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Aldz D
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:50:00 -
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i feel something should be said and be seen by mindless and ignorant people that still persistently think that this is the 100% complete game of dust 514
as you guys may know this beta has been running for months now,,,as one of the many guys who started playing this game,,,a lot of us were having fun with it,,and a lot dissapointed in the first stages,,some of you may have started to play the beta just now or played it on its 2nd stage, but the people ranting and talking like this is the full representation of the game drive me nuts as a ps3 gamer,an fps norm, this game from the starting stages till now,,,has improved vastly on its previous stages,,,
and i may agree that there are still some problems and stuff that need fixing in the game but the main point is what a potential of this freetoplay game is
i have seen the era of shooters lately,,,,,,on the pc side,,,,,a lot are drastically improving and etc. on the console side with the exception of first person story games(portal 2.mirrors edge,bioshock) a lot are just about beating cod or copying it(even halo 4 is getting some fundamentals of cod on it already)
i have seen a lot of bitching,whining saying this is like a ps1 game graphics suck,that it is too gray,too clunky,too glitchy,etc compared to their ideal shooters i have one question for you
Have you ever played the BF3 beta? and why there is no Halo 4,Black ops 2? or even a MOHW Beta?
exactly...as much as you like bitching about this game CCP is actually improving this game bit by bit...
a promise of fixes,balancing, no 2nd chance and no bullcrap in mw3 they give you deadmans hand now BOPS2 has see thru walls
a promise that BF3 will have no subscriptions and will not be or copy call of duty they gave you Battlefield Premium and CQC maps and Arms Race?
a promise that HALO 4 will not be COD and will always be true to its roots,, they just added some COD elements into it
and the BF3 beta was already on its finishing stage,,,while dust beta is on its closed alpha beta stages -_-
and why no halo 4 beta? black ops 2 beta? and you talk crap about this game? FAIL |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:54:00 -
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Lol because the other developers design their engine once and they copy paste it over and over renaming the game. They just add updated graphics that's all and some new weapons.
CCP is designing this ground up. |
Aldz D
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:58:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Lol because the other developers design their engine once and they copy paste it over and over renaming the game. They just add updated graphics that's all and some new weapons.
CCP is designing this ground up.
exactly,,,,,,,well can't blame CCP though...it is the first MMOFPS on the PS3 and the whiners think that this is just a :release-buy-play-whine-patch type of ordeal |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:01:00 -
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N4G comments? |
Omnipotent lilmamaj
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:03:00 -
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Been said thousands of times... You just stretched it into uselessness. We are obviously going to complain about problems in the game. I believe it's called feedback. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:05:00 -
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People are moaning because dust is supposed to be a fps with a difference but the fps is part still seems to be lacking and as of yet it dosn't offer much of a difference to anything out there except the potential of a long grind.
And as it's beta why aren't the devs giving us weekly feedback on our comments and input? and also with the way it is set up we are limited to what we can test .
Now the fans can flame away but the longer I test the more short comings I can see , at the moment I cant see this game holding your average console players attention for verry long .
Thats my opinion and a couple of my friends who I may add have work and family's with limited game time. |
Lassa Blake
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:14:00 -
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I played BF3 beta, and ppl talking about broken core mechanics on DUST should had given it a try I got the game anyway 2 months after release (with some doubts, after playing the beta) and it was like a whole diferent game, so ppl, get calm, relax, and if you don't like the game, GTFO, chances are, when the game goes gold, you're gonna like it, so stop bitchin around. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:25:00 -
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Never mind. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:41:00 -
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Lassa Blake wrote:I played BF3 beta, and ppl talking about broken core mechanics on DUST should had given it a try I got the game anyway 2 months after release (with some doubts, after playing the beta) and it was like a whole diferent game, so ppl, get calm, relax, and if you don't like the game, GTFO, chances are, when the game goes gold, you're gonna like it, so stop bitchin around.
I'm entitled to ***** as you put it and bf3 beta was actually no better than the released game with just as many bugs and issuses still unsorted.
Also if people like me gtfo as you also say how are ccp supposed to be informed all is not well and things need changeing and looking into.
Saying yes and going on how great it is will not sort out problems a bit of objectivity will do more good than sucking up to them |
Ire's thug
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
272
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:48:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Been said thousands of times... You just stretched it into uselessness. We are obviously going to complain about problems in the game. I believe it's called feedback.
