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CLONE 2774
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.19 06:30:00 -
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Dust 514 will improve over time.This is CCP. Compared to PS2 Dust 514 doesnt even compare.BUT Dust 514 is a game that will be passed on to future playstaions.Planetside 2 has more playercount,Bigger maps,etc. but dust 514 is like eve online.The graphics get better,the game gets bigger, and ALWAYS INPROVES. Eve looks alot better now than back in 2003.When Dust releases thats gonna wrap it up for PS3.But when dust releases on PS4 theres countless opportunities.We can make the maps bigger,the graphics better,the gameplay better, and the battles larger.When dust release on PS4 the game will be significantly improved.PS4 will handle so much more than PS3.Who knows when dust 514 gets on PS4 it might look as real as Frostbite 2.Now this is just for ps4.Wait until PS5,PS6,PS7,.........,... Could you imagine how good the game will be by then.By then it would probably look 25 times better than Planetside 2 and have maybe 5000 vs 5000.This game has all this potential and more.I think Dust 514 and Eve will grow to be the best games in video game history.And To Me.That.Is a Fact.If there ever will be a Planetside 3 it wont have NOTHING on Dust 514 |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.19 07:23:00 -
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Wait until PC as well. and the first expansion for dust 514 is within 6 months of launch where as Planet Side 1 only had TWO expansions over 10 years. we're going get a new expansion EVERY 6 months. |
TheUltima Xtreme
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:36:00 -
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Sorry, but no. That's some incredibly false hope for a console game. It's limited by the console, yes, but it's most definitely not going to be revised as new systems come out. They would need compatibility with the PS3 if it's kept as a platform that the game can operate on. You can say that because they're able to integrate EVE features into Dust, that means that they can, but it's just not going to happen. They would need to recompile every revision to fit the system, thus requiring more man hours, and longer wait times for patches. They'll rely on the single version provided and be thankful the later systems (assuming they come) support PS3 software.
Also, while the PS3 does have an impressive bit of hardware in it, it is still a 7-year-old console, and thus, still has serious limitations. Planetside 2 is capable of the feats it will reach because it is a PC game, and there's a hell of a lot more leniency with PC hardware in general. The PC platform expands day after day, and all of this console hardware sticks as developers do everything in their power to push the limits harder and harder until it'll eventually cause the console to basically combust.
I'm not too sure about a PC release of Dust514, either. While in the current build, it's gotten M+KB support, the game's been largely advertised as the first free-to-play PS3 game. I could see there being a lot better interaction with EVE and Dust players if both were on the PC, but I can see the end result in that EVE players will try to play Dust on the PC and will enjoy it on such a level that they'll not really bother with EVE anymore, CCP will lose profits and the end result could leave the game's interactivity aspect as a mere novelty.
This is some foolhardy speculations for a console shooter. The game is good, but it's not THAT good, and if anything, the general content is all that will get better in the years that Dust514 runs. |
DON RODIE II
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.19 09:17:00 -
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Lol planetside 2 is made by Sony so most likely its gonna end up on ps4, so I don't think dust is better just cause of that. I think dust is better because its deeper and has more to offer than just having good graphics and a ton of players |
Dillan NightStorm
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.08.19 10:40:00 -
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I am playing both. I can tell you right now DUST 514 is a superior game.
While both games have a similar feel to them they are however quite different. While PS2 is a massive game with loads of players fighting on 1 map. Dust is a series of small games being fought on maps intended to be kept small in size, relatively speaking, in order to play a larger part in a single shard server for a game that is bigger than PS1 ever was and continues to pull newer players day by day ever since release.
I seriously doubt however that DUST will be updated in a similar fission to Eve as there are far more complications to doing that on the PS3 than there is on the PC, there may be expansions but I seriously doubt there will be any on a regular basis. |
CLONE 2774
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:14:00 -
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TheUltima Xtreme wrote:Sorry, but no. That's some incredibly false hope for a console game. It's limited by the console, yes, but it's most definitely not going to be revised as new systems come out. They would need compatibility with the PS3 if it's kept as a platform that the game can operate on. You can say that because they're able to integrate EVE features into Dust, that means that they can, but it's just not going to happen. They would need to recompile every revision to fit the system, thus requiring more man hours, and longer wait times for patches. They'll rely on the single version provided and be thankful the later systems (assuming they come) support PS3 software.
