I trust my Assault suit over someones tank any day.
I've had some matches where my performance was horrible but I got decent points from all the Militia Nanohives I peppered the battlefield with. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:06:00 -
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Well finaly came up against a good AV and thats The Dark Cloud . Didnt kill me but I think he could have if his team actualy helped him out at all. Only 6 kills that whole game cos he basicly had me suppressed.
Hope yet there is. |
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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:18:00 -
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oneshytalk wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:oneshytalk wrote:@ Ashe kelly.
Yup course they did, they were the only real threat to tanks. What we got now ?, oh yeah grenades. lol. If you can't take a tank down with swarms, you really need to rethink your strategies. Strategies ? Oh yeah. There are 2 strategies. 1. Leave battle so jonny talentless doesn't add you to his ridiculous tally of kills. 2. Get your own tank.
Nevermind that post. You don't seem to have the wits to do it. |
SLEEPY -1
THE RIFFS
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Posted - 2012.08.27 14:02:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Well finaly came up against a good AV and thats The Dark Cloud . Didnt kill me but I think he could have if his team actualy helped him out at all. Only 6 kills that whole game cos he basicly had me suppressed.
Hope yet there is.
still think this now we have spider tanking lol
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