DING! We have a winner! Jezuz people! For the love of god use the search function on the forums before this redundent topic kills us all! |
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Lassa Blake
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:03:00 -
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Quote:I'm entitled to ***** as you put it and bf3 beta was actually no better than the released game with just as many bugs and issuses still unsorted.
Also if people like me gtfo as you also say how are ccp supposed to be informed all is not well and things need changeing and looking into.
Saying yes and going on how great it is will not sort out problems a bit of objectivity will do more good than sucking up to them
You missunderstood me completely, I'm talking about ppl who says "This is broken blah blah blah my heart hurst so much blah blah blah, if you don't fix it i'm out blah blah blah cuz i'm so pro at [insert game here or just use MAG as wildcard] that i must be right" thats not feedback (maybe if u dig a little there is some, but objetivity my ass, thats a spoiled child in action, theres a forum section about bugs, you can put there what you think its broken and maybe how bad you feel about it, but anything else is just useless bitchin.
Proof about bitchin is how most of this "bugs, wrong mechanics" are posted on general, with ppl whining about OP this, OP that, but don't offer any good alternative, it's almost like politics, the oposition don't like anything the goverment does, but doesn't offer any realistic alternative. An example are tank mechanics, some ppl says they are too expensive, some that they are too powerfull, maybe they want 20k isk tanks that gets alphaed by a basic forge gun, but whats the point of that if then i can do better with my jack of all trades assault?
Plus ppl don't like to use the search tool (and i don't think they will ever do), so the forum is full of the same whining threads with diferent titles.
TL;DR: Theres a diference between feedback and whining, and everyone with common sense should know it.
PD: the whole post looks like whining, i know, so don't comment it xD (Oh the irony ) PD2: bf 3 beta wasn't even playable in the early stages, i know the game is full of bugs, but at least you can do something similar to PLAY it. Note: im not a native english speaker (as you will probably notice) so... i hope the post is undestable. |
Aijul
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
55
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:04:00 -
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For a game releasing sometime in 2012, a beta shouldn't have this many bugs and game breaking issues. I don't care if it's free or if it's $60, another year of development won't hurt. It's also not feature complete, but since it's an MMO with the majority of core mechanics implemented in some form, it's somewhat excusable.
This late in development, the game should not have such frequent fatal errors such as a moderate chance of hard freezing or lockups during normal operation, let alone the disconnection errors. This alone is unacceptable in my opinion. It's more of a playable Alpha, and I seriously wish the game launched in mid/late 2013 than 2012. It's just not ready yet. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:12:00 -
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what engine is DUST 514 running on? |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:16:00 -
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Aijul wrote:For a game releasing sometime in 2012, a beta shouldn't have this many bugs and game breaking issues. I don't care if it's free or if it's $60, another year of development won't hurt. It's also not feature complete, but since it's an MMO with the majority of core mechanics implemented in some form, it's somewhat excusable.
This late in development, the game should not have such frequent fatal errors such as a moderate chance of hard freezing or lockups during normal operation, let alone the disconnection errors. This alone is unacceptable in my opinion. It's more of a playable Alpha, and I seriously wish the game launched in mid/late 2013 than 2012. It's just not ready yet.
BF3 beta froze all the time and had disconnection errors. The last time i played it it still had disconnection errors... |
Lassa Blake
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:16:00 -
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4447 wrote:what engine is DUST 514 running on?
unreal engine 3, CCP has an engine of it's own, but they didn't use it. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:27:00 -
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First build beta, I was like, eh... Second build, I was like, Hmmm..they're up to something. Third wave, was the E3 build. Wow. Fourth build. It's getting better.
We haven't seen other stuff in the game. Like the suits, weapons, lasers, installation, and so on. Every time they update the build, the looks of the game changes. So far, the map is bigger than it was use to be. The first build, they have this game mode that you have to secure A and B to unlock C. Secure it so that your MCC can dock into the base.