Also, while the PS3 does have an impressive bit of hardware in it, it is still a 7-year-old console, and thus, still has serious limitations. Planetside 2 is capable of the feats it will reach because it is a PC game, and there's a hell of a lot more leniency with PC hardware in general. The PC platform expands day after day, and all of this console hardware sticks as developers do everything in their power to push the limits harder and harder until it'll eventually cause the console to basically combust.
I'm not too sure about a PC release of Dust514, either. While in the current build, it's gotten M+KB support, the game's been largely advertised as the first free-to-play PS3 game. I could see there being a lot better interaction with EVE and Dust players if both were on the PC, but I can see the end result in that EVE players will try to play Dust on the PC and will enjoy it on such a level that they'll not really bother with EVE anymore, CCP will lose profits and the end result could leave the game's interactivity aspect as a mere novelty.
This is some foolhardy speculations for a console shooter. The game is good, but it's not THAT good, and if anything, the general content is all that will get better in the years that Dust514 runs. They already said in a interview that they would put it on PS4. |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:46:00 -
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Dust 514 and PlanetSide 2 both have unique features that the other lacks, and will NEVER gain from the other.
Dust 514 offers DEEP customizations, tons of options, THOUSANDS of planets to fight on, set in EVE online and running in real time, etc.
PlanetSide 2 offers INSANE scale, amazing graphics, and ease of accessibility.
Dust 514 and PlanetSie 2 will NEVER compete as long as they're on different platforms, because even with the next-gen consoles, Dust 514 will NEVER be able to offer what PlanetSide 2 can in-terms of scale of battles and graphics on high-end PCs. Consoles go forward one step, PCs go forward 5 steps. And PlanetSide 2 will never beat Dust 514 when it comes to the MMO features taken from EVE Online, and being set into that universe.
If Dust 514 goes on PC, that changes EVERYTHING...Dust 514 in my opinion would S H I T all over PlanetSide 2 with all the possibilities that PCs offer. |
Gilden Rah
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:50:00 -
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TheUltima Xtreme wrote:Sorry, but no. That's some incredibly false hope for a console game. It's limited by the console, yes, but it's most definitely not going to be revised as new systems come out. They would need compatibility with the PS3 if it's kept as a platform that the game can operate on. You can say that because they're able to integrate EVE features into Dust, that means that they can, but it's just not going to happen. They would need to recompile every revision to fit the system, thus requiring more man hours, and longer wait times for patches. They'll rely on the single version provided and be thankful the later systems (assuming they come) support PS3 software.
Also, while the PS3 does have an impressive bit of hardware in it, it is still a 7-year-old console, and thus, still has serious limitations. Planetside 2 is capable of the feats it will reach because it is a PC game, and there's a hell of a lot more leniency with PC hardware in general. The PC platform expands day after day, and all of this console hardware sticks as developers do everything in their power to push the limits harder and harder until it'll eventually cause the console to basically combust.
I'm not too sure about a PC release of Dust514, either. While in the current build, it's gotten M+KB support, the game's been largely advertised as the first free-to-play PS3 game. I could see there being a lot better interaction with EVE and Dust players if both were on the PC, but I can see the end result in that EVE players will try to play Dust on the PC and will enjoy it on such a level that they'll not really bother with EVE anymore, CCP will lose profits and the end result could leave the game's interactivity aspect as a mere novelty.
This is some foolhardy speculations for a console shooter. The game is good, but it's not THAT good, and if anything, the general content is all that will get better in the years that Dust514 runs.
I'm pretty sure they could use the same engine on both consoles simultaneously while improving the quality of the graphics for the PS4. The Unreal engine can look amazing if the system can handle it. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:51:00 -
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can't say for certain myself.. planetside 1 was epic as all hell in 2004.. haven't tried 2 yet, i no longer have the rig for it
i wasnt impressed by what i read of PS2 going to having cookie cutter fits more so than 1, seems like they're selling out on that to me to appeal to the masses who are used to cookie cutter role games
also being an ex-SWG player I'm not too fond of SOE..
also ppl were running hacks in PS1 like to improve the accuracy on the auto cannons |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:14:00 -
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PS2 is a remake btw not a real sequel.
Also they stole all the cod perks for traits in ps2. |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Wait until PC as well. and the first expansion for dust 514 is within 6 months of launch where as Planet Side 1 only had TWO expansions over 10 years. we're going get a new expansion EVERY 6 months. Again, why is everyone so convinced that a PC port has to happen? |
DON RODIE II
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:26:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:Dust 514 and PlanetSide 2 both have unique features that the other lacks, and will NEVER gain from the other.
Dust 514 offers DEEP customizations, tons of options, THOUSANDS of planets to fight on, set in EVE online and running in real time, etc.
PlanetSide 2 offers INSANE scale, amazing graphics, and ease of accessibility.
Dust 514 and PlanetSie 2 will NEVER compete as long as they're on different platforms, because even with the next-gen consoles, Dust 514 will NEVER be able to offer what PlanetSide 2 can in-terms of scale of battles and graphics on high-end PCs. Consoles go forward one step, PCs go forward 5 steps. And PlanetSide 2 will never beat Dust 514 when it comes to the MMO features taken from EVE Online, and being set into that universe.
If Dust 514 goes on PC, that changes EVERYTHING...Dust 514 in my opinion would S H I T all over PlanetSide 2 with all the possibilities that PCs offer.
If Dust 514 was pc only. It wouldn't have as big of a audience they about to get. While planetside will have these large scale battles. More people will be playing Dust than planetside 2, I garentee you. More people have ps3 than a pc with amazing graphics. CCP smart, if they do it right, they will be more popular than planetside and the better game. Anyway it go, the EVE/Dust community is going to crush planetside 2 community in terms of numbers of people. They should of waited to ps4 to bring out planetside 2 on both ps4 and pc. That would of made they community triple. I think CCP is doing it the smarter way. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:39:00 -
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Dust514 will eventually be better than Planetside 2 because SOE will ruin the game within 6-8 months of launch. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:41:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Dust514 will eventually be better than Planetside 2 because SOE will ruin the game within 6-8 months of launch.
can't disagree with this.. SOE is unfortunately has good devs but is ruined by the marketing suits who won't let them have any creative control all imo of course |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:25:00 -
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DON RODIE II wrote:If Dust 514 was pc only. It wouldn't have as big of a audience they about to get. While planetside will have these large scale battles. More people will be playing Dust than planetside 2, I garentee you. More people have ps3 than a pc with amazing graphics. CCP smart, if they do it right, they will be more popular than planetside and the better game. Anyway it go, the EVE/Dust community is going to crush planetside 2 community in terms of numbers of people. They should of waited to ps4 to bring out planetside 2 on both ps4 and pc. That would of made they community triple. I think CCP is doing it the smarter way.
Thats true, Dust 514 will have a HUGE audience at launch, but I can guarantee you that it WILL FAIL on the PS3, just because of the lack of a dedicated and hardcore audience. Dust 514 will be the new MAG, only a few people will appreciate such a hardcore, objective and team play based game. This is where the PC wins, there are way way more dedicated hardcore fans on PC that like this kind of game. But on Consoles, people just want those plug and play, Run-n-Gun noob friendly experiences like CoD and what Battlefield have become.
I still hope that I'm wrong, and hope the best for Dust 514 because I see lots of effort put into this game.
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JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:04:00 -
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CLONE 2774 wrote:Dust 514 will improve over time.This is CCP. Compared to PS2 Dust 514 doesnt even compare.BUT Dust 514 is a game that will be passed on to future playstaions.Planetside 2 has more playercount,Bigger maps,etc. but dust 514 is like eve online.The graphics get better,the game gets bigger, and ALWAYS INPROVES. Eve looks alot better now than back in 2003.When Dust releases thats gonna wrap it up for PS3.But when dust releases on PS4 theres countless opportunities.We can make the maps bigger,the graphics better,the gameplay better, and the battles larger.When dust release on PS4 the game will be significantly improved.PS4 will handle so much more than PS3.Who knows when dust 514 gets on PS4 it might look as real as Frostbite 2.Now this is just for ps4.Wait until PS5,PS6,PS7,.........,... Could you imagine how good the game will be by then.By then it would probably look 25 times better than Planetside 2 and have maybe 5000 vs 5000.This game has all this potential and more.I think Dust 514 and Eve will grow to be the best games in video game history.And To Me.That.Is a Fact.If there ever will be a Planetside 3 it wont have NOTHING on Dust 514
Let me get this straight. Dust will be better than a game that is its current market competitor because it will eventually outlast a game with a 2-5 year life cycle? So DUST will eventually be the better game in 5 years? Wow. Even if that was the case, a game not to turn a profit in that long is considered a flop. Who are we kidding though, planetside and a great many other games will have multiple releases by that time.