The beta might take awhile. Assuming the release game will be end of this year. It seems like it, because there are so much that we haven't seen for Dust. |
NEPHILIM Fallen Angel
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:30:00 -
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Aldz D wrote:i feel something should be said and be seen by mindless and ignorant people that still persistently think that this is the 100% complete game of dust 514 as you guys may know this beta has been running for months now,,,as one of the many guys who started playing this game,,,a lot of us were having fun with it,,and a lot dissapointed in the first stages,,some of you may have started to play the beta just now or played it on its 2nd stage, but the people ranting and talking like this is the full representation of the game drive me nuts as a ps3 gamer,an fps norm, this game from the starting stages till now,,,has improved vastly on its previous stages,,, and i may agree that there are still some problems and stuff that need fixing in the game but the main point is what a potential of this freetoplay game is i have seen the era of shooters lately,,,,,,on the pc side,,,,,a lot are drastically improving and etc. on the console side with the exception of first person story games(portal 2.mirrors edge,bioshock) a lot are just about beating cod or copying it(even halo 4 is getting some fundamentals of cod on it already) i have seen a lot of bitching,whining saying this is like a ps1 game graphics suck,that it is too gray,too clunky,too glitchy,etc compared to their ideal shooters i have one question for you Have you ever played the BF3 beta? and why there is no Halo 4,Black ops 2? or even a MOHW Beta? exactly...as much as you like bitching about this game CCP is actually improving this game bit by bit... a promise of fixes,balancing, no 2nd chance and no bullcrap in mw3 they give you deadmans hand now BOPS2 has see thru walls a promise that BF3 will have no subscriptions and will not be or copy call of duty they gave you Battlefield Premium and CQC maps and Arms Race? a promise that HALO 4 will not be COD and will always be true to its roots,, they just added some COD elements into it and the BF3 beta was already on its finishing stage,,,while dust beta is on its closed alpha beta stages -_- and why no halo 4 beta? black ops 2 beta? and you talk crap about this game? FAIL very well put. I just got the beta three days ago, knowing full well what it is. Its a beta. And I feel fortunate to be among the few that , as well as myself, that get a chance to shape a game before its release. I love it! Even with its bugs glitches. But thats what this forum is for. And I am very excited to see the finished product\m/
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Peter Hanther
Dead Six Initiative
39
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:10:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Lol because the other developers design their engine once and they copy paste it over and over renaming the game. They just add updated graphics that's all and some new weapons.
CCP is designing this ground up.
Well from the unreal Engine 3 up technically
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Regis Mark V
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:58:00 -
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Building from the ground up with ex-DICE employees who used this same engine! It's been known for a while that they employed them. |
Ves Kytaar
1
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:44:00 -
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There is a difference between feedback, informing them of the bugs, glitches etc. It's a whole other to ***** and moan about a game that is in its Beta stage. Thank you Aldz, and others for taking the words out of my mouth. This is CCPs first FPS. Give them a break, they are working on it. If you don't like dealing with the glitches and bugs get out, that's what a beta is for! Finding the bugs, and then fixing them. |
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gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:46:00 -
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This is beta
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Burger Helper
84
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:49:00 -
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"but it's a beta!" is what is cried during the betas of every failed game. this cycle has repeated itself over and over again.
now, if CCP was really on the ball for this, and had fixed most of the major bugs from the past few builds while introducing new ones, that would be fine, that's the nature of bugchasing.
considering none of the major bugs in the past 5 months have been fixed, i'm very concerned |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.23 10:56:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:Building from the ground up with ex-DICE employees who used this same engine! It's been known for a while that they employed them. don't they use frostbite 2? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:22:00 -
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Burger Helper wrote:"but it's a beta!" is what is cried during the betas of every failed game. this cycle has repeated itself over and over again.
now, if CCP was really on the ball for this, and had fixed most of the major bugs from the past few builds while introducing new ones, that would be fine, that's the nature of bugchasing.
considering none of the major bugs in the past 5 months have been fixed, i'm very concerned Really?
Draw distance: fixed. Hit detection: iterative improvements with each build. Balance issues: constant improvements. Graphics: HUGE improvement over the last build.
What am I missing? |
Tracey Jordan
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:53:00 -
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Aldz D wrote:i feel something should be said and be seen by mindless and ignorant people that still persistently think that this is the 100% complete game of dust 514]
Don't waste your 9th birthday posting on a forum! Go and play outside with the other kids instead.
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Forte Haulerson
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:41:00 -
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I am going to go out on a limb here ... I bet they are using SCRUM /Agile for their developement methodology. If you are not a software developer then that probably makes no sense to you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)
Basicallty, it means they are doing more iterations in smaller increments each time delivering additional value to us the customers. I know CCP uses SCRUM for EVE, it would make sense that they are using it here in DUST... Instead of waiting until the whole thing is almost done, we get small incremental improvements more often...