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Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:04:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:DON RODIE II wrote:If Dust 514 was pc only. It wouldn't have as big of a audience they about to get. While planetside will have these large scale battles. More people will be playing Dust than planetside 2, I garentee you. More people have ps3 than a pc with amazing graphics. CCP smart, if they do it right, they will be more popular than planetside and the better game. Anyway it go, the EVE/Dust community is going to crush planetside 2 community in terms of numbers of people. They should of waited to ps4 to bring out planetside 2 on both ps4 and pc. That would of made they community triple. I think CCP is doing it the smarter way. Thats true, Dust 514 will have a HUGE audience at launch, but I can guarantee you that it WILL FAIL on the PS3, just because of the lack of a dedicated and hardcore audience. Dust 514 will be the new MAG, only a few people will appreciate such a hardcore, objective and team play based game. This is where the PC wins, there are way way more dedicated hardcore fans on PC that like this kind of game. But on Consoles, people just want those plug and play, Run-n-Gun noob friendly experiences like CoD and what Battlefield have become. I still hope that I'm wrong, and hope the best for Dust 514 because I see lots of effort put into this game. You speak the truth!! |
BlacMage
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:13:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:DON RODIE II wrote:If Dust 514 was pc only. It wouldn't have as big of a audience they about to get. While planetside will have these large scale battles. More people will be playing Dust than planetside 2, I garentee you. More people have ps3 than a pc with amazing graphics. CCP smart, if they do it right, they will be more popular than planetside and the better game. Anyway it go, the EVE/Dust community is going to crush planetside 2 community in terms of numbers of people. They should of waited to ps4 to bring out planetside 2 on both ps4 and pc. That would of made they community triple. I think CCP is doing it the smarter way. Thats true, Dust 514 will have a HUGE audience at launch, but I can guarantee you that it WILL FAIL on the PS3, just because of the lack of a dedicated and hardcore audience. Dust 514 will be the new MAG, only a few people will appreciate such a hardcore, objective and team play based game. This is where the PC wins, there are way way more dedicated hardcore fans on PC that like this kind of game. But on Consoles, people just want those plug and play, Run-n-Gun noob friendly experiences like CoD and what Battlefield have become. I still hope that I'm wrong, and hope the best for Dust 514 because I see lots of effort put into this game.
Thats how EVE did it and it has outlasted every MMORPG on the market thus far...I would wait and see... Small dedicated fan base may be all they need... |
Ziggie Smalls
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:20:00 -
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TheUltima Xtreme wrote:Sorry, but no. That's some incredibly false hope for a console game. It's limited by the console, yes, but it's most definitely not going to be revised as new systems come out.
People said this about EVE in 2003. Then CCP developed Carbon years later... |
Finde R
Formosa Research Center Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:51:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Wait until PC as well. and the first expansion for dust 514 is within 6 months of launch where as Planet Side 1 only had TWO expansions over 10 years. we're going get a new expansion EVERY 6 months. Again, why is everyone so convinced that a PC port has to happen?
The information about PC version is not strictly regulated. If you can read Chinese, you will find it easily. All China CCP's fault. |
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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.20 09:25:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:DON RODIE II wrote:If Dust 514 was pc only. It wouldn't have as big of a audience they about to get. While planetside will have these large scale battles. More people will be playing Dust than planetside 2, I garentee you. More people have ps3 than a pc with amazing graphics. CCP smart, if they do it right, they will be more popular than planetside and the better game. Anyway it go, the EVE/Dust community is going to crush planetside 2 community in terms of numbers of people. They should of waited to ps4 to bring out planetside 2 on both ps4 and pc. That would of made they community triple. I think CCP is doing it the smarter way. Thats true, Dust 514 will have a HUGE audience at launch, but I can guarantee you that it WILL FAIL on the PS3, just because of the lack of a dedicated and hardcore audience. Dust 514 will be the new MAG, only a few people will appreciate such a hardcore, objective and team play based game. This is where the PC wins, there are way way more dedicated hardcore fans on PC that like this kind of game. But on Consoles, people just want those plug and play, Run-n-Gun noob friendly experiences like CoD and what Battlefield have become. I still hope that I'm wrong, and hope the best for Dust 514 because I see lots of effort put into this game.
hardcore gamers are only on pc? you make me laugh. consoles rule the pc market we see it time and time again also pc will be obsolete in the future because of cloud gaming and there won't be this war against the consoles. |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:52:00 -
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4447 wrote:hardcore gamers are only on pc? you make me laugh. consoles rule the pc market we see it time and time again also pc will be obsolete in the future because of cloud gaming and there won't be this war against the consoles.
I did NOT say hardcore gamers are only on PC, read my post again...I said there are a few hardcore dedicated fans on the consoles compared to the so many on PC.
Also, PC will NEVER be obsolete, as long as games are being DEVELOPED on PCs...LOL...PC will always be the ruling platform...And no, I'm not a PC fanboy, and I don't even have a gaming PC right now, all I've for gaming is a PS3. But planning on going to PC again like I used to 3 years. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:41:00 -
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SuperMido wrote:4447 wrote:hardcore gamers are only on pc? you make me laugh. consoles rule the pc market we see it time and time again also pc will be obsolete in the future because of cloud gaming and there won't be this war against the consoles. I did NOT say hardcore gamers are only on PC, read my post again...I said there are a few hardcore dedicated fans on the consoles compared to the so many on PC. Also, PC will NEVER be obsolete, as long as games are being DEVELOPED on PCs...LOL...PC will always be the ruling platform...And no, I'm not a PC fanboy, and I don't even have a gaming PC right now, all I've for gaming is a PS3. But planning on going to PC again like I used to 3 years.
pc gaming will be obsolete because of cloud gaming read up about. |
smartlayer
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:56:00 -
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Played planetside since 2003 with a few interuption of only a few months, then, o can say that i played planetside 8 years+ (Zothike TR Werner > Gemini - Frangine (br20 with only 1kill total... was full support) ) i loved this game continuously (but left when they offered the free trial "reserve program" because cheating was no more under control then when they stopped free trial i came back )
what is was really hating in this game were :
-the lack of real end goal, which made ppl not really working as team / following the cr5 recommandation -the lack of responsibility with no real death penalty, it was making me sick to see ppl dying 10 time in a row, doing the same stupid action, and eventually making others dying with them (opening doors of towers camped by vanguard's anyone ?) -the fact that anybody was able to become cr5 (biggest ''commander" rank) and then were giving orders, sometime (often) ******** or "personnal agenda" oriented
All that will be in ps2 too, not in dust514 or at list not viable for long
That why i will prolly not play ps2 and i bought a playstation 3 exclusivly for dust ( waiting the possibility to bind keyboard/mouse key still ^^) |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:19:00 -
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CLONE 2774 wrote:Dust 514 will improve over time.This is CCP. Compared to PS2 Dust 514 doesnt even compare.BUT Dust 514 is a game that will be passed on to future playstaions.Planetside 2 has more playercount,Bigger maps,etc. but dust 514 is like eve online.The graphics get better,the game gets bigger, and ALWAYS INPROVES. Eve looks alot better now than back in 2003.When Dust releases thats gonna wrap it up for PS3.But when dust releases on PS4 theres countless opportunities.We can make the maps bigger,the graphics better,the gameplay better, and the battles larger.When dust release on PS4 the game will be significantly improved.PS4 will handle so much more than PS3.Who knows when dust 514 gets on PS4 it might look as real as Frostbite 2.Now this is just for ps4.Wait until PS5,PS6,PS7,.........,... Could you imagine how good the game will be by then.By then it would probably look 25 times better than Planetside 2 and have maybe 5000 vs 5000.This game has all this potential and more.I think Dust 514 and Eve will grow to be the best games in video game history.And To Me.That.Is a Fact.If there ever will be a Planetside 3 it wont have NOTHING on Dust 514
Dust has depth. Planetside has larger battles on a pc. Eh...it's a wash. |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:29:00 -
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I refuse to compare two epic sci-fi games because they are completely different.
End of story. |
DON RODIE II
Deep Space Republic
168
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:36:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:I refuse to compare two epic sci-fi games because they are completely different.
End of story.
lol |
Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:56:00 -
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The games can't be compared. End of line. It's like comparing EVE Online to Freelancer.
"Don't compare apples and pears. Maybe they are both sweet juicy and grow on trees but they are still completely different and just a matter of personal taste." |
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