I beleive because of this, we will see more improvements over a shorter period of time than what we may have seen in other "beta" releases. TBH, most of those other so called beta releases were not software betas at all, but mostly to test their server and networking infrastructure under load and make tweaks to that. The beta software was really just a glorified load test client... By the time those games had reached public beta, it was too late to make any sort of real improvements and hence what we see on release day rarely differs from the open beta...
Having been on this beta since the "Mordu's Private Trials".. it's simply amazing the progress that has been made in such a short period of time and a testament to the developers and the methodology...
What Sprint are you on CCP? What are your SCRUM team names? Anything as entertaining as "Team Superfriends".. ?.. :)
L8r, FH
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Ares Webber
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:48:00 -
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I have been in the BF3 beta and it was buggy as hell, graphical glitches everywhere, disconnects, freezes. And that was in the open beta! Compared to that, Dust 514 is a LOT more stable. Heck i still have so much disconnects in BF3 that is isnt funny anymore... |
Aldz D
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.08.23 22:51:00 -
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Tracey Jordan wrote:Aldz D wrote:i feel something should be said and be seen by mindless and ignorant people that still persistently think that this is the 100% complete game of dust 514] Don't waste your 9th birthday posting on a forum! Go and play outside with the other kids instead.
lmfaoooooo 9th birthday? lmfao......im probably even older than you kid......gtfo troll ........kid? really? im probably even better than you in this game................ |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:54:00 -
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Aldz D wrote:Tracey Jordan wrote:Aldz D wrote:i feel something should be said and be seen by mindless and ignorant people that still persistently think that this is the 100% complete game of dust 514] Don't waste your 9th birthday posting on a forum! Go and play outside with the other kids instead. lmfaoooooo 9th birthday? lmfao......im probably even older than you kid......gtfo troll ........kid? really? im probably even better than you in this game................ HEEP DERP I BETTER THEN YOU!!!
Everyone wants this game to be the one game that saves us from all the mediocrity in fps these days. One game to rule them all.
Some people are just worried.
4 man squads
pay to talk
grind to win
4 man squads
5 months of bugs
bad shooting mechanics
simple corps
4 MAN SQUADS
The writing is on the wall. Beta or not, things aren't looking good for the future of dust when I look in my crystal ball. |
Smokey Killer51
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:00:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Aldz D wrote:Tracey Jordan wrote:Aldz D wrote:i feel something should be said and be seen by mindless and ignorant people that still persistently think that this is the 100% complete game of dust 514] Don't waste your 9th birthday posting on a forum! Go and play outside with the other kids instead. lmfaoooooo 9th birthday? lmfao......im probably even older than you kid......gtfo troll ........kid? really? im probably even better than you in this game................ HEEP DERP I BETTER THEN YOU!!! Everyone wants this game to be the one game that saves us from all the mediocrity in fps these days. One game to rule them all. Some people are just worried. 4 man squads pay to talk grind to win 4 man squads 5 months of bugs bad shooting mechanics simple corps 4 MAN SQUADS The writing is on the wall. Beta or not, things aren't looking good for the future of dust when I look in my crystal ball. sorry but it is actually 5 man squads....so yeah |
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:04:00 -
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Smokey Killer51 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Aldz D wrote:Tracey Jordan wrote:Aldz D wrote:i feel something should be said and be seen by mindless and ignorant people that still persistently think that this is the 100% complete game of dust 514] Don't waste your 9th birthday posting on a forum! Go and play outside with the other kids instead. lmfaoooooo 9th birthday? lmfao......im probably even older than you kid......gtfo troll ........kid? really? im probably even better than you in this game................ HEEP DERP I BETTER THEN YOU!!! Everyone wants this game to be the one game that saves us from all the mediocrity in fps these days. One game to rule them all. Some people are just worried. 4 man squads pay to talk grind to win 4 man squads 5 months of bugs bad shooting mechanics simple corps 4 MAN SQUADS The writing is on the wall. Beta or not, things aren't looking good for the future of dust when I look in my crystal ball. sorry but it is actually 5 man squads....so yeah 5 man squads still suck. I don't know what ccp is thinking.. Maybe they are going to try and charge us for bigger squads down the line... |